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 Posted: 08/11/03 - 01:15 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | Have you ever seen anything that couldn't, and I mean, could not in any way shape or form, be explained reasonably?
I haven't, but then again, maybe I've lived a sheltered life.
Someone please bring forth something that might point to existence of a "higher" level of consciousness, a "immortal" being. Please.
It would make for an interesting discussion at the least! |
I'm agnostic and follow no religion.
To answer your question.
All you have to do is walk outside on a clear night and look up. There you will see many little spots of light all very far away.
Why they are there cannot be explained reasonably, and I'm not talking about the mechanics that we understand. I mean the *why* part. I use the stars as one example. I could easly use the dead pigeon in my garbage can, or the garbage can itself as other examples.
Being you cannot explain the why part of how these things(or the atoms that make them up) got here, one of many logical conclusions would be they were created by something.
Something that is WATCHING YOU RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
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Jinu
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Posted: 08/11/03 - 01:52 Post subject:
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I dunno who you are referring to, but half the board just said there is no Jesus. So i was just making a comment that there was in fact a person named Jesus.
As for all the b******t about why there isn't any record of Jesus before he was 30, well, maybe because no one gives a f**k enough to write shit down about an unimportant person.
But, you start a religion that is popular with the low lifes, and deemed a trouble maker, then someone might write something about you.
anyway, i think most of the time, those who claim no religion, are those most interested in it.
| Sabathius wrote: | Blind adherence to something you believe in is admirable. But only when you can support it with fact. Otherwise you are just sticking your fingers in your ears and closing yer eyes and yelling, I'm not listening i'm not listening.
I never said there was no Jesus. I do believe that there was. I believe that most of Christian faith is based on lies built to shield us from the reality that this really is a s****y world. But I am glad that I get to ride the blue planet ride a little bit.
The only thing I was stating was that the book makes a very good argument. I just can't stand when someone blindly says, " No, you are wrong and how dare you challenge my belief system. I'm right, because mommy told me i'm right and therefore I will always be right."
You wanna believe the Bible is the TRUTH? Fine, just don't get any on me. |
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JC Denton
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Posted: 01/07/04 - 23:49 Post subject:
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I noticed that you said the burden of proof lies on the atheists, WheresNWS. The burden of proof lies on the person, in my mind, with the greater claim to prove. This makes this an essentially meaningless discuss (but I will continue). To the thiest, the claim that there is no god is absurd, clearly the burden of proof lies on them and vice versa. At this point, things are boiled down to a matter of perception and differing theories.
Best stance to take on religion:
Militant Agnostic: I don't know and niether do you[/b]
I just realized that this thread is a few months old, sorry bout the uneeded bump....
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-Reneloth-
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 00:43 Post subject:
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| Sabathius wrote: | Yes...there is evidence to this if you jack asses would have a little patience and yes... FAITH and read the damned book.
f**k you stupid, blind SUPERCHRISTIANS. You make me wanna shove a Giant 12 gauge in your g*****n throat like a big black c**k of death and blow your g*****n heads off. SHUT THE f**k UP AND ALLOW ME MY OWN f*****g OPINION. YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE?
NOTHING! NOT A GODDAMNED THING! LIGHTS OUT.. NOTHINGNESS FOR EVER AND EVER, BUT YOU DONT KNOW IT'S NOTHINGNESS BECAUSE YOU ARE f*****g NOTHING.
SO SHUT THE f**k UP, READ YOUR RIDICULOUS PIECE OF TRASH LITERATURE, THROW HARD EARNED MONEY TO GREEDY PIGS WHO USE IT TO LINE THEIR POCKETS, AND LEAVE ME THE f**k ALONE.
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Can someone say irony?
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Yanbik
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 01:19 Post subject:
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Religon is basically a tool to control to masses, whether to persuade them to do good or to kill themselves as martyrs. Just think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Many people need the sense of security, self esteem, and self actualization that religion can bring them.
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Tura
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 02:02 Post subject:
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Christianity is more than a religion, its spirituality. Its not all supernatural glamor or boring doctrines written out in a book. Its about the Holy Spirit living in you and working through you. Its not anything that can be scientifically proven because God doesn't want you to worry about the why or how. He just wants you to believe in him without having to prove himself to you first. This is where faith comes in. Once you actually have faith in God and believe deep down that he is there without asking for an explanation or a sign, then you will begin to see changes in your life and most importantly, in your heart & mind. When you worship Him, its just the greatest feeling in the world. Its a feeling that your spirit is sensative to and you can really feel the Holy Spirits presence. Ive seen some miracles in my life. Some were real, some were horribly faked. But the real miracle is when you accept Jesus and put everything else behind you. After that, everything comes into focus alot more clear. Its sad, because so many christians have preached their own judgement and thrown the Bible in so many peoples faces that it turns others away from God and closes the door for any witnessing to be done. I know alot of you dont agree with this, but I felt a little light needed to be shed on this post without all the flaming.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 02:11 Post subject:
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I think religion in general is about cope and hope. You cope when a close relative or friend dies and you hope they are in a better place. If we knew for a fact that we simply winked out of existance when we died, it would be a hell of alot harder to cope.
I believe that humans in general are too arrogant to accept the premise that we might just be advanced mammals, doomed to live on the same food chain and be recycled into the same elements as everything else around us. We think we're somehow special, that we get to go on while everything else just dies. The idea that we cease to exist and that final justice doesn't happen is too much to bear, and that's where Heaven and Hell come in:
Little Susie was killed by a crazy man who then killed himself, but she's in Heaven now with God while the crazy man is in Hell where he belongs, with Satan. Justice was served.
It wouldn't be fair if Susie wasn't avenged by God's justice in the end. Do you get what I am saying?
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 02:15 Post subject:
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I do and I agree 100%.
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Tura
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 02:24 Post subject:
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Thats a kinda negative outlook on things 
But everyone is entitled to their own.
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Luturb
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 02:32 Post subject:
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This is where I drag out my favorite William Blake quote:
"He's a Blockhead who wants a proof of what he Can't Percieve And he's a Fool who tries to make such a Blockhead believe."
-- William Blake (1757-1827), British poet, artist, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell
This thead is full of blockheads and fools.
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Paco
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 08:29 Post subject:
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| JC Denton wrote: | I noticed that you said the burden of proof lies on the atheists, WheresNWS. The burden of proof lies on the person, in my mind, with the greater claim to prove. This makes this an essentially meaningless discuss (but I will continue). To the thiest, the claim that there is no god is absurd, clearly the burden of proof lies on them and vice versa. At this point, things are boiled down to a matter of perception and differing theories.
Best stance to take on religion:
Militant Agnostic: I don't know and niether do you[/b]
I just realized that this thread is a few months old, sorry bout the uneeded bump.... |
thanks for bumping this old ass thread shithead
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JC Denton
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 08:37 Post subject:
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*shrugs* No problem
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Gutrippar
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 08:43 Post subject:
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For some more fun, read Dan Brown's Angels and Daemons.
Illuminati. *hi da vinci!*
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Tiluvas
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 11:26 Post subject:
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Angels and Demons wasn't as good. The first half was pretty cool, but it got pretty lame around the whole helicopter scene. That was a little too far fetched for me. I liked the ambigrams, though!
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 12:42 Post subject:
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man did someone bump this post or wut, religion topics on realpoor are all the same , tired
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Zapper
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 14:11 Post subject:
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Bumping old shit should give you an insta 1 week ban
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lauren000
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 14:21 Post subject:
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| TrueParadox wrote: | | Thuphir wrote: | That group of people in France... not so sure that's really to be taken for people that are still there, guess you are talking about the early Merovingian line. Which can be linked about 500 years after they fell from power in France to the roots of the Knights Templar and eventual Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. And from what you are saying you should know that Catholicism is quite nearly as convoluted as Protestantism.
And the Mormon faith is NOT derived from OTHER books of the Bible, the story behind Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon doesn't involve some books lost to any bs ecunemical or lateran council. The Dead Sea Scrolls are nice and interesting, too bad the Isreali Government doesn't allow 80% of the total find to be published (i.e. what is known publically as the Dead Sea Scrolls is only 20% of what was found around Qumar). Another interesting find that you'd probably get a kick out of is the Nag Hammadi texts, should look those up. Damn I'd write more but i need to get to work. |
Very good points here, especially the one about the Mormon faith. The texts that the mormon faith are based off are nothing more than fabrications of Joseph Smith from some mystical plate he found in New York. Has nothing to do with any existing documentation thrown aside by anyone.
There is a TON of specualtion about the missing 32 years of the life of Christ, a lot of it points to the fact that he was indeed married and all the text referring to Mary Magdelan as a p********e was biased views from the apostles because of the attentions that were given to her over them. Ask any strict old world jewish male what a proper jewish father is to do for his son in the eyes of God. There's a list of things that a father is to have done for his son in those times by the time the boy is 18, and one of those is to have him married. It makes sense. Why wouldn't he be married? Being the son of God doesn't exlude him for procreation, and nowhere in the bible does it SAY that Christ was excluded from this natural order passed down from his Father. If he was married then he would have been practicing the "clean" **** as prescribed in the Bible..
One can theorize for an eternity about the Bible and religion, my take is that the Bible is a guidebook, a reference document for examples on how to live a good life. The rest of religion is between you and God to sort out. |
with what jesus was saying, it means he is the son of god, or a dirty liar. Neither of those possibilities include a 'good morale character'.
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JC Denton
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 18:15 Post subject:
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I take full responsibility for this. The thread got linked, I read it and posted, never looked at the dates. Live and learn I guess...
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 18:37 Post subject:
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Next lesson...triple posts.
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JC Denton
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 18:45 Post subject:
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Woah, again sorry. I have no clue how that happened. I r teh n00b
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narchy
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 00:16 Post subject:
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 I believe in God but I don't force it on anyone. It's fun, actually. Me and my stepdad have arguments about it all the time. He thinks Jesus was a drug addict and that God never existed. People, people, people.
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compusmack
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 11:16 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Next lesson...triple posts. |
fixed.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 11:19 Post subject:
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| Yanbik wrote: | | Religon is basically a tool to control to masses, whether to persuade them to do good or to kill themselves as martyrs. Just think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Many people need the sense of security, self esteem, and self actualization that religion can bring them. |
By Marx!
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Paden
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Kin
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 11:57 Post subject:
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when it comes down to it, one argument is based on faith, the other based on logic. One cannot defeat the other, so we might as well shut the hell up
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 13:30 Post subject:
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stop posting in old threads, make a new one or dont post
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