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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 04:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 04:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Rycrias wrote:
Why is it that no one is asking about the LA governor or the New Orleans mayor? Didnt they know that there was a hurricaine coming? The governor can assemble Natonal guard troops, order evacuations and even institute martial law.

All I hear about is how this is GW's fault.

Gimmie a f*****g break.


Odds are they are black, hispanic or white democrats. They can do no wrong here, its racist remember?

If they were white male republicans they would be freaking on them as much as they are Bush.

Its comical.


If they were male, white republicans, Bush would have done something earlier Smile

The fact is that LA voted for Bush. I have a feeling in 2008, that's going to be a blue, blue state.

I detest George Bush, but not because he's a Republican. I hate him because he's a slack-jawed moron. He used his dad's connections to get him into office, and Wag the Dog tactics to keep him there. Of course, he doesn't have to do shit, now that he's comfortably ensconced in office. Time to party and fundraise, and let my dad's people deal with any problems that pop up. The problem with both parties these days is they're more concerned with winning the damn election than actually putting the best man for the job into office.

The truth is that the Homeland Security Dept. is supposed to be in charge not only of keeping the country safe from internation and domestic threats, but minimizing loss of life in the event of a major catastrophe. No, the federal government isn't technically responsible for rebuilding those homes. But they sure as hell ARE responsible for maintaining order in their own country. If people are being shot and raped, and the state/city can't keep it under control, the government needs to step in and take control. Hell, that's why we're in Iraq!

The flooding and destruction of NO was an inevitable occurrence. We were warned 3 days in advance that this disaster was going to happen. We should have reacted to this the same way we would if someone blew up the Superdome during an NFL game there. Are we now saying that it would take a week for the military to get to New Orleans if there was a terrorist attack?

I don't judge Bush for having this happen during his presidency. I judge him because of the woefully inadequate response. And the GOP cronies are calling this left-wing propaganda. To them, I say that I have no party affiliation, and I am moderate, not liberal or conservative, and I'm p****d. So what now?

Bush is running this country like Mackavelli ran CoS. "They're all out to get us, it's us against them guys, we have to stick together against those who want to hurt us if we want to win."

And you all bought it.


Idiot.


Truth Hurts.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 04:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Rycrias wrote:
Why is it that no one is asking about the LA governor or the New Orleans mayor? Didnt they know that there was a hurricaine coming? The governor can assemble Natonal guard troops, order evacuations and even institute martial law.

All I hear about is how this is GW's fault.

Gimmie a f*****g break.


Odds are they are black, hispanic or white democrats. They can do no wrong here, its racist remember?

If they were white male republicans they would be freaking on them as much as they are Bush.

Its comical.


If they were male, white republicans, Bush would have done something earlier Smile

The fact is that LA voted for Bush. I have a feeling in 2008, that's going to be a blue, blue state.

I detest George Bush, but not because he's a Republican. I hate him because he's a slack-jawed moron. He used his dad's connections to get him into office, and Wag the Dog tactics to keep him there. Of course, he doesn't have to do shit, now that he's comfortably ensconced in office. Time to party and fundraise, and let my dad's people deal with any problems that pop up. The problem with both parties these days is they're more concerned with winning the damn election than actually putting the best man for the job into office.

The truth is that the Homeland Security Dept. is supposed to be in charge not only of keeping the country safe from internation and domestic threats, but minimizing loss of life in the event of a major catastrophe. No, the federal government isn't technically responsible for rebuilding those homes. But they sure as hell ARE responsible for maintaining order in their own country. If people are being shot and raped, and the state/city can't keep it under control, the government needs to step in and take control. Hell, that's why we're in Iraq!

The flooding and destruction of NO was an inevitable occurrence. We were warned 3 days in advance that this disaster was going to happen. We should have reacted to this the same way we would if someone blew up the Superdome during an NFL game there. Are we now saying that it would take a week for the military to get to New Orleans if there was a terrorist attack?

I don't judge Bush for having this happen during his presidency. I judge him because of the woefully inadequate response. And the GOP cronies are calling this left-wing propaganda. To them, I say that I have no party affiliation, and I am moderate, not liberal or conservative, and I'm p****d. So what now?

Bush is running this country like Mackavelli ran CoS. "They're all out to get us, it's us against them guys, we have to stick together against those who want to hurt us if we want to win."

And you all bought it.


Idiot.


Truth Hurts.


Stupidity kills.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 05:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Rycrias wrote:
Why is it that no one is asking about the LA governor or the New Orleans mayor? Didnt they know that there was a hurricaine coming? The governor can assemble Natonal guard troops, order evacuations and even institute martial law.

All I hear about is how this is GW's fault.

Gimmie a f*****g break.


Odds are they are black, hispanic or white democrats. They can do no wrong here, its racist remember?

If they were white male republicans they would be freaking on them as much as they are Bush.

Its comical.


If they were male, white republicans, Bush would have done something earlier Smile

The fact is that LA voted for Bush. I have a feeling in 2008, that's going to be a blue, blue state.

I detest George Bush, but not because he's a Republican. I hate him because he's a slack-jawed moron. He used his dad's connections to get him into office, and Wag the Dog tactics to keep him there. Of course, he doesn't have to do shit, now that he's comfortably ensconced in office. Time to party and fundraise, and let my dad's people deal with any problems that pop up. The problem with both parties these days is they're more concerned with winning the damn election than actually putting the best man for the job into office.

The truth is that the Homeland Security Dept. is supposed to be in charge not only of keeping the country safe from internation and domestic threats, but minimizing loss of life in the event of a major catastrophe. No, the federal government isn't technically responsible for rebuilding those homes. But they sure as hell ARE responsible for maintaining order in their own country. If people are being shot and raped, and the state/city can't keep it under control, the government needs to step in and take control. Hell, that's why we're in Iraq!

The flooding and destruction of NO was an inevitable occurrence. We were warned 3 days in advance that this disaster was going to happen. We should have reacted to this the same way we would if someone blew up the Superdome during an NFL game there. Are we now saying that it would take a week for the military to get to New Orleans if there was a terrorist attack?

I don't judge Bush for having this happen during his presidency. I judge him because of the woefully inadequate response. And the GOP cronies are calling this left-wing propaganda. To them, I say that I have no party affiliation, and I am moderate, not liberal or conservative, and I'm p****d. So what now?

Bush is running this country like Mackavelli ran CoS. "They're all out to get us, it's us against them guys, we have to stick together against those who want to hurt us if we want to win."

And you all bought it.


Idiot.


Truth Hurts.


Stupidity kills.


I know, that's why there are moms on TV all the time asking why their sons didn't come home, and people laying dead in the streets of New Orleans.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


Idiot.


I love beating you every time. Thanks Kbarr.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the Federal Government tried to take over control on 08/26/05, but Blanco thought it was a political move, so declined.

But I guess it's still Bush's fault. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


Idiot.


I love beating you every time. Thanks Kbarr.


Idiot.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Eindar wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Rycrias wrote:
Why is it that no one is asking about the LA governor or the New Orleans mayor? Didnt they know that there was a hurricaine coming? The governor can assemble Natonal guard troops, order evacuations and even institute martial law.

All I hear about is how this is GW's fault.

Gimmie a f*****g break.


Odds are they are black, hispanic or white democrats. They can do no wrong here, its racist remember?

If they were white male republicans they would be freaking on them as much as they are Bush.

Its comical.


If they were male, white republicans, Bush would have done something earlier Smile

The fact is that LA voted for Bush. I have a feeling in 2008, that's going to be a blue, blue state.

I detest George Bush, but not because he's a Republican. I hate him because he's a slack-jawed moron. He used his dad's connections to get him into office, and Wag the Dog tactics to keep him there. Of course, he doesn't have to do shit, now that he's comfortably ensconced in office. Time to party and fundraise, and let my dad's people deal with any problems that pop up. The problem with both parties these days is they're more concerned with winning the damn election than actually putting the best man for the job into office.

The truth is that the Homeland Security Dept. is supposed to be in charge not only of keeping the country safe from internation and domestic threats, but minimizing loss of life in the event of a major catastrophe. No, the federal government isn't technically responsible for rebuilding those homes. But they sure as hell ARE responsible for maintaining order in their own country. If people are being shot and raped, and the state/city can't keep it under control, the government needs to step in and take control. Hell, that's why we're in Iraq!

The flooding and destruction of NO was an inevitable occurrence. We were warned 3 days in advance that this disaster was going to happen. We should have reacted to this the same way we would if someone blew up the Superdome during an NFL game there. Are we now saying that it would take a week for the military to get to New Orleans if there was a terrorist attack?

I don't judge Bush for having this happen during his presidency. I judge him because of the woefully inadequate response. And the GOP cronies are calling this left-wing propaganda. To them, I say that I have no party affiliation, and I am moderate, not liberal or conservative, and I'm p****d. So what now?

Bush is running this country like Mackavelli ran CoS. "They're all out to get us, it's us against them guys, we have to stick together against those who want to hurt us if we want to win."

And you all bought it.


Idiot.


Truth Hurts.


Stupidity kills.


I know, that's why there are moms on TV all the time asking why their sons didn't come home, and people laying dead in the streets of New Orleans.


Idiot.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


Idiot.


I love beating you every time. Thanks Kbarr.


Idiot.


You have to be the dumbest self proclaimed smart person I've ever seen.

Thanks again Kbarr, everytime you post you secure my superiority over you. I'm going to take my son to the park now; and I expect several more posts from you by the time I return that will boost my ego even more.

Own your b******t Kbarr.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you have stated that funding for the levee's were cut...but can some of you please explain how that funding was used to buy a casion, a boat, a plane, and other high ticket items...did the NO levee committee need them for something?
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 15:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


Idiot.


I love beating you every time. Thanks Kbarr.


Idiot.


You have to be the dumbest self proclaimed smart person I've ever seen.

Thanks again Kbarr, everytime you post you secure my superiority over you. I'm going to take my son to the park now; and I expect several more posts from you by the time I return that will boost my ego even more.

Own your b******t Kbarr.



he's to stupid to understand what you just said bro
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 16:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some of you have stated that funding for the levee's were cut...

It's been cut, denied, etc since the Clinton years. There was also wasteful spending by NO for improving evacuation routes, first responder communication networks, etc. I can't remember where it was. I do have the first part: Times-Picayune via Lexus Nexus

Quote:
February 17, 1995
Clinton administration officials argue that the flood-control efforts are local projects, not national, and should be paid for by local taxes.

Nationwide, the administration proposes cutting 98 new projects in 35 states and Puerto Rico, for an estimated savings of $29 million in 1996.

June 23, 1995

A hurricane project, approved and financed since 1965, to protect more than 140,000 West Bank residents east of the Harvey Canal is in jeopardy.

The Clinton administration is holding back a Corps of Engineers report recommending that the $120 million project proceed. Unless that report is forwarded to the Office of Management and Budget, Congress cannot authorize money for the project, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson's office said Thursday.

February 8, 2000

For the metropolitan New Orleans area, Clinton's budget was seen as a mixed bag by local lawmakers and government officials. For instance, while Clinton called for $1.5 billion to be spent at Avondale Industries to continue building LPD-17 landing craft, his budget calls for significantly less than what Congress appropriated last year for Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection and for West Bank flood control projects.

September 29, 2000

The House approved Thursday a $23.6 billion measure for water and energy programs, with sizable increases for several New Orleans area flood-control projects. The Senate will vote Monday, but it may be a while before the bill is enacted.

President Clinton is promising to veto the annual appropriation for the Energy Department and Army Corps of Engineers, not because it is $890 million larger than he proposed, but because it does not include a plan to alter the levels of the Missouri River to protect endangered fish and birds.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 16:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conqueso wrote:
Quote:
Some of you have stated that funding for the levee's were cut...

It's been cut, denied, etc since the Clinton years. There was also wasteful spending by NO for improving evacuation routes, first responder communication networks, etc. I can't remember where it was. I do have the first part: Times-Picayune via Lexus Nexus

Quote:
February 17, 1995
Clinton administration officials argue that the flood-control efforts are local projects, not national, and should be paid for by local taxes.

Nationwide, the administration proposes cutting 98 new projects in 35 states and Puerto Rico, for an estimated savings of $29 million in 1996.

June 23, 1995

A hurricane project, approved and financed since 1965, to protect more than 140,000 West Bank residents east of the Harvey Canal is in jeopardy.

The Clinton administration is holding back a Corps of Engineers report recommending that the $120 million project proceed. Unless that report is forwarded to the Office of Management and Budget, Congress cannot authorize money for the project, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson's office said Thursday.

February 8, 2000

For the metropolitan New Orleans area, Clinton's budget was seen as a mixed bag by local lawmakers and government officials. For instance, while Clinton called for $1.5 billion to be spent at Avondale Industries to continue building LPD-17 landing craft, his budget calls for significantly less than what Congress appropriated last year for Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection and for West Bank flood control projects.

September 29, 2000

The House approved Thursday a $23.6 billion measure for water and energy programs, with sizable increases for several New Orleans area flood-control projects. The Senate will vote Monday, but it may be a while before the bill is enacted.

President Clinton is promising to veto the annual appropriation for the Energy Department and Army Corps of Engineers, not because it is $890 million larger than he proposed, but because it does not include a plan to alter the levels of the Missouri River to protect endangered fish and birds.


Don't confuse the demonrats with facts, just chant their mantra..."It's Bush's Fault!". Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 16:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't blame bush for what happened

but you can blame him for what didn't happen - the delay was inexcusable - period

not all his fault - but he has to take some of the blame for certain
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 16:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obmar wrote:
can't blame bush for what happened but you can blame him for what didn't happen - the delay was inexcusable - period not all his fault - but he has to take some of the blame for certain

The federal goverment should make a review of evacuation plans and how money has been spent. Basically make local and state officials accountable. Here is a flipside of NO: Galveston creates evacuation plan for most vulnerable residents
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August 2, 2005 : Galveston emergency planners said they have 17 city buses and 40 school buses, which could be used to evacuate residents. And now the city is set to make an agreement with the housing authority itself.

In fact, by late Tuesday afternoon the deal was done. Some buses will now go directly to the housing complexes and pick up residents.

"For safety, they should have some type of transportation so we can get out," said Hill.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 16:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galveston population 50,000

New Orleans population 500,000

see that extra zero?
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I dont know where the hell that came from Orbit. It is also obvious that you do not know much about the greater Houston area but it's a moot point and not at all what I was trying to point out. I was pointing out that there should be plans in place and solid arrangements made. Reading NO's evacuation plan, it keeps things very non-specific:

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P.13.5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

P.20.2. Announce the location of staging areas for people who need transportation. Public transportation will concentrate on moving people from the staging areas to safety in hose parishes...

P.29.2. Transportation vehicles will be pre-positioned to transport residents to shelters.

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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 17:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

That picture has 132 school and 94 city busses if I counted right.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 17:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone's saying that the state of Louisana's handling of this wasn't flawed as well, but as a resident of the state of New Jersey, I can't hold them accountable. How the federal government has performed in this is more important when it comes to our own self-interests. If the Department of Homeland Security with its 180,000 employees drops the ball here, how do we know they won't drop the ball when it comes to disasters (whether natural or man-made) in our own neck of the woods?

Although part of me thinks that this is because the federal govt puts too much focus on terrorism and not enough on hurricanes, I am not feeling a lot of confidence at the moment.

For those that think this shouldn't be the Federal Govt's responsbility at all- well I think the New Orleans/Gulf Coast area serves far too much importance to the national economy to say that. NO is a very important port for the entire country, and I don't even have to mention the oil issues.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 17:39    Post subject: Reply with quote




http://junkyardblog.net/

has some other info and rabblings on the buses
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 18:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how the title to this thread reads, "this isn't a joke."

YOU'VE GOT MY ATTENTION, NOW JUST TELL ME MORE.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 18:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conqueso wrote:
I dont know where the hell that came from Orbit. It is also obvious that you do not know much about the greater Houston area but it's a moot point and not at all what I was trying to point out. I was pointing out that there should be plans in place and solid arrangements made. Reading NO's evacuation plan, it keeps things very non-specific:

Quote:
P.13.5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

P.20.2. Announce the location of staging areas for people who need transportation. Public transportation will concentrate on moving people from the staging areas to safety in hose parishes...

P.29.2. Transportation vehicles will be pre-positioned to transport residents to shelters.



hard to tell if these pics are post katrina or not. like this one does look like it with rivers of oil running out of the buses.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

kireol wrote:

hard to tell if these pics are post katrina or not. like this one does look like it with rivers of oil running out of the buses.


http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/katrina/new_orleans_msi_aug31_2005_dg.jpg

that is whole pix, the buses are on the right side


there is many pixs there and a pdf there also http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/katrina/
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 21:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Spiritz wrote:
I'm not a democrat.

I don't blame Bush for the Hurricane or the damage done to N.O. or any other city.

I'm not "hating" on Bush.

I'm stating a fact. The situation could have been controlled on Tuesday, but they waited until Friday.

Own your b******t.


Idiot.


I love beating you every time. Thanks Kbarr.


Idiot.


You have to be the dumbest self proclaimed smart person I've ever seen.

Thanks again Kbarr, everytime you post you secure my superiority over you. I'm going to take my son to the park now; and I expect several more posts from you by the time I return that will boost my ego even more.

Own your b******t Kbarr.


Idiot!
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 22:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brael wrote:
That picture has 132 school and 94 city busses if I counted right.

There's another yard to the southwest. Bound to be additional ones. The New Orleans school system owns 205 buses and the New Orleans public transit owns 364 buses.

As as side note, looks like other areas of the world are looking at their levees now: Dutch Anti-Flood Plans to Be Reviewed

Stumbled on a video of the hurricane hitting Gulfport. Although NO received major flooding damage, I really think Mississippi took the brunt of the storm: Katrina Video
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 22:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend delivers nissan cars on one of those big trucks. he showed me a picture of the lot where he picks up from in NO. Over 500 vehicles completely underwater.
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Kbarr wrote:
A friend delivers nissan cars on one of those big trucks. he showed me a picture of the lot where he picks up from in NO. Over 500 vehicles completely underwater.


Beware of great deals on Nissan's in the northern states in the coming months.

Happens quote often with boats. You'll see a great looking boat for a great price. Chances are it was sunk off the Florida coast, dried out and shipped north. The salt water will have already begun to eat the boat until it falls apart, a few months later.
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 22:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread was worth reading just for the comparison of Bush to Mackaveli!
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PostPosted: 09/04/05 - 22:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samiam wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
A friend delivers nissan cars on one of those big trucks. he showed me a picture of the lot where he picks up from in NO. Over 500 vehicles completely underwater.


Beware of great deals on Nissan's in the northern states in the coming months.

Happens quote often with boats. You'll see a great looking boat for a great price. Chances are it was sunk off the Florida coast, dried out and shipped north. The salt water will have already begun to eat the boat until it falls apart, a few months later.


I asked, he said that was impossible. Nissan will crunch them all he insists. They don't even part them out.
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PostPosted: 09/06/05 - 12:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owyyn wrote:


You watch too much TV. California is never going to sink into the ocean. The fault doesn't move like that.


NO WAY!! KURT RUSSELL IS GOING TO RULE THE PRISON COLONY ON THE NEW ISLAND BROKE AWAY FROM THE EARTHQUAKE! OMG DON'T YOU WATCH THE MOVIES?!?!

It was a figure of speech. Like Hurricane Katrina turned New Orleans into a swimming pool.

I know that California won't litterally sink into the ocean. However, if a 8-10.0 magnitude earthquake the potential tsumanis and earthquake damage will be devistating. Is California prepared?
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