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 Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:06 Post subject: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon .....
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:10 Post subject:
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They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush.
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:10 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Maintaining proper levies won't make the rich nearly as rich as securing an oil rich nation. It's a matter of priorities.
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Frax
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:13 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Samiam wrote: | | Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Maintaining proper levies won't make the rich nearly as rich as securing an oil rich nation. It's a matter of priorities. |
Who did you vote for?
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:17 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:22 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense.
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Frax
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:23 Post subject:
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
That would require braincells capable of transmit and receive, not everyone is so blessed!
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Brash
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:25 Post subject:
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources .
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:31 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Frax wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Maintaining proper levies won't make the rich nearly as rich as securing an oil rich nation. It's a matter of priorities. |
Who did you vote for? |
What the hell does that have to do with the price of a grande latte at Starbucks? (Edited to Americanize)
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:32 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation.
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Bush himself isn't responsible for NO. It was the combination of his like-minded groupies (who seem to worship $$$ and disregard science - a lethal combination) and the morons who built the city there in the first place.
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense.
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 01:57 Post subject:
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| Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's (english much?) buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
How are you deducting this when I haven't even given my opinion? There are always 'trends' in society, trying to peg that to me is very ignorant consdering how individualistic I am. You're going off of pure speculation of what you think of other Americans so you can make broad generilizations about what I've said.
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 02:02 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
Actually some truth to this, unfortunatly.
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Bush and the military industrial complex used their weather altering satelites to generate the hurricane and then to hit New Orleans because it's full of darkies and they wanted to ruin the US economy so the rich could get richer and too keep the poor down and in their proper place. Also because it would drive the oil prices up and Cheney and Haliburton could use the $$ to kill more innocent palestinians - all part of their neocon zionist conspiracy no doubt.
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's (english much?) buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
How are you deducting this when I haven't even given my opinion? There are always 'trends' in society, trying to peg that to me is very ignorant consdering how individualistic I am. You're going off of pure speculation of what you think of other Americans so you can make broad generilizations about what I've said. |
Point taken. I latched onto your suspicion of liberal bias, my point being that it's all bias. You rarely get the real facts. You get one faction's version of truth or the others, and the argument ends up being religious. I apologize and realize now that I mistook your skepticism for the opposing view.
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| Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's (english much?) buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
How are you deducting this when I haven't even given my opinion? There are always 'trends' in society, trying to peg that to me is very ignorant consdering how individualistic I am. You're going off of pure speculation of what you think of other Americans so you can make broad generilizations about what I've said. |
Point taken. I latched onto your suspicion of liberal bias, my point being that it's all bias. You rarely get the real facts. You get one faction's version of truth or the others, and the argument ends up being religious. I apologize and realize now that I mistook your skepticism for the opposing view. |
I'll trade you a ' in bozos for an 'a' in generalizations.
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Tell you what I am from this section of the country.. Know where he took the money from before you post this stupid shit... He took the money that was to make the leeves to survive a cat 3 storm. This project was complete the money got put elese where minus the 20% for maintance. The money that was assigned completed its project..
Taking the money or not would have made 0 difference. They were made to stand a cat 3 storm not a cat 5 or 4.
Once again you and the rest of the fucktards looking to blame something on him, try to pin something that was put in motion well before his time. Look at the hurricanes that have hit this city in the past for a clue (Bettsy). The army corp of engr. is under more than that for designing something that would not prevent the big one from doing this and this storm was not the big one, just a big one...
In case you are not aware the big one would be a cat 5 or cat 6 storm if they make a new cat which Katrina would prob fit. goes up the mouth of the mississippi which would put N.O. on the east side of the eye..
Here is a great example of someone talking out of there ass. this has been known since the 50's not a year or 2 ago. but once again trys to put blame on everyone in office now. Even if they would have taken this a year ago, you know as well as I do a year is not enough time. Maybe they will listen to the pleas for funding to fill the coastal errosion. That is where the real problem is.. It is wetlands all the way to N.O. Helping prevent the loss of land mass is the only thing to weaken as storm like this. But this has been a on going fight since I was a kid and actually before that.
http://www.btimes.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=4744&sID=3
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's (english much?) buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
How are you deducting this when I haven't even given my opinion? There are always 'trends' in society, trying to peg that to me is very ignorant consdering how individualistic I am. You're going off of pure speculation of what you think of other Americans so you can make broad generilizations about what I've said. |
Point taken. I latched onto your suspicion of liberal bias, my point being that it's all bias. You rarely get the real facts. You get one faction's version of truth or the others, and the argument ends up being religious. I apologize and realize now that I mistook your skepticism for the opposing view. |
I'll trade you a ' in bozos for an 'a' in generalizations. |
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I think it's easy to see that New Orleans is at risk, due to their geographic location, to be hit by a hurricane. It's also pretty easy to see that they are below sea level and also very near the ocean. Now, 5 years ago if you approached me with these 2 givens, and then told me that the levees designed to hold the water back weren't designed to withstand a hurricane or small tidal wave, and would rupture in the wake of said force of nature, I'd have told you that those things need to be strengthened immediately regardless of cost.
It seems to be a MAJOR oversight to me that, given two events in the last 4 years that have a signifigant bearing on those levees, nothing has been done to strengthen them. First, after 9/11, it should have been brought to someone's attention as a possible terrorist attack point. Couple sticks of dynamite, and you can flood half of a city. Second, and much more recent and relevant, when they had that tsunami in Asia, those responsible for the levees should have noticed that the levees in NO weren't capable of withstanding any sort of natural disaster, and should have done something to remedy that.
Step back from the propaganda machine for a second, and just look at it as a human. Somebody screwed up here. I'm not sure who did it and what their punishment should be, but this was an oversight that's going to cost billions of dollars and possibly 1000+ lives. This is no different than bulding a bridge in California that can't withstand a quake bigger than a 4 on the richter.
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the war offset some of the largest oil markets in the middle east. As oil is being dicovered and exploited around africa there is hope that there will be a slight drop in oil prices in the next two years.
I believe the west coast will continue to remain 3rd in line when it comes to reasonable gas prices. Gas prices are practically inversly proportional to economic development in the bay area.
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| ATM Banana wrote: | the war offset some of the largest oil markets in the middle east. As oil is being dicovered and exploited around africa there is hope that there will be a slight drop in oil prices in the next two years.
I believe the west coast will continue to remain 3rd in line when it comes to reasonable gas prices. Gas prices are practically inversly proportional to economic development in the bay area. |
Actually I just got done commenting that so far we seem to have been spared the initial price gouging going on. I just filled up my car for 2.65 a gallon in preparation for my Labor Day weekend trip. Yeah I saw some places offering it for 3.15 but I simply didn't stop there. Try this site GasBuddy and hope it holds out through the weekend.
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Samiam = Maelstrom?
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 05:26 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
Regardless, the city of New Orleans should never have been built. There's no fighting the power of mother nature. No pumping system in the world is going to hold back the pacific ocean and a category 5 hurricane when the city's f*****g below sea level.
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| NickPSH wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They said that money was appropriated in 1996 and has been just one of many piggy banks. Congress has probably been moving the money, not clinton or bush. |
i'd like to know more |
Then why don't you take all this passion and bias hatred you have and focus it on researching a topic. Listening to something on the radio and making a few speculations is nonsense. |
i just heard it a few min ago on my way home .normally NPR radio is a pretty reliable source ..... certainly more reliable than most new sources . |
Why not try listening to a radio source that doesn't admit a liberal bias? I wouldn't doubt if they spun the story. You prove that 'Bush' himself pushed for removal of New Orleans Levee workers with prior knowledge of a 'natural disaster' threatening the area and I'll change my dispassionate logical opinion of the situation. |
Your country is hopelessly polarized. Truth and fact mean nothing. Belief is based on political agenda, and it's morphed into their version of "truth" by both factions. People latch on and get their version of truth to the point where you're arguing not fact, but religious belief - and no one wins. You bozo's (english much?) buy one side or the other's rhetoric hook line and sinker at the expense of common sense. |
How are you deducting this when I haven't even given my opinion? There are always 'trends' in society, trying to peg that to me is very ignorant consdering how individualistic I am. You're going off of pure speculation of what you think of other Americans so you can make broad generilizations about what I've said. |
You gave an opinion when you said that NPR news shows are "liberally biased". There are political programs on NPR, both liberal and conservative; the news isn't biased one way or another, it's a presentation of facts.
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 10:32 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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Regardless, the city of New Orleans should never have been built. There's no fighting the power of mother nature. No pumping system in the world is going to hold back the pacific ocean and a category 5 hurricane when the city's f*****g below sea level. |
my thoughts totally
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 10:33 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Xion wrote: | | Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
Regardless, the city of New Orleans should never have been built. There's no fighting the power of mother nature. No pumping system in the world is going to hold back the pacific ocean and a category 5 hurricane when the city's f*****g below sea level. |
The Pacific is on the other side of the U.S.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 11:57 Post subject:
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IceIsFun
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 12:04 Post subject: Re: is bush responsible for new orleans? this isn't a joke
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| Rennol wrote: | | Xion wrote: | | Brash wrote: | i was listening to NPR on my way home from work tonight and i heard this ....
They said that Bush took away 80% of the army core of engineers funding for building and maintaining the levies in new orleans . The money instead was "specifically" ear marked for the war in Iraq. So rather than rebuild and improve them like they had planed they had to just patch them together in a weak manor.
Take this for what its worth but If it is true, Bush is in a world of hurt very soon ..... |
Regardless, the city of New Orleans should never have been built. There's no fighting the power of mother nature. No pumping system in the world is going to hold back the pacific ocean and a category 5 hurricane when the city's f*****g below sea level. |
The Pacific is on the other side of the U.S. |
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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