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Goraz
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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 Posted: 02/14/03 - 12:00 Post subject:
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Crackr your argument sucks. Shut up before you get even further owned.
EQ is about the virtual penis. Thats a large aspect. Look at DAoC, do items sell for hundreds of dollars on playerauctions.com? NO. I wlil agree that the social part plays a big role in the popularity of the game but its the loot that keep people glued to their ass and the screen.
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Ynih Yllems
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Joined: 09 Dec 2002
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 12:55 Post subject:
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Interesting discussions so far 
My opinion is that, yes EQ is about the virtual penis (I like to call it pride), but then everything in life is about pride to one extent or the other.
However, it is, at the very same time, about alot of other things, and just like pride, you'll find these things IRL as well. The two other things that keep me playing (and enjoying) the game are personal and group accomplishments and the friendships I have made.
The first of those can once again be related to the virtual penis thing in that it's pride that often times drives a group to stick out a situation gone bad to try and win the battle (vice just the evac/run to zone out). After having won some battles that looked hopeless in the onset, I personally have a good feeling of self and group worth.
Friends; yes you don't need EQ to talk to your virtual world friends. However, do you really need football and **** to have beer drinking buddies? No, you don't, but don't it make it alot more fun? Also, it's alot more fun to group/raid with the friends than chat with them with some other medium due to the fact that you are constantly being fed with more stuff to talk about, be it GC, some piece of loot, or some d*****s in OOC.
So, ya the game is about lewt. It's also about pride and friends. Just depends on where you place your priorities what the game means to you. As far as the majority of the pre-kunark people that have quit the game, my personal opinion is that they put the lewts higher on the priority list than the other two, and thus burned out.
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Crackr
Luke Warm
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
Posts: 175
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 14:09 Post subject:
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Aww, Goraz, you going to tell me "to go away and never come back" again? Your constant spouting of this phrase is really lame. Further owned? Yeah, in what world? Minion's (and your) view of EQ is an opinion. Understand, Goraz, quoting a book for middle school grammer class, hardly means I got owned.
Ynih, can you say hypocrite? Oh, let's see there used to be a guild called Reckoning of Honor. And one day, you said something to the effect that you "RoH is doing great, and you don't need me anymore. I'm going to go to another guild where my help is needed." b******t, we all saw your "I'm interested in joining you" post, and "whatever Timmy has said about me isn't true." We both know what guild application that was for.
So shut the f**k about friendships.
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Goraz
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Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 14:43 Post subject:
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quoting from middle school grammar book? have you even gotten that far in your education yet?
stupid f**k.
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Ynih Yllems
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 15:10 Post subject:
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If you read my post, I said it was a mix of all 3 the things I listed. The one thing that gives me the most pleasure is that sense of accomplishment part. I didn't join MoKB because I wanted more pretty pixels. I went to them to move on and accomplish more things in this game. I still talk to alot of people that were in RoH and consider them friends.
Like I said before, it's how you prioritise the three elements that shapes the game for you individually. RoH was a great guild and I had some great friends there. But they (as a whole) didn't care to move forward, or didn't want to put the effort forward to do so. That was 9 months ago (I'm flattered you remembered a post I made that long ago) and the people that were 55 then, are now 57.
I moved on. I didn't make any claims to be doing anything but that when I left. I'm sorry that I left you behind, I'm assuming you were in RoH since that drama queen Binteny posted a link to that post on the RoH boards.
BTW, if you wanna slam me for my actions, at least have the balls to quit hiding behind a name that doesn't match your EQ name...may as well just be anon posting.
Bottom line, quit bein a crybaby b***h and talk to me in game if you have sore feelings because you are still doing fear raids.
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Crackr
Luke Warm
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
Posts: 175
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 16:41 Post subject:
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Aww, that was so cute Ynih. Now let's play Minion here and tell you where you are wrong.
Your reason for leaving was for "more pretty pixels" don't lie. You even posted that.
I think you may want to send a tell to some of your "friends" because a lot of them are no longer even in their 50s. Pretty updated aren't ya?
My avatar's name is my decision. You think I'm hiding behind it? Wow, let me grovel before your might. I don't use my EQ name so I can keep scum that occasionaly post here (like person above) from talking to me ingame.
Once again, you're equating level of raids to fun factor in EQ, keep your opinions to yourself. As basically, they aren't worth shit.
By the way, Goraz, I'm way passed middleschool, unlike your "witty" put downs.
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Luturb
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Livermore, California
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 16:49 Post subject:
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Notice how a lot of the people who say it's about loot aren't piaying anymore?
It's pointless to argue since people obviously have various motivations for anything they do. For me it's changed over time. I used to be pretty concerned about gear and being the #1 warrior in the guild, I had Nazlug's and Furor's Megalo profiles bookmarked and was always comparing myself to them, making dream profiles, blah blah blah, but that loses it's allure as soon as you realize that before you can get the uber loot you're drooling over today, there will be new and better loot that you don't have. There will always be somebody that's better than you, for whatever reason. It's just a treadmill that you can't reach the end of.
Nowadays I play to kill new boss mobs and to hang out with my friends. I still like to get a piece of loot now and then, but as long as my gear is good enough that I'm not holding back the group/guild it's no big deal. Really there's prolly 6-10 people on TM that if they were to quit EQ for good I'd probably be gone in less than a week. I think most people that just play for loot burn out pretty fast, and the people who have been playing for a really long time get something out of the game other than loot/ego stroking.
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Crackr
Luke Warm
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Posted: 02/14/03 - 17:03 Post subject:
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Amen
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Ynih Yllems
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Posted: 02/15/03 - 10:55 Post subject:
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You're still missing what I was saying about lewt friends and accomplishments. They all 3 factor in.
You are right about level of raids not necessarily equating fun factor. However, with levels you can do more <period> You can only do fear/hate and HoT so many times.
As far as keeping up to date with my friends. I do. Matter of fact I tried to help some SN folks do a RoF the other day (failed terribly due to average raid level 54 and no casters). I don't regularly keep up with the folks that went to BotD. I do talk to some of them occasionally.
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Occulis
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 13293
Location: Moral Relativity Central
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Posted: 02/15/03 - 12:19 Post subject:
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Short quote where I replaced "gambling" with "EQ" and "gambler" with "player":
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Then the more a quagmire of EQ makes life outside more unpleasant still, the more likely the player will return to that temporary escape. Yet here are so many other ways to escape temporarily from real life that are re-recreational, rather than destructive - but do not make profits for anyone. There are so many other pleasures to be learnt - since, I tell you - we LEARN most of the forms of our pleasures, regardless of what primary drive they satisfy.
People are ignorant. They dont know the alternatives. Schools have no set function to train for everyday life, to inspire interest in all sorts of constructive activities that can be continued after leaving school, and develop initiative and capacity to find one's own recreations, one's own absorbing interests, hobbies, and I dare to say this, to find escape and consolation in reading books - not just learning how to answer questions about them.
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http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/gambl.htm#psychology
EQ is gambling with time instead of money for the reward of (insert your reward here) instead of money. Is your reward Virtus Penis? Grats. Is your reward social acceptance? Grats.
This explanation of EQ and addiction makes the most sense to me.
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Grummpy
Luke Warm
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Posted: 02/16/03 - 01:20 Post subject:
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Well, I was addicted cause in the game it was cool to Do something new and exciting.
I loved to help people get better and stronger and inturn get rewarded myself.
I live in CT so Winter theres nothing to do anyway, I used to take the summer off EQ and go camping, Race my Drag car ect.
then I have my First Kid, well that made it easier to stay home and play also.
then I had my second Kid, again easy to stay home :p
It stoped being fun when people forgot they were in a game and
also forgot people may have goals that differ from others.
but EQ designed the game to need 30 people or more to do anything fun so personalitys clashed and Reputations / problems were created that often or not were far from the truth.
once my youngest was over a year old it became quite easy to quit and do real life stuff again.
RL Family stuff > EQ
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