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Kantiz
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 Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:12 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Are there any deaths that have been scientifically attributed to smoking? I know a lot of people say "smoking killed him" and stuff but has an official cause of death ever been attributed to smoking? |
Smoking causes lung cancer, lung cancer kills a lot of people.
Unless you're attempting to be the typical assclown in your statement, as in, has anyone ever stabbed anyone with a cigarette, or has a cigarette ever pulled the trigger of a .9mm on someone =/
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:17 Post subject:
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| Kantiz wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Are there any deaths that have been scientifically attributed to smoking? I know a lot of people say "smoking killed him" and stuff but has an official cause of death ever been attributed to smoking? |
Smoking causes lung cancer, lung cancer kills a lot of people.
Unless you're attempting to be the typical assclown in your statement, as in, has anyone ever stabbed anyone with a cigarette, or has a cigarette ever pulled the trigger of a .9mm on someone =/ |
No, I lung cancer is statistically associated with smoking. I'm not trying to say that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer (as many of you will inevitably infer because you're idiots). I'm asking if any single cases have been attributed to smoking. i.e. John's official cause of death was lung cancer which was brought about by smoking.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Kantiz wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Are there any deaths that have been scientifically attributed to smoking? I know a lot of people say "smoking killed him" and stuff but has an official cause of death ever been attributed to smoking? |
Smoking causes lung cancer, lung cancer kills a lot of people.
Unless you're attempting to be the typical assclown in your statement, as in, has anyone ever stabbed anyone with a cigarette, or has a cigarette ever pulled the trigger of a .9mm on someone =/ |
No, I lung cancer is statistically associated with smoking. I'm not trying to say that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer (as many of you will inevitably infer because you're idiots). I'm asking if any single cases have been attributed to smoking. i.e. John's official cause of death was lung cancer which was brought about by smoking. |
No, and I don't think you will find any either.
It's the scientific community's way of saying something without backing themselves into a hole in case one day they are proven wrong
-Nah-
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Spitulski
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:22 Post subject:
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First of all, I'm Spitulski, not Spink.
| WheresNWS wrote: | | Are there any deaths that have been scientifically attributed to smoking? I know a lot of people say "smoking killed him" and stuff but has an official cause of death ever been attributed to smoking? |
Did you mean pot or cigarette smoke? I'm assuming pot as there's been a boatload of cigarette-related cases. With marijuana, there hasn't been a single case where it has been scientifically attributed to smoking. There have been numerous cases where smoking marijuana and then, say, driving has lead to reduced reflexes and decision-making skills that have resulted in a deadly accident of course. Smoking and driving isn't the best idea in the world.
| Quote: | | Do you think one cigarette a day would kill someone? Don't confuse the habit with the drug, you better believe those with expensive pot habits are feeling pretty bad too. |
I honestly think a cigarette a day for a few years could have the chance to kill someone, but I don't have anything to back that up. If I did, I think that would put into sharp relief the difference between marijuana and cigarettes.
| Quote: | | I mentioned just one substance (completely off the top of my head), for which the concentration was 50% more. There are about 50 substances in all. Don't forget, there are over 400 substances in marijuana smoke. Chemistry is a wonderful thing. |
Chemistry is indeed a wonderful thing. Substance is different than chemical - Benzpyrene, for example, is a chemical combination of 22 different molecules in a hexapyramidal chain. THC-delta-9, the most active THC chemical, is comprised of well over 40 (forgot the exact number) different substances. The cannibinoid component of marijuana is over 100 of those substances found, as there are about two dozen different cannibinoids in pot. Out of those two dozen, only 4 are effective and those are the cannibinoids that have bonded with water molecules, making them immune to water dispersal and thus get the prefix tetra-hydro.
| Quote: | | And how close do you want to be to a burning forest? Plenty of natural events out there are not healthy to the human body. |
And that actually wasn't my point to that statement. In the aim of healthier smoking, vaporization produces no ignitive byproducts and thus smoking bud through a vaporizer has 0% benzpyrene. Cigarettes will still release immense amounts of toxins, including arsenic, cyanide, butanol, etc even when vaporized. Also, nicotine does not vaporize nearly as well as THC does so vaporization is a pretty ineffective method to smoking a cigarette.
| Quote: | | Most people who smoke pot also smoke tobacco. You can see the problem this would have in calculating 'smoking related' deaths. |
I can't, really. If 100% of the population that smokes only marijuana doesn't suffer a single death, that's pretty substantial proof right there. Since you originally chided me for voicing my opinion on a topic of cigarettes despite being a pot smoker, I can now see where you got that idea from. I hate cigarettes and wouldn't fall into the "also smoke tobacco" category. I do love cigars though, but that's another topic entirely.
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Breeze
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:23 Post subject:
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This is starting to sound like a "Truth" commercial. I hate those commercials. A damn 12 year old stabbing a fake baby that looks real with a knife shaped like a cigarette and asking passer-byers how they feel about it,...
That same 12 year old will be posing for Crackwhore magazine smoking a cigarette out of every orifice they have and shooting up heroine on the cover in 8 years.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:23 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Kantiz wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Are there any deaths that have been scientifically attributed to smoking? I know a lot of people say "smoking killed him" and stuff but has an official cause of death ever been attributed to smoking? |
Smoking causes lung cancer, lung cancer kills a lot of people.
Unless you're attempting to be the typical assclown in your statement, as in, has anyone ever stabbed anyone with a cigarette, or has a cigarette ever pulled the trigger of a .9mm on someone =/ |
No, I lung cancer is statistically associated with smoking. I'm not trying to say that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer (as many of you will inevitably infer because you're idiots). I'm asking if any single cases have been attributed to smoking. i.e. John's official cause of death was lung cancer which was brought about by smoking. |
No, and I don't think you will find any either.
It's the scientific community's way of saying something without backing themselves into a hole in case one day they are proven wrong
-Nah- |
Uh...no it's not. It's the way epidemiology works.
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Spitulski
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:26 Post subject:
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| Breeze wrote: | This is starting to sound like a "Truth" commercial. I hate those commercials. A damn 12 year old stabbing a fake baby that looks real with a knife shaped like a cigarette and asking passer-byers how they feel about it,...
That same 12 year old will be posing for Crackwhore magazine smoking a cigarette out of every orifice they have and shooting up heroine on the cover in 8 years. |
Yeah, except the truth commericials would have you believe
-the 12 year old is buying pot from a guy that's sending that money directly back to Azerbajnacrapistan to buy missles to blow up America
-that 1 in 3 people involved in an accident tested positive for marijuana, meaning that they were smoking pot at the time of the accident and not that they might have been smoking or been around pot smoke in the last 30-40 days.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:32 Post subject:
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| Spitulski wrote: | | Breeze wrote: | This is starting to sound like a "Truth" commercial. I hate those commercials. A damn 12 year old stabbing a fake baby that looks real with a knife shaped like a cigarette and asking passer-byers how they feel about it,...
That same 12 year old will be posing for Crackwhore magazine smoking a cigarette out of every orifice they have and shooting up heroine on the cover in 8 years. |
Yeah, except the truth commericials would have you believe
-the 12 year old is buying pot from a guy that's sending that money directly back to Azerbajnacrapistan to buy missles to blow up America
-that 1 in 3 people involved in an accident tested positive for marijuana, meaning that they were smoking pot at the time of the accident and not that they might have been smoking or been around pot smoke in the last 30-40 days. |
"Truth" commercials are anti-tobacco ads, not pot.
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Spitulski
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Posted: 12/08/03 - 16:36 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Spitulski wrote: | | Breeze wrote: | This is starting to sound like a "Truth" commercial. I hate those commercials. A damn 12 year old stabbing a fake baby that looks real with a knife shaped like a cigarette and asking passer-byers how they feel about it,...
That same 12 year old will be posing for Crackwhore magazine smoking a cigarette out of every orifice they have and shooting up heroine on the cover in 8 years. |
Yeah, except the truth commericials would have you believe
-the 12 year old is buying pot from a guy that's sending that money directly back to Azerbajnacrapistan to buy missles to blow up America
-that 1 in 3 people involved in an accident tested positive for marijuana, meaning that they were smoking pot at the time of the accident and not that they might have been smoking or been around pot smoke in the last 30-40 days. |
"Truth" commercials are anti-tobacco ads, not pot. |
My bad...tried finding the actual name I was looking for but I was referring to those commercials sponsored by some agency/company that makes those insinuations.
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