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Sometimes it seems like the only way we are going to win is genocide.
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Maldek
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bush & comp never gave a shit about anything but oil. if it wasnt for morale standards we would have just carpet-bombed iraq and paid halliburton to pave the place flat.
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Rennol
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moral and morale are two completely different words
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compusmack
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| Maldek wrote: | | bush & comp never gave a shit about anything but oil. if it wasnt for morale standards we would have just carpet-bombed iraq and paid halliburton to pave the place flat. |
Horribly wrong. It has nothing to do with the oil.
Why do people still cling to this ridiculous idea? We didn't get jack shit in terms of oil, why the hell do you think the prices are so high right now?
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Posted: 05/11/04 - 15:01 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | | Maldek wrote: | | bush & comp never gave a shit about anything but oil. if it wasnt for morale standards we would have just carpet-bombed iraq and paid halliburton to pave the place flat. |
Horribly wrong. It has nothing to do with the oil.
Why do people still cling to this ridiculous idea? We didn't get jack shit in terms of oil, why the hell do you think the prices are so high right now? |
maldek is a fool, what do you expect. He is an example of all the idiots in the US who need to die. They weaken the country and the human race in general.
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That's a sad story and I hope that those f*****s get what they deserve. That disgusts me to no end.
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sinrakin
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It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising.
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| sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian.
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Syke
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| Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian. |
You mean, thousands of accidental shootings/bombings? SCUMBAG INDEED!
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Posted: 05/11/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian. |
You mean, thousands of accidental shootings/bombings? SCUMBAG INDEED! |
No, I mean one...scumbag. No war has minimized civilian deaths so effectively as this one. And no war has prevented so many deaths as this one. Saddam has killed more civilians in a single day. So if you want to criticise America's minimal killing of civilians during the invasion, then you also must take responsibility for the violent murder of hundreds of thousands more. Congratulations. You support genocide.
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Zapper
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So basically you are condoning murder? Since Saddam killed many we can kill a few? You f*****g scumbag you think just like a Nazi.
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Posted: 05/11/04 - 16:25 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | So basically you are condoning murder? Since Saddam killed many we can kill a few? You f*****g scumbag you think just like a Nazi. |
Doing nothing condones murder. Stopping it doesn't. You condone genocide. You are worse than the worst of the nazis.
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some of our soldiers did publically humiliate iraqi prisoners; i would be mad also.
you cannot expect them to have the same worldview and moral values as you do.
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| Booker wrote: | some of our soldiers did publically humiliate iraqi prisoners; i would be mad also.
you cannot expect them to have the same worldview and moral values as you do. |
were you trying to write a haiku?
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Haroun Zehra
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1. I don't doubt that it is wrong for a foreigner to kill an American because of a political agenda. However, if you want to be taken seriously, show us that you care about Americans killing Americans for their wallets, their cars, their wives, every single day, first.
2. The whole thing may not be ALL about oil. However, if you don't think it's at least partially about oil, well, you're foolish.
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Xthos
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You people need to learn the difference between a accident and murder. I was in the Army, and NO ONE I knew would aim and shoot at a 6 year old innocent girl and purposfully kill her.
Bombs unfortunately had to be dropped to defeat Saddam, yes innocent people died, but they thought less innocent people would die if they could kill him and get him out of the way early. It was a move to reduce the loss of innocent life, not a careless, who gives a shit who we kill thing. The civilian casualties are rediculously low for a war, yeah it sucks it has to even be one person...but Saddam wasn't going to just say heres my keys to the kingdom. That guy had to go imo, he killed and starved more people then we will accidently kill...So while its bad, its a improvement. I do not second guess Saddam needing to go, but I do wonder if those religious zealots will ever be able to have a goverment that doesnt treat them like shit and rule by terror. I am not saying everyone in Iraq is like that, but their is enough to spoil it for the decent people, I am beginning to think.
Recent polls showed that the Iraqis didn't really like the US, but they thought Iraq would be better off in 5 years without Saddam then they would of with him.
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Confused
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | 1. I don't doubt that it is wrong for a foreigner to kill an American because of a political agenda. However, if you want to be taken seriously, show us that you care about Americans killing Americans for their wallets, their cars, their wives, every single day, first.
2. The whole thing may not be ALL about oil. However, if you don't think it's at least partially about oil, well, you're foolish. |
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| Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian. |
You mean, thousands of accidental shootings/bombings? SCUMBAG INDEED! |
No, I mean one...scumbag. No war has minimized civilian deaths so effectively as this one. And no war has prevented so many deaths as this one. Saddam has killed more civilians in a single day. So if you want to criticise America's minimal killing of civilians during the invasion, then you also must take responsibility for the violent murder of hundreds of thousands more. Congratulations. You support genocide. |
It's a tricky situation, but there are other solutions I am sure of it.
Thanks for stereotyping once again though.. Can't get enough of it, can you?
I'd like to coin your little phrase..."Whatever you need to say to make you feel better about yourself."
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Xthos
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Posted: 05/11/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | 1. I don't doubt that it is wrong for a foreigner to kill an American because of a political agenda. However, if you want to be taken seriously, show us that you care about Americans killing Americans for their wallets, their cars, their wives, every single day, first.
2. The whole thing may not be ALL about oil. However, if you don't think it's at least partially about oil, well, you're foolish. |
1. WTF are you talking about, the US is the only country with crime? Last checked the police arrest, and judges put people in jail for stealing and killing.... If we didn't give a shit, we would fire all the cops and judges. I guess I am just missing your point here....
2. I will tell you how oil figures into this, Iraq is a rich country because of the oil. So it makes him more capable of being a threat and a menace, verse another country with the same attrocities going on, i.e. some of the african nations that are like Iraq, but poor. Sadly one people suffering shouldn't be greater then anothers, but it is.
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Confused
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian. |
You mean, thousands of accidental shootings/bombings? SCUMBAG INDEED! |
No, I mean one...scumbag. No war has minimized civilian deaths so effectively as this one. And no war has prevented so many deaths as this one. Saddam has killed more civilians in a single day. So if you want to criticise America's minimal killing of civilians during the invasion, then you also must take responsibility for the violent murder of hundreds of thousands more. Congratulations. You support genocide. |
It's a tricky situation, but there are other solutions I am sure of it.
Thanks for stereotyping once again though.. Can't get enough of it, can you?
I'd like to coin your little phrase..."Whatever you need to say to make you feel better about yourself." |
Wrong. You support genocide. The world tried (and failed) to get him out via peaceful means for over 10 years. During that time he killed over a million people. Every additional year you want of negotion resulted in another 100,000 deaths. Approximately the same number of people accidentally died in the time frame of the invasion that would have intentionally been killed by your precious leader. So yes, to say that you would rather the US not invade is the same as saying you condone the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. You're a great person. Can I get a hug from you?
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Confused
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| Xthos wrote: |
2. I will tell you how oil figures into this, Iraq is a rich country because of the oil. So it makes him more capable of being a threat and a menace, verse another country with the same attrocities going on, i.e. some of the african nations that are like Iraq, but poor. Sadly one people suffering shouldn't be greater then anothers, but it is. |
Let's not forget the UN's affinity for illegal oil deals. That came into play too.
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| Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | It disgusts me too. I just wonder why so many people are disgusted by this, but felt no disgust when we dropped bombs on innocent suburban neighborhoods killing whole families every time we heard a rumor that Saddam or one of his sons or associates was there, or when a US soldier aims at an eight year old girl and shoots her in the head and the military says it was a "warning shot" that "went astray", or when we beat people to death in prisons, or our soldiers harness and ride an innocent 70 year old woman like a donkey in prison because they think she might know someone they're interested in, or when US troops expel dying children, that they shot, from hospitals to make room for US soldiers.
It's all disgusting. It's just not all surprising. |
Only scum would compare an accidental shooting to the intentional beheading of an innocent civilian. |
You mean, thousands of accidental shootings/bombings? SCUMBAG INDEED! |
No, I mean one...scumbag. No war has minimized civilian deaths so effectively as this one. And no war has prevented so many deaths as this one. Saddam has killed more civilians in a single day. So if you want to criticise America's minimal killing of civilians during the invasion, then you also must take responsibility for the violent murder of hundreds of thousands more. Congratulations. You support genocide. |
It's a tricky situation, but there are other solutions I am sure of it.
Thanks for stereotyping once again though.. Can't get enough of it, can you?
I'd like to coin your little phrase..."Whatever you need to say to make you feel better about yourself." |
Wrong. You support genocide. The world tried (and failed) to get him out via peaceful means for over 10 years. During that time he killed over a million people. Every additional year you want of negotion resulted in another 100,000 deaths. Approximately the same number of people accidentally died in the time frame of the invasion that would have intentionally been killed by your precious leader. So yes, to say that you would rather the US not invade is the same as saying you condone the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. You're a great person. Can I get a hug from you? |
Stereotyping again are we? Did I say I wanted to go the same route that has been tread the past 10 years? No... Did I say I condone what Saddam has done and would have done? No....
Do you even know what's been done to take Saddam out of power in the past 10 years, or are you just pulling that little fact out of your ass? Why not show us what has been done to remove Saddam? I never really heard anything about ousting saddam until the recent talk of WoMD over the past few years. So, please enlighten me as to how all our efforts in removing saddam in the past 10 years have been thwarted.
Why don't you step the f**k back and take a look at what I'm saying instead of putting me into your "liberal leftist ignorant social scumbag who supports genocide" category, it seems to be what you crave lately.
No hug for you...
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Haroun Zehra
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| Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | 1. I don't doubt that it is wrong for a foreigner to kill an American because of a political agenda. However, if you want to be taken seriously, show us that you care about Americans killing Americans for their wallets, their cars, their wives, every single day, first.
2. The whole thing may not be ALL about oil. However, if you don't think it's at least partially about oil, well, you're foolish. |
If you can only see the impact up to the cost of gas TODAY, well, you are pretty simple-minded indeed.
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | 1. I don't doubt that it is wrong for a foreigner to kill an American because of a political agenda. However, if you want to be taken seriously, show us that you care about Americans killing Americans for their wallets, their cars, their wives, every single day, first.
2. The whole thing may not be ALL about oil. However, if you don't think it's at least partially about oil, well, you're foolish. |
If you can only see the impact up to the cost of gas TODAY, well, you are pretty simple-minded indeed.
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Why are you adding your own text to my quote? Is it because you're so incapable of countering the pure facts with your mindlessly generated propaganda that you need to alter what was initially said? You sir, are Canadian. That's all you'll ever be.
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| Booker wrote: | some of our soldiers did publically humiliate iraqi prisoners; i would be mad also.
you cannot expect them to have the same worldview and moral values as you do. |
And the difference is? US Soldiers who abuse iraqi prisoners.. will be going to jail. These terrorists will continue to kill and stir up shit as long as they are alive, no one will punish them but us. Occasionally they get one of us, in return we get 50 of them. Seems like a pretty good trade off to keep Starbucks and McDonalds and HBO and Wal-mart in business to me.
Is it a shame that this guy was murdered? Yep, but be realistic, the world f*****g sucks. Life is cheap in most of the world other than North America and parts of Europe, and always has been. This kind of shit goes on everyday around the world, some of you only seem to get this exaggerated outrage when it happens to an "american". The world has never been some happy happy joy joy fluffy place with flowers and bunnies and everyone farting rose petals. Get real.
Two estimates in this http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-1107&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040511%2F1622066025.htm&sc=1107&photoid=20031214LON129 article put Saddam Hussein's genocide numbers anywhere between 300,000 and 1,000,000. Tell me again why it is so bad for us to be in Iraq?
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Right on Frax. This kind of thing was happening in Iraq on a regular basis for many years before the US got there. What US soldiers did to Iraqis, as wrong as it was, was small potatoes compared to what happened daily under Hussein's rule. You think being stripped naked and having your picture taken with a buch of other guys is bad, try being a pretty girl at the college where the Hussein boys went to school and being picked up of the street, raped my multiple people, and then murdered with absolutely no repercussions for the people that did it. The difference is the people doing these things for Hussein were rewarded for it, while the Americans are going to go to jail.
Does one contractor getting his head chopped off change anything? No. It's too bad for his family, but it's a war and that kind of stuff happens.
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