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Tolanin
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I would just like to note for the record that I dislike humans as a species. Emotion has no place in discussion or decision.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:16 Post subject:
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Honestly I dont suport this shit and hate anyone who does it but your a f*****g retard and I just cant let it stand, Dling free porn doesnt suport anyone, this is like saying my 3 gigs of mp3s are suporting the record industry lol, generally to be suported you actually need to buy something or watch advertisements for products that pay the industry, this would be like saying going into a pedophiles house and stealing porn is somehow suporting an industry..
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you are suporting it by creating a demand for it you want to see the shit and some sick f**k out there wants you to see it . Alot of them don't care if you pay for it or not . not to mention the files are now on your PC and you are sharing them with other kazza users . If that is not suporting it i have no idea what is ..... |
Perhaps but i still see no tangible link, if you did not get the porn it would still be there and it is doubtful that the sickos who make it would stop just because people no longer dled it.. as far as sharing i didnt consider that, maybe thats a way of suporting the transfer but not really suporting the continuation of the act on more people.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:24 Post subject:
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| themy wrote: | | anyways, maybe people like brash should learn how to control their kids if they don't want them f*****g random dudes who will video tape them. Good parenting would eliminate all that for sure. you just know some crack ho mom and dad aren't watching the kids that participate in that sort of crap. |
You are so small minded . We are not worried about the kids with good parents here . I am worried about the ones with shit parents . Even the ones with great parents but the child was victimized by a teacher , uncle , brother .......... The ones who were exposed/victimized by **** at young ages . makes it easy to manipulate them latter. The people who should love and protect them have failed them so badly that the law has no choice to step in and be there for them. The brady bunch is the the target here......
I think some of you are mistaken when you think that most the 16/17 porn is done by some normal healthy kids who were just having a good time on film. I'm sure 95% of them are victims of something horrible and some a*****e exploiting thier weakness. That is why the law is there and why it needs to be inforced.....
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hitachi
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:33 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | themy wrote: | | anyways, maybe people like brash should learn how to control their kids if they don't want them f*****g random dudes who will video tape them. Good parenting would eliminate all that for sure. you just know some crack ho mom and dad aren't watching the kids that participate in that sort of crap. |
You are so small minded . We are not worried about the kids with good parents here . I am worried about the ones with shit parents . Even the ones with great parents but the child was victimized by a teacher , uncle , brother .......... The ones who were exposed/victimized by **** at young ages . makes it easy to manipulate them latter. The people who should love and protect them have failed them so badly that the law has no choice to step in and be there for them. The brady bunch is the the target here......
I think some of you are mistaken when you think that most the 16/17 porn is done by some normal healthy kids who were just having a good time on film. I'm sure 95% of them are victims of something horrible and some a*****e exploiting thier weakness. That is why the law is there and why it needs to be inforced..... |
no you arent. you are just making that fact up without researching it all because you need something to support your arguement, not that i disagree with your overall point.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:35 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: |
Honestly I dont suport this shit and hate anyone who does it but your a f*****g retard and I just cant let it stand, Dling free porn doesnt suport anyone, this is like saying my 3 gigs of mp3s are suporting the record industry lol, generally to be suported you actually need to buy something or watch advertisements for products that pay the industry, this would be like saying going into a pedophiles house and stealing porn is somehow suporting an industry..
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you are suporting it by creating a demand for it you want to see the shit and some sick f**k out there wants you to see it . Alot of them don't care if you pay for it or not . not to mention the files are now on your PC and you are sharing them with other kazza users . If that is not suporting it i have no idea what is ..... |
Perhaps but i still see no tangible link, if you did not get the porn it would still be there and it is doubtful that the sickos who make it would stop just because people no longer dled it.. as far as sharing i didnt consider that, maybe thats a way of suporting the transfer but not really suporting the continuation of the act on more people. |
do the math man . just like anything in the world . with no demand there will be little or no supply. by being part of the demand you are part of the problem. Yes by sharing it you are suporting it . Alot of the people who see that pic/movie may deside they like it and want to see more . there again raiseing the demand for more kiddie porn . If you really have tricked yourself into thinking you can own, share and enjoy kiddie porn and not be part the the problem just because you did not pay for it , than you were morally corrupt to begin with ....
Not to mention by looking at and enjoying the kiddie porn you are "moraly" suporting the victimization that that particular little kid
blows my mind how meny of you come to the defence of these people . really makes you wonder
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Brash
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:41 Post subject:
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| hitachi wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | themy wrote: | | anyways, maybe people like brash should learn how to control their kids if they don't want them f*****g random dudes who will video tape them. Good parenting would eliminate all that for sure. you just know some crack ho mom and dad aren't watching the kids that participate in that sort of crap. |
You are so small minded . We are not worried about the kids with good parents here . I am worried about the ones with shit parents . Even the ones with great parents but the child was victimized by a teacher , uncle , brother .......... The ones who were exposed/victimized by **** at young ages . makes it easy to manipulate them latter. The people who should love and protect them have failed them so badly that the law has no choice to step in and be there for them. The brady bunch is the the target here......
I think some of you are mistaken when you think that most the 16/17 porn is done by some normal healthy kids who were just having a good time on film. I'm sure 95% of them are victims of something horrible and some a*****e exploiting thier weakness. That is why the law is there and why it needs to be inforced..... |
no you arent. you are just making that fact up without researching it all because you need something to support your arguement. |
you are right . i just made a figure up .hence the way i worded it ...... but Jesus Christ man , it doesn't take a brain surgeon or more than an once of common sense to know these are not happy, healthy kids with wonderfull childhoods who gravitate to a career in porn at ages 1 to 17 all on their own ..... come on man you know better than that .....
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Tolanin
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:51 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: |
Honestly I dont suport this shit and hate anyone who does it but your a f*****g retard and I just cant let it stand, Dling free porn doesnt suport anyone, this is like saying my 3 gigs of mp3s are suporting the record industry lol, generally to be suported you actually need to buy something or watch advertisements for products that pay the industry, this would be like saying going into a pedophiles house and stealing porn is somehow suporting an industry..
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you are suporting it by creating a demand for it you want to see the shit and some sick f**k out there wants you to see it . Alot of them don't care if you pay for it or not . not to mention the files are now on your PC and you are sharing them with other kazza users . If that is not suporting it i have no idea what is ..... |
Perhaps but i still see no tangible link, if you did not get the porn it would still be there and it is doubtful that the sickos who make it would stop just because people no longer dled it.. as far as sharing i didnt consider that, maybe thats a way of suporting the transfer but not really suporting the continuation of the act on more people. |
do the math man . just like anything in the world . with no demand there will be little or no supply. by being part of the demand you are part of the problem. Yes by sharing it you are suporting it . Alot of the people who see that pic/movie may deside they like it and want to see more . there again raiseing the demand for more kiddie porn . If you really have tricked yourself into thinking you can own, share and enjoy kiddie porn and not be part the the problem just because you did not pay for it , than you were morally corrupt to begin with ....
Not to mention by looking at and enjoying the kiddie porn you are "moraly" suporting the victimization that that particular little kid
blows my mind how meny of you come to the defence of these people . really makes you wonder |
Well honestly your understanding of economics in this particular situation is lacking, supply and demand does not apply to things where there is no payment for the supply.. lets use rice as an example, if there was free rice for the poor people that the farmers just gave out for no reason at all other than they had extra (thus no profit to them) if all of a sudden all the poor people who consumed the rice died the farmer would not care, they were not paying customers anyway, other than being nice giving it to them was esentially no different than letting it rot in the fields. the other way to look at it is from the otherside to see the further break down of the system, if the poor people were starving and dieing because they had no rice the farmers would have no incentive to make more, though there is a demand for more supply there is no point in providing it, it requires more work and no profit to do it. Supply and demand is a flawed thing in and of itself, it should really read supply and demand with addequate compensation offered.
As far as suport or defence I simply dont care, I only argued the point to make it clear that whether or not the person did this there would have been the same number of children being victimized. Whether it was children or rice is made no difference, the point is the same, children are as common and worthless as grains of rice anyway.
The same goes for the punishment, if tomorow i found out he was executed my only arguement would be the punishment did not coincide with the normal standard punishment... other than that i wouldnt care.
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Yabden
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| ATM Banana wrote: | i say, if there'd grass on the field play ball.
otherwise it's just sick. |
If there is no grass in the infield go out back and play in the mud.........
im just kidding pediphiles are sick
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 23:56 Post subject:
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I fail to understand how you find consentual "normal" porn between 2 people even if they are 16 or 17 more disgusting then the rape of a 20 year old. Or a video of a woman having **** with a lobster. Or a girl being burned with fire while she is tied down and crying. Or some sobbing japanese 20 year old forced to drink someone's urine or eat their feces. Now I realize that the examples i gave are fairly extreme, but they are easily downloadable if you wish to view them, and short of selling them they are completely legal (as far as I know).
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The 16 year olds having **** is not the problem ist the fact that they are bing filmed for other peoples entertainment . with a large number of them making money so in a way they are whoring themselfs out at age 16. the other problem is you have somehow brought it down to just "consentual normal porn between 2 people" when in fact that is not all that is happening,
BTW all the sick things you have watched there are 100% illegal for anyone to do if both people are not willing participants . 100% illegal to share or profit from if both peopleare not both willing participants is that sick shit. if they both are than no harm no foul. people can do whatever they want to themselfs. Yes these are bad . maybe even worse but just because one thing is worse than another doesnt somehow change how bad the other is .....
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Brash
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 00:06 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: |
Honestly I dont suport this shit and hate anyone who does it but your a f*****g retard and I just cant let it stand, Dling free porn doesnt suport anyone, this is like saying my 3 gigs of mp3s are suporting the record industry lol, generally to be suported you actually need to buy something or watch advertisements for products that pay the industry, this would be like saying going into a pedophiles house and stealing porn is somehow suporting an industry..
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you are suporting it by creating a demand for it you want to see the shit and some sick f**k out there wants you to see it . Alot of them don't care if you pay for it or not . not to mention the files are now on your PC and you are sharing them with other kazza users . If that is not suporting it i have no idea what is ..... |
Perhaps but i still see no tangible link, if you did not get the porn it would still be there and it is doubtful that the sickos who make it would stop just because people no longer dled it.. as far as sharing i didnt consider that, maybe thats a way of suporting the transfer but not really suporting the continuation of the act on more people. |
do the math man . just like anything in the world . with no demand there will be little or no supply. by being part of the demand you are part of the problem. Yes by sharing it you are suporting it . Alot of the people who see that pic/movie may deside they like it and want to see more . there again raiseing the demand for more kiddie porn . If you really have tricked yourself into thinking you can own, share and enjoy kiddie porn and not be part the the problem just because you did not pay for it , than you were morally corrupt to begin with ....
Not to mention by looking at and enjoying the kiddie porn you are "moraly" suporting the victimization that that particular little kid
blows my mind how meny of you come to the defence of these people . really makes you wonder |
Well honestly your understanding of economics in this particular situation is lacking, supply and demand does not apply to things where there is no payment for the supply.. lets use rice as an example, if there was free rice for the poor people that the farmers just gave out for no reason at all other than they had extra (thus no profit to them) if all of a sudden all the poor people who consumed the rice died the farmer would not care, they were not paying customers anyway, other than being nice giving it to them was esentially no different than letting it rot in the fields. the other way to look at it is from the otherside to see the further break down of the system, if the poor people were starving and dieing because they had no rice the farmers would have no incentive to make more, though there is a demand for more supply there is no point in providing it, it requires more work and no profit to do it. Supply and demand is a flawed thing in and of itself, it should really read supply and demand with addequate compensation offered.
As far as suport or defence I simply dont care, I only argued the point to make it clear that whether or not the person did this there would have been the same number of children being victimized. Whether it was children or rice is made no difference, the point is the same, children are as common and worthless as grains of rice anyway.
The same goes for the punishment, if tomorow i found out he was executed my only arguement would be the punishment did not coincide with the normal standard punishment... other than that i wouldnt care. |
You are missing the point here . this an't rice . it's child porn. alot of sick f***s do it just for the fulfillment of knowing other people see it. would he stop just because you didn't want to see it anymore ? im sure not . but would there be less people doing it of noone wanted to see it ? id have use common sense and take an educated guess and say yes. so being part of the demand is supporting it and being part of the problem and child porn community.
how about someone gets it off your PC , desides he likes it and then goes to place where he can pay for it . shows some friends . they like it ........... even if something small like that happens you could be a direct link to another child being molested
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Renork
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 00:08 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | In other news I like to rename gay porn as shit like "13 year old lolita anal SCREAMER" and let people download it.
Apparently I'm not the only one with this genius idea though because I downloaded something that was supposed to be britney spears giving a b*****b and got some dude getting decapitated with an apparently very high quality army knife.
Anyway I guess the moral of the story is to be careful before you play your videos cause odds are they're not what the title says. |
Holy shit this happened to me too. It was on ground covered in small rocks right? But he wasnt realy decapitated it was more like in to neck in front of spine then out the front.  i had pretty much forgoten about this too, oh well
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Tolanin
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 00:22 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: |
Honestly I dont suport this shit and hate anyone who does it but your a f*****g retard and I just cant let it stand, Dling free porn doesnt suport anyone, this is like saying my 3 gigs of mp3s are suporting the record industry lol, generally to be suported you actually need to buy something or watch advertisements for products that pay the industry, this would be like saying going into a pedophiles house and stealing porn is somehow suporting an industry..
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you are suporting it by creating a demand for it you want to see the shit and some sick f**k out there wants you to see it . Alot of them don't care if you pay for it or not . not to mention the files are now on your PC and you are sharing them with other kazza users . If that is not suporting it i have no idea what is ..... |
Perhaps but i still see no tangible link, if you did not get the porn it would still be there and it is doubtful that the sickos who make it would stop just because people no longer dled it.. as far as sharing i didnt consider that, maybe thats a way of suporting the transfer but not really suporting the continuation of the act on more people. |
do the math man . just like anything in the world . with no demand there will be little or no supply. by being part of the demand you are part of the problem. Yes by sharing it you are suporting it . Alot of the people who see that pic/movie may deside they like it and want to see more . there again raiseing the demand for more kiddie porn . If you really have tricked yourself into thinking you can own, share and enjoy kiddie porn and not be part the the problem just because you did not pay for it , than you were morally corrupt to begin with ....
Not to mention by looking at and enjoying the kiddie porn you are "moraly" suporting the victimization that that particular little kid
blows my mind how meny of you come to the defence of these people . really makes you wonder |
Well honestly your understanding of economics in this particular situation is lacking, supply and demand does not apply to things where there is no payment for the supply.. lets use rice as an example, if there was free rice for the poor people that the farmers just gave out for no reason at all other than they had extra (thus no profit to them) if all of a sudden all the poor people who consumed the rice died the farmer would not care, they were not paying customers anyway, other than being nice giving it to them was esentially no different than letting it rot in the fields. the other way to look at it is from the otherside to see the further break down of the system, if the poor people were starving and dieing because they had no rice the farmers would have no incentive to make more, though there is a demand for more supply there is no point in providing it, it requires more work and no profit to do it. Supply and demand is a flawed thing in and of itself, it should really read supply and demand with addequate compensation offered.
As far as suport or defence I simply dont care, I only argued the point to make it clear that whether or not the person did this there would have been the same number of children being victimized. Whether it was children or rice is made no difference, the point is the same, children are as common and worthless as grains of rice anyway.
The same goes for the punishment, if tomorow i found out he was executed my only arguement would be the punishment did not coincide with the normal standard punishment... other than that i wouldnt care. |
You are missing the point here . this an't rice . it's child porn. alot of sick f***s do it just for the fulfillment of knowing other people see it. would he stop just because you didn't want to see it anymore ? im sure not . but would there be less people doing it of noone wanted to see it ? id have use common sense and take an educated guess and say yes. so being part of the demand is supporting it and being part of the problem and child porn community.
how about someone gets it off your PC , desides he likes it and then goes to place where he can pay for it . shows some friends . they like it ........... even if something small like that happens you could be a direct link to another child being molested |
Haha "its not rice its a child porn" what a truely flawed statement, of course they are different from a perspective of morals but from a perspective that discounts morals they are the same, and logically the things that apply to one will apply to the other.. being part of the demand is not a problem as long as you are not part of the paying demand in this case or part of a supply chain, if you supply it to people it could be a problem, you wanting to impose your morals on people and people spreading more of this is a problem in doing that. You continue to use supply and demand in your arguement even after I have pointed out that it does not apply to this situation, unless the person takes some sadistic joy in knowing they are spreading these things it is no different than putting your recipe for chocolate chip cookies up on kazaa, if no one dled them would you stop making cookies and trying new recipes? Doubtful, if you are not doing it for a profit it is most likely out of a personal joy for the activity. This would of course discount a insane person who does it purely out of the pleasure in knowing he is spreading these things yes but i believe that to be a minority, there is no evidence linking this morally wrong behavior to clinical insanity.
To truely see this issue you must look at it without emotion, the child matters no more than a grain of rice, both are/were living, both will eventually die, both will forget anything they ever knew eventually. From this perspective it is more clear that the situation does not harm anyone, and applying random insane activitys to people who take the pictures with no proof does not strengthen your arguement.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 00:29 Post subject:
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ok i give up. if it is not clear to you that owning , enjoying , sharing or making child porn is wrong than i don't think what anyone here says will change your mind.
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Tolanin
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tell me why its wrong, it might damage a few children but there are more, the only threat would be if the problem grew to such levels as to threaten the existence of the human race, argueably our only purpose on this world is to further that existence and that purpose is only dictated by instinct and not by any real meaning, would it truely matter in the end? Will anything?
(btw in case you havent noticed I have just been going devils advocate with this to see how far I could make you think out the issue ;p)
Its amusing to go down the i dont really care, why do you? road cause eventually it just leads to people stopping the discussion because after a point all the arguements break down and the only way to continue is to get theological.(in which case it just comes to a stalemate ;p)
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 00:39 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | tell me why its wrong, it might damage a few children but there are more, the only threat would be if the problem grew to such levels as to threaten the existence of the human race, argueably our only purpose on this world is to further that existence and that purpose is only dictated by instinct and not by any real meaning, would it truely matter in the end? Will anything?
(btw in case you havent noticed I have just been going devils advocate with this to see how far I could make you think out the issue ;p) |
that argument applies to anything that is conventionally thought of as wrong and so really doesnt apply to anything.
you can hide behind being the " devils advocate" but i think your true colors have shown here today
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:01 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | tell me why its wrong, it might damage a few children but there are more, the only threat would be if the problem grew to such levels as to threaten the existence of the human race, argueably our only purpose on this world is to further that existence and that purpose is only dictated by instinct and not by any real meaning, would it truely matter in the end? Will anything?
(btw in case you havent noticed I have just been going devils advocate with this to see how far I could make you think out the issue ;p) |
that argument applies to anything that is conventionally thought of as wrong and so really doesnt apply to anything.
you can hide behind being the " devils advocate" but i think your true colors have shown here today |
if that were true it would only have shown that I dont care, I never made a case for why I thought it was right only that I dont care and tried to point out to you how it really doesnt matter.
Personally I dont like child porn, I dont even find much joy in normal porn.
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I'm sorry you're an idiot. If the act of 2 16 year old's having **** in and of itself isn't wrong and/or offensive. Then there is no reason why viewing it should be. There is no hard and fast measure of a person's sense of understanding that allows or disallows them to engage in pornography, believing that age past a point does is idiotic. The reasoning powers of a 16 vs 18 year old cannot be greatly different in their capacitys to perform.
Again you use your stupid thoughtless argument whichever way it suits you at the moment. If them engaging in consentual pornography is wrong, then how is not wrong for people engaging in consentual b******l acts of depravity that I listed in my last message? In both cases they are obviously being used at someones elses expense. Please don't tell me a 16 year old being used in a normal pornographic films is worse then some random 20+ year old girl being gang raped on film. Rape by it's definition is also non-consentual, which you seemed to ignore.
The last time I checked speeding tickets are graded based on how fast you were going over in most cases. Why? Becuase doing 30 in a 25mpg is not as dangerous as doing 130mph.
What's my point?
To treat all child pornography as the same regardless of the perticipants age is not only irresponsible it is stupid. To hate it based on morality but not dislike other acts of depravity simply becuase of a 12% difference in the victims age is morally irresponsible and in my opinion almost as sick as the people who engage in it.
Simply put, you are a f*****g idiot who enjoys bashing people from a moral high horse built of sand. Your arguments have merit but your reasoning is completely and utterly flawed and naive to the point of lunacy.
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kiddy porn isn't just about economic gain, it's usually about power, controll, domination. By keeping this garbage on your harddrive and leaving it in your shared folder you are helping perpetuate the real problem.
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2 dogs might fight in the forrest of their own free will and thats ok, but taking them and making them fight for your entertainment is illegal because its cruel and abusive, 18 is the age that most states consider the legal limit, why? because they had to decide at some age and by 18 they feel most people are ready to handle making decisions on their own. This is an abitrary age limit yes but short of requiring people to take a maturity test to see if they can handle things its the best way to do it.
If you believe that most of the 16 year old **** videos that are probably circulating around are from people who would have engaged in the act anyway and did not perform it specifically for the video then you are mistaken.
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:18 Post subject:
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18 is not the legal limit for most states
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lauren000
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:24 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | | 18 is not the legal limit for most states |
Depending on the state, the age of consent is usually 16, 17, or 18. I still think it's reprehensible for 16 year olds to be making porn though regardless.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:24 Post subject:
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so Mugaaz , you would like to see 16 year old porn become legal then ?
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:27 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | so Mugaaz , you would like to see 16 year old porn become legal then ? |
after it's 16, we should start downloading 15. You know there isn't that big of difference between a 15 and a 16 year old.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:38 Post subject:
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Mugaaz may think it is ok to watch 12 year olds for all we know .
I'd like to know why at 17 we have laws to stop our kids from smoking , drinking , liveing on thier own , going to a strip club , skipping school , going to a casino , from having total control over thier bank acounts, staying out past midnight and takeing hazardous jobs like factory work. Yet we should let them start thier career in porn ? wtf are you thinking ..... f**k at 16 we just gave them the right to drive a car ..........
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:50 Post subject:
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oh the upside, atleast we don't outsource the porn industry.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 01:55 Post subject:
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this was in my local paper today .
Minneapolis man sentenced to 15 years for child pornography
Paul Gustafson, Star Tribune
Published January 21, 2004 BACH21
A Minneapolis man convicted of four child pornography charges was sentenced Tuesday in St. Paul to 15 years in federal prison by Senior U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson.
Dale R. Bach, 45, was convicted last July of manufacturing, possessing, receiving and distributing child pornography.
Prosecutors showed that he kept child pornography on computer discs and used his computer to transmit and receive it.
He also made a **** explicit picture of a minor and sent it over the Internet.
The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected Bach's challenge to having his e-mail searched, by Yahoo, an Internet service provider, at the government's request, without having a police officer present. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the case.
Bach was sentenced in December 2002 to six years in prison by Hennepin County District Judge Warren Sagstuen for using the Internet to lure a 13-year-old St. Paul boy for ****. He also has a conviction in St. Louis County for **** contact with a 14-year-old boy.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 02:30 Post subject:
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Thanks for making youreself even look like more of an idiot. My point was made clear-
| Quote: | To treat all child pornography as the same regardless of the perticipants age is not only irresponsible it is stupid. To hate it based on morality but not dislike other acts of depravity simply becuase of a 12% difference in the victims age is morally irresponsible and in my opinion almost as sick as the people who engage in it.
Simply put, you are a f*****g idiot who enjoys bashing people from a moral high horse built of sand. Your arguments have merit but your reasoning is completely and utterly flawed and naive to the point of lunacy. |
I think the laws for how they are punished should be scaled end of story. If the porn involves 17 year old then they get X amount of years. But if it involves 7 year old then they get X+200 years. You catching my drift? If child pornography is illegal becuase of moral reasons ( I'm not sure the exact reasons it's specific as illegal, i mean it's fairly obvious, but I mean from a legal standpoint ) then a lot of other porn should be illegal as well plain and simgple. If they do not then the law is stupid and unjust and just makes the entire issue deteriorate into chaos when things like what Themy posted happened. The laws need to be more exact and cover more issues, period. They are a joke in current form.
Want examples?
A teen age couple were engaging in **** from ages 15+, The boyfriend happened to film himself having **** with his girlfriend at some point in time when they were 16. His mother was cleaning his room and found the video and called her parents. They became furious and eventually for some reason the police caught wind of the situation. The boyfriend was charged with possession of child pornography. HOW f*****g STUPID IS THAT? There are more examples I can find, but it should be obvious to most already that the law is a joke, and to those whom it isn't I'm not going to bother with.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 02:49 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | Thanks for making youreself even look like more of an idiot. My point was made clear-
| Quote: | To treat all child pornography as the same regardless of the perticipants age is not only irresponsible it is stupid. To hate it based on morality but not dislike other acts of depravity simply becuase of a 12% difference in the victims age is morally irresponsible and in my opinion almost as sick as the people who engage in it.
Simply put, you are a f*****g idiot who enjoys bashing people from a moral high horse built of sand. Your arguments have merit but your reasoning is completely and utterly flawed and naive to the point of lunacy. |
I think the laws for how they are punished should be scaled end of story. If the porn involves 17 year old then they get X amount of years. But if it involves 7 year old then they get X+200 years. You catching my drift? If child pornography is illegal becuase of moral reasons ( I'm not sure the exact reasons it's specific as illegal, i mean it's fairly obvious, but I mean from a legal standpoint ) then a lot of other porn should be illegal as well plain and simgple. If they do not then the law is stupid and unjust and just makes the entire issue deteriorate into chaos when things like what Themy posted happened. The laws need to be more exact and cover more issues, period. They are a joke in current form.
Want examples?
A teen age couple were engaging in **** from ages 15+, The boyfriend happened to film himself having **** with his girlfriend at some point in time when they were 16. His mother was cleaning his room and found the video and called her parents. They became furious and eventually for some reason the police caught wind of the situation. The boyfriend was charged with possession of child pornography. HOW f*****g STUPID IS THAT? There are more examples I can find, but it should be obvious to most already that the law is a joke, and to those whom it isn't I'm not going to bother with. |
I don't believe that urban legend sorry mug. But I do get your point, it's lame that 5 grams of crack is more prison time than forcibly raping 3 women. And is bestiality really legal?
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 03:14 Post subject:
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my memory is vague but i believe it was linked on fark, If it matters i can double chekc
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 03:16 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | Thanks for making youreself even look like more of an idiot. My point was made clear-
| Quote: | To treat all child pornography as the same regardless of the perticipants age is not only irresponsible it is stupid. To hate it based on morality but not dislike other acts of depravity simply becuase of a 12% difference in the victims age is morally irresponsible and in my opinion almost as sick as the people who engage in it.
Simply put, you are a f*****g idiot who enjoys bashing people from a moral high horse built of sand. Your arguments have merit but your reasoning is completely and utterly flawed and naive to the point of lunacy. |
I think the laws for how they are punished should be scaled end of story. If the porn involves 17 year old then they get X amount of years. But if it involves 7 year old then they get X+200 years. You catching my drift? If child pornography is illegal becuase of moral reasons ( I'm not sure the exact reasons it's specific as illegal, i mean it's fairly obvious, but I mean from a legal standpoint ) then a lot of other porn should be illegal as well plain and simgple. If they do not then the law is stupid and unjust and just makes the entire issue deteriorate into chaos when things like what Themy posted happened. The laws need to be more exact and cover more issues, period. They are a joke in current form.
Want examples?
A teen age couple were engaging in **** from ages 15+, The boyfriend happened to film himself having **** with his girlfriend at some point in time when they were 16. His mother was cleaning his room and found the video and called her parents. They became furious and eventually for some reason the police caught wind of the situation. The boyfriend was charged with possession of child pornography. HOW f*****g STUPID IS THAT? There are more examples I can find, but it should be obvious to most already that the law is a joke, and to those whom it isn't I'm not going to bother with. |
idiot.
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