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sinrakin
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 Posted: 08/16/05 - 17:49 Post subject: interesting article about the guy killed by British police
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Apparently the official inquiry is still going on, but some material may have leaked out. They say closed circuit TV cameras show he walked in at a normal pace, wearing a denim jacket, and didn't run until he saw a train at the platform. The only reason they shot him was because of a mistaken ID. Pretty scary if this turns out to be true.
http://www.itn.co.uk/news/1677571.html
| Quote: | Mistakes led to tube shooting
8.25PM, Tue Aug 16 2005
ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.
The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.
The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.
Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.
By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.
The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.
He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.
He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.
A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator.
The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat.
"Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification."
A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.
"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.
"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."
The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage.
Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated |
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Occulis
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Posted: 08/16/05 - 18:58 Post subject:
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At some point people will realize there are better things to busy themselves with than killing and hating each other. Dunno when.
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merdocc
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Posted: 08/16/05 - 19:08 Post subject:
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That would require the end of hatred, religion, fear, poverty, greed, power and uhh insert thing that make humans kill eachother.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/16/05 - 19:27 Post subject:
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Apparently they broadcast some information subsequent to that article that said the reason the ID got screwed up was the surveillance officer who was watching the flat and made the identification was "relieving himself" at the moment when the guy emerged, so he was unable to get a photograph and said that "it would be worth someone else making a followup identification", but nobody ever did, and in the confusion the fact that the ID wasn't all that positive got forgotton. So basically this guy was killed because someone had to take a leak at exactly the wrong time.
Assuming the info is accurate.
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atarom
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Posted: 08/16/05 - 19:41 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | At some point people will realize there are better things to busy themselves with than killing and hating each other. Dunno when. |
not in your grandchildren's liftime probably.
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Pags
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Posted: 08/16/05 - 19:48 Post subject:
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| atarom wrote: | | Occulis wrote: | | At some point people will realize there are better things to busy themselves with than killing and hating each other. Dunno when. |
not in your grandchildren's liftime probably. |
Or humanities' lifetime.
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