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BlingBling
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 Posted: 10/12/03 - 19:49 Post subject: speeding tickets
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gf just called me, got pulled over, cop said she was doig 60 in the 50 zone. She was doing 55 she was positive. f****r gave her a ticket, didnt use lights to pull her over and it was dark, used his little spotlight thing.
Can he do this?
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Zuldane
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 19:56 Post subject:
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he can do whatever the hell he wants
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Renaij
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 20:07 Post subject:
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i've been pulled over twice for doing 10 kp/h over the speed limit, and both times cop let me go...thank god i was in a Carquest car hehe, he realised i was working and let me go.
one time a cop pulled ahead of me, put on his lights and pulled to a dead stop, in a 3 lane road, so i stopped, thinking he stopped me, then just waited there, so i pulled around and kept going, he sped up came around me again, and did the same thing, so i did the same thing, he did it one more time, before i got back to the office and he left me alone...Kbarr, care to enlighten us, as to what they may have been doing?
and btw, don't ever p**s off cops...there isn't any point. they have the power, let em have it, they protect you, and if you were pulled over for speeding, accept the ticket...you WERE speeding, and hes doing his job so don't give him/her hell over it.
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Janoth
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 20:18 Post subject:
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If she was only doing 55 then she can challenge it. The cop doesn't have any records of her doing 60 if she really wasn't doing it. Chances are her speedomiter is 5 MPH off or something.
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Paden
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 20:19 Post subject: Re: speeding tickets
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| BlingBling wrote: | gf just called me, got pulled over, cop said she was doig 60 in the 50 zone. She was doing 55 she was positive. f****r gave her a ticket, didnt use lights to pull her over and it was dark, used his little spotlight thing.
Can he do this? |
If it is at night a girl does not have to stop untill she gets in a well lit area I am told.
Because of some killers use to pretend they were cops.
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Docter
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 20:26 Post subject:
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You actually have the right to ask to see the radar gun. If he didn't catch her at 60, he has no case.
Also, she shouldn't be pulling over until he does his lights. For all she knows it could have been some security guard with a searchlight, playing as a cop.
/shrugs
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compusmack
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 20:39 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | You actually have the right to ask to see the radar gun. If he didn't catch her at 60, he has no case.
Also, she shouldn't be pulling over until he does his lights. For all she knows it could have been some security guard with a searchlight, playing as a cop.
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lol. I tried that once, they flatly denied showing it to me. Maybe the law is different in Michigan, but the cops do what they want and there isn't much you can do about it while you're being pulled over.
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Deroth
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 21:33 Post subject:
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I think people have a misconception when it comes to the law. I'm not a police officer but I'm pretty sure when they give you a ticket your getting a ticket. Asking to see the radar is only going to make it worse. and all that light b******t is a laugh, wtf would they put their lights on ? Why do you think their out there lol.
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Booker
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 21:45 Post subject:
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dont speed. period.
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Akronn
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 21:46 Post subject:
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The cop doesn't need proof, no radar gun, no documentation proving his speedometer is correct, etc. None whatsoever.
You can fight it if you want, but it's up to the judge to decide if (s)he'll let you off with a warning. Basically, don't break the law if you don't want to suffer the consequences.
Don't buy into all the b******t about lights being on and all that.
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Mental_Hernia
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 21:48 Post subject:
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She was speeding; get over it.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 22:01 Post subject:
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ya really 55 is illegal in a 50 mile an hour zone too.. even if it was true she was still speeding.. gotta say i love going anywhere with any of my friends who are cops cause we can go as fast as we want and if we get pulled over he just says he is a cop and they are like ok man slow it down a bit, drive safe.
a cops word carries more weight than someone elses too, if a judge has to go by someones word he will go by the cops 99% of the time.
Legally they have to show you the radar gun and legally the guy that pulls you over has to be the one who tagged you with the gun.. but honestly your best bet is to apologize and act like they are superior to you cause if you act like a j*****s even if you are right your definitly gonna get a ticket.
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atarom
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 22:06 Post subject:
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booker wins.
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Akronn
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 22:09 Post subject:
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Here ya go, really fast: http://www.pbelectronics.com/ask_an_officer!.htm
| Quote: | "If I ask to see the RADAR, the officer has to show it to me".
To my knowledge, there is no law in effect making it mandatory for the officer to show you the RADAR. My feeling has always been that if I had a legitimate speed locked in and it was them, why not show it to them? I had nothing to hide and even though they had no idea what they were looking at (most units allow a speed to remain locked in for an indefinite period of time, so it could be a speed from 2 hours ago) and if it increases my credibility in their mind, so be it. |
And another, http://www.motorists.com/issues/tickets/avoiding_tickets.html
| Quote: | Does the officer have to show me the radar/laser reading?
This is not required in most jurisdictions. Also, whether the officer allows you to see the speed reading has virtually no bearing on your case. Officers can lock on radar readings and leave them on to display to any hapless victim, even though it was not their vehicle that registered the displayed speed. |
All a myth, dudes.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 22:38 Post subject:
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i didn't read this thread, but laws very greatly state to state.
here in florida, i've gotten pulled over 3x for speeding
100 - 55
41 - 30
75 - 40
gotten pulled over for not yelding right of way &
gotten a ticket for not wearing a seat belt (it was bs because i was, i was just an idiot and took it off before the cop came to my window)
anyway..
all i really care about is my car insurance. to this day, my car insurance continues to decrease.
in fla, we can either
a- go to a 4hr traffic school (results in 0 points, which normally means no insurance hike)
b- go to court. if you haven't had a ticket in like 6 months, the hearing officier will normally give you a reduced fine (plus fees so it kinda cancles out) plus 0 points.
c- pay the ticket (almost guarenteed that your insurance will go up)
if she got pulled over, chances are, she'd be able to fight it in court. (again i can only be sure about fla law) if she took the cop to court, she could request to see radar calibration papers, police certifican papers on radar use, paperwork to show that hte radar was calibrated that day that it was being used, etc... if the cop didn't use radar (in fla they mark it on the citation) she could ask to see calibration papers on the cop's vehicle's speedometer to make sure it was accurate. chances are, the officier, if he even showed up tot the court date, won't have the information and hte judge will throw the case out and you'll just be stuck with fines.
do some research, there's quite a few ways out of silly traffic tickets like that. if she's really worried about it, find a traffic lawyer and pay him a few hundred and i'm sure he can make everything disappear without her even having to do anything more than sign a few papers.
=)
hope i haven't rehashed something that's already been mentioned in this thread
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 22:40 Post subject: Re: speeding tickets
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| Paden wrote: | If it is at night a girl does not have to stop untill she gets in a well lit area I am told.
Because of some killers use to pretend they were cops. |
that's b******t. if a police of some kind is pulling you over, you better get over ASAP before you get hit with trying to run away. i've heard of one case where the woman did drive for quite a while with the cop chaseing her till she pulled over becuase she was "in fear of her safety"... the case got taken to court and i think she ended up having tp pay for not pulling over. *shrug*
| Docter wrote: | You actually have the right to ask to see the radar gun. If he didn't catch her at 60, he has no case.
Also, she shouldn't be pulling over until he does his lights. For all she knows it could have been some security guard with a searchlight, playing as a cop.
/shrugs |
i woulden't bother the cop too much if he's giving you a citation. you don't want him to remember you so that if you take the case to court, he won't have a clear recolection about hte incident, hell, chances are here he won't even show up
| akronn wrote: | | The cop doesn't need proof, no radar gun, no documentation proving his speedometer is correct, etc. None whatsoever. |
maybe where you live, here if hte cop doesn't have proper documentation, he's f****d. cops who do traffic detail like that get f****d, they have to calibrate like everything on their damn cars if they want a chance against someone in court.
| Mental_Hernia wrote: | | She was speeding; get over it. |
traffic citations can seriously hurt your driving record with affects insurance rates. if you don't wanna be a high risk driver, f*****g fight it. my insurance is enough already (~$200/month) and if i didn't fight my tickets.. well damn, i might have to drive the speed limit or i woulden't have a car because i wouldent' be able to afford insurance! ;p
| tolanin wrote: | | a cops word carries more weight than someone elses too, if a judge has to go by someones word he will go by the cops 99% of the time. |
if the cop has no proof, then going off his word is a crock of shit. they need to have some sort of papers that say they're certified to use the radar and shit, if they don't, thx for throwing out the ticket
| atarom wrote: | | booker wins. |
no he doesn't. driving the speed limit f*****g sucks. i feel like a lil old lady.
as a side note, i don't know why i took the time to reply to all this =P i'm just bored and not tired yet =) i do know that compared to the other places i have visited, florida has some of the most relaxed traffic laws i've seen. we have the ticket clinic here in south fla and for $50, if you haven't had a ticket in the past year, they guarentee to get you off with no fine for speeding violations and a few other minor traffic violations. that should tell you what a joke our system is. of course, knowing cops is always a good thing, if you do get pulled over, you can throw their name around, or you can just call your friend and have him tlak to the officier who pulled you over and have him lose his copy of hte ticket so it never gets turned in.
i don't hate cops, i just hate cops who get shafted and have to work traffic detail... no one likes traffic cops
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 23:11 Post subject:
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| Renaij wrote: | i've been pulled over twice for doing 10 kp/h over the speed limit, and both times cop let me go...thank god i was in a Carquest car hehe, he realised i was working and let me go.
one time a cop pulled ahead of me, put on his lights and pulled to a dead stop, in a 3 lane road, so i stopped, thinking he stopped me, then just waited there, so i pulled around and kept going, he sped up came around me again, and did the same thing, so i did the same thing, he did it one more time, before i got back to the office and he left me alone...Kbarr, care to enlighten us, as to what they may have been doing?
and btw, don't ever p**s off cops...there isn't any point. they have the power, let em have it, they protect you, and if you were pulled over for speeding, accept the ticket...you WERE speeding, and hes doing his job so don't give him/her hell over it. |
What was he doing? I have no clue but I'll take a guess. He might have been looking for something that had nothing to do with you. Many times I pulled up in front of cars, stopped, looked around for *whatever I was looking for* and then moved up just to look again. It confuses the hell out of people watching you, and it can even get them annoyed to the point of talking shit(in bklyn at least). But when you are looking for a running perp, you have no time, or desire to explain yourself to civilians.
Speeding tickets? I was never a highway cop so I never actually gave a "speeding ticket" but I have given "unsafe speed" tickets. The unsafe speed is a catch all for when I think someone is going to fast, its all on my word and mine alone:). Speeding tickets don't always require a radar gun either, they have laser guns now and some cops don't use a gun. Their police car speedometer is calibrated so all they have to do is follow you for a period of time and they got you. Sometimes they have spotters at one mile marker and another farther down the road. They have the distance charted out in time, you make the distance to fast and that means you were speeding. Sometimes they use a helicopter to do that too.
Protocol for pulling people over is different all across the US, I can't comment on that. But I can personally, I have pulled up to many MANY cars when they were stopped for whatever reason, then crept up to a window and pointed rosco at the driver. Telling him not to f*****g move or I would blow his f*****g head off. They always stopped when you did that, none ever took off with that tactic:)
Its always good to kiss ass. If you kiss a good ass at the butcher he might give you a few extra slices of baloney, with a cop? You might not get a ticket. Its f*****g common sense. The big difference is if you don't kiss the butchers ass, he will still be "nice" to you, he wants your business.
The cop will just get even:)
or worse, LOL.
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Manuva
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 23:29 Post subject:
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One wierd thing is in Ohio, if the Highway patrolman isn't in full uniform at the time he can't do anything.
My friend argued a ticket in court and got out of it because the guy wasn't wearing his hat when he got out of the car.
Strange shit?
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 23:42 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | One wierd thing is in Ohio, if the Highway patrolman isn't in full uniform at the time he can't do anything.
My friend argued a ticket in court and got out of it because the guy wasn't wearing his hat when he got out of the car.
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Actually it probably means they testify very well. The thing with traffic court is they have to find some people not guilty or it will look bad. If everyone who fought a ticket lost that would raise an eyebrow. So what they do is find a certain percentage of people not guilty and that makes the newspapers happy. Now, if your in an area where the cops don't testify well you got it easy. Just ask him a few questions(the judge), watch him fumble it and you have your not guilty. But in places where they have standard sheets printed out(like ny) and all you have to do is pencil in the blanks, name/speed/car stats, its harder. In NY we just ramble off all the main points, the same way every time and it covers all the points the judge needs to hear for a guilty. Its very hard to find the people not guilty that way, so they have to find stupider reasons for a not guilty.
Like no hat.
(if thats even true)
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Tolanin
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Posted: 10/12/03 - 23:47 Post subject:
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in rhode island whether you win or lose a court case is entirely based upon how much you pay the judge before hand and/or how much patrick kennedy likes you.
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ashwynd
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 01:53 Post subject:
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When they use shit like helicopters or those blimps etc you cannot see you can fight it in court and you will win every time, at least in California. It happened to my friend and they got off easily =) I've been pulled over for doing 50 in a 35, the cop was really cool and let me off. I was also pulled over for going 5 mph UNDER the speed limit (it was 3 am and i was exhausted, sue me), the cop just felt like harassing me. Then another time I was coming home from the beach w/ a girl at around 2 am and a cop pulled us over for supposedly having my brights on as he was facing us driving. To make a long story short, cops here suck, in high crime areas, more power to them.
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Akronn
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 08:43 Post subject: Re: speeding tickets
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| r00tus wrote: | | akronn wrote: | | The cop doesn't need proof, no radar gun, no documentation proving his speedometer is correct, etc. None whatsoever. |
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No doubt the law varies, but here in Michigan cops can take classes for speed and distance judging.
They can pull you over w/o any instrumentation at all, you were going fast and that's that. I have been pulled over this way, and the judge nearly bit my head when I mentioned the... lack of proof.
'YOU CALLING MY COP A LIAR!?!'
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 11:47 Post subject:
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Laws vary from state to state. In Oklahoma (and Florida and Texas at least when I lived there), you can easily fight and win if the cop doesn't show up in court to testify. They rarely show up for minor shit because they are too busy, so unless they are there for someone else's serious ticket, you are pretty safe fighting it.
The 5 mph over the speed limit rule isn't a rule - if she was doing 55 in a 50, she was speeding and can get a ticket. Cops often won't pull you over if you are within 5 mph of the speed limit, but they can. When speedlimits were raised on the interstates, a lot of jurisdictions went with a No Tolerance policy - you drive the speedlimit or you are speeding, period. They can also ticket you for driving at or below speed limit if they feel conditions warrant it (rain, snow, fog, poor road conditions, etc).
In some areas you can get away with flashing your lights and then continuing to a well-lit area before pulling off if it is an unmarked car (I know for a fact you can here in Oklahoma City - we had a rash of rape/murders a few years back where the 'cop' ploy was used and the police themselves said to not pull over to any unmarked car or a car that wasn't flashing full lights). I personally would never pull over to a car that was just spotlighting me in a dark and/or unpopulated area, unless I could see the markings and recognized it clearly as a local enforcement car.
Moral of the story though - don't speed, period. If you obey traffic laws, you generally will never have to worry about tickets or insurance problems. =)
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 12:11 Post subject:
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| ashwynd wrote: | | I was also pulled over for going 5 mph UNDER the speed limit (it was 3 am and i was exhausted, sue me), the cop just felt like harassing me. |
I'm guessing he just wanted to check you out. If people are driving really slow late at night there's a good chance they're DUI or like you said just really tired and falling asleep. Cop can pull you over, make sure you're ok, and if nothing else you were probably awake after that.
Driving drunk is great, people are concentrating so hard on staying between the lines and doing a good job, and don't realize they're on the wrong side of the road, doing 17 mph with their lights off. But by God they're not weaving.
I am under the impression that the speed limits in CA are more of a helpful suggestion than a law since it doesn't seem to get enforced much, but maybe I'm just lucky.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 12:25 Post subject: Re: speeding tickets
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| Akronn wrote: | They can pull you over w/o any instrumentation at all, you were going fast and that's that. I have been pulled over this way, and the judge nearly bit my head when I mentioned the... lack of proof.
'YOU CALLING MY COP A LIAR!?!' |
that sucks dude =/
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Brash
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 12:43 Post subject:
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in minnesota , you go to court and pay the fine under the condition they dont post it to your record . works every time.....
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 14:45 Post subject: Re: speeding tickets
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| r00tus wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | They can pull you over w/o any instrumentation at all, you were going fast and that's that. I have been pulled over this way, and the judge nearly bit my head when I mentioned the... lack of proof.
'YOU CALLING MY COP A LIAR!?!' |
that sucks dude =/ |
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Krenlim
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my pet peeve is seeing the same trooper everyday in the same spot on a TOLL road tagging speeders, talk about getting shafted twice, I think they figure if you pay for tolls they might aswell get more money from speeding tickets.
Or you can just go onto the local interstate without cops and go 100+ mph for free. I just dont get it.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:20 Post subject:
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ya man
the toll roads here in fla have cops every like .5 mile i hate it ..
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Krenlim
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:26 Post subject:
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Yup, same in Tampa
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