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Occulis
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 Posted: 11/11/05 - 11:16 Post subject: frost mage tactics?
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I ended up with a 60 mage and now I'm practicing! Right now just trying out level 55 gold elites, like those guys guarding ZG.
I realize it's not rocket science, but surely there's more to the strategy than spamming frost spells and other insta-casts.
Obviously, utility spells like blink and cold snap are important.
Anyone have some good mage strategy recommendations? I am not emotionally tied to frost. Whatever makes team PvP go better is what I'm interested in.
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Smackmuh
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 11:30 Post subject:
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I am pretty positive that a fire/arcane build is better for pvp while frost is better for MC.
My friend has a good fire/arcane build but had to respec for MC awhile back.
Do you have any +damage gear that's only frost spells?
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NinjaBurger
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Occulis
RealPoor Jedi
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 11:50 Post subject:
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I was going to go full arcane just to be different but eh... I dunno! Frost is okay. Basing my whole strategy hoping for a fluke 2.5k crit would be foolish, though. I have no +Frost dmg items.
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Timarak
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 12:52 Post subject:
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Frost is kinda bleh without plus dmg gear. With +dmg gear it becomes so mana efficient and super deadly if you have the right talents. As a frost mage you have a lot higher survivability as well.
In pve I try not to use blink unless I just have to, it's a good chunk of mana and can drain you fast if you are constantly using.
Remember frost nova and rank1 frostbolt are your friends for gaining ground.
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 13:14 Post subject:
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Frost nova is great even if only usable every 21 seconds.
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Faelien
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 13:42 Post subject:
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For PvP you best build is gonna be 31arc/20fire (4 into stun, 5 into ignite, 5 into the fireblast Cooldown)
Arcane power + Pressence of Mind + Pryoblast, along with Ignite.
Add a ToEP and ZHC or Neltharion's Tear and you can 3 shot almost anyone. I have the ToEP and Tear.
Ice is def better for PvE. Ice block, ice barrier, and better mana efficiency all help, atleast in MC and most of BWL.
And no, frost kiting doesn't get any better. You just run and cast frostbolt with the occasional blink and/or frost nova. I do this a lot at the top of Grim Batol on the 62 elite dragons. Try AE grinding if you are looking for something more interesting.
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Smackmuh
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 14:44 Post subject:
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Who has said frost sucks for pvp?
That guy got a crit, with a lot of +damage gear I'm betting, which is still impressive. Good job proving a point no one argued.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 14:53 Post subject:
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Doesn't matter what spec they are, as a Warlock the Mages are the easiest to solo.
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Psink
Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 15:41 Post subject:
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Don't listen to these faggots, ice is what you want for pvp if you're not going to be solo.
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NinjaBurger
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 17:50 Post subject:
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| Smackmuh wrote: |
Who has said frost sucks for pvp?
That guy got a crit, with a lot of +damage gear I'm betting, which is still impressive. Good job proving a point no one argued. |
Way to miss the joke.
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FockTop
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 01:49 Post subject:
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be it fire, arcane or frost if its well played youll rock.
I always enjoyed frost more because I had more tricks in my bag during battle, Ice block can save your life quite often, ice shield* forgot name can save your life, frost nova+blink is deadly and very powerfull.
Always depend of who you face and how many.
Sadly most everyone use arcane explosion in PVP because of fast casting im wouldnt be surprise if it get nerfed when its mage's turn to get a few changes.
cold snap is a must too, always good to know that you can recast asap a needed spell.
I cant tell anything more becaus eit really depend of do you want to do raids? solo? pvp only? balance it all? etc...
experience your class its the best way to learn and play your own style not the one of the first idiot to claim that he is God.
Those claiming that fire is the best dont know shit, they prob leech in PVP behind tkaing no risk for their team etc...
Pure dammage isnt worth shit id much rather hang with a ice mage who can slow, crowd control etc...I had a 60 cold mage for a while and I would recommend it anytime.
Blink, frost nova, sheep, arcane explosion for PVP.
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Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 07:08 Post subject:
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He wants to do group pvp with a rogue and paladin and possibly a warlock and priest or warrior and druid.
Frost Nova, Counterspell, Ice Block, Ice Bolt, Blink and Sheep will probably be his most important spells imo
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 14:54 Post subject:
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Fire blast and cone of cold are also important, just because they're instant.
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 15:55 Post subject:
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God, Blessing of Sacrifice owns Polymorph so hardcore. It's beautiful.
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 20:04 Post subject:
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I hate paladins, I can't out dps their heals, I can't cc them, and I run out of mana faster than them.
On the plus side, it takes them over 2 minutes to kill me, and they can't stop me from running.
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/12/05 - 20:10 Post subject:
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Unless we get you down to 20%. Then just whipper/night dragon.
But, hey, a dumb mage will just run as a flying hammer headshots them rather than potting.
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Janoth
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 06:24 Post subject:
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im so good
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 07:17 Post subject:
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| Gethy wrote: | Unless we get you down to 20%. Then just whipper/night dragon.
But, hey, a dumb mage will just run as a flying hammer headshots them rather than potting. |
Huh?
Blink > HoJ.
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 07:50 Post subject:
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | Unless we get you down to 20%. Then just whipper/night dragon.
But, hey, a dumb mage will just run as a flying hammer headshots them rather than potting. |
Huh?
Blink > HoJ. |
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Malodious
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 10:22 Post subject:
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This will probably seem frivilous and silly, but keep rank one CoC and rank one Frost nova on easy access hotkeys (assuming you use rank one frost nova instead of your current rank but incase you dont....). Can be very helpful when you start getting low on a tank of mana. I'm assuming you already do but it's good to use if you don't have them hotkeyed already.
I went to Grand Marshal and respecced a few times along the way, but i'd always come back to 21 arcane 30 fire, although I did enjoy 21arc/30 frost and 33frost/18arc. Fire resists were rarely a problem except on well geared prot warriors (lol) except a very few people who gimped themselves specificly to become immune to me,, and I almost always had more frustration in resists when I specced frost because of the way all or nothing happens. Nowadays however some people are walking around in nutso fire resist so take that with a grain of salt, I just dont see it a ton on peoples pvp sets.
Any smart team in group pvp will probably have a full set of buffs MoW/Fort atleast and even MoW can increase the full resist chance on frost a good bit. You'll see less resists with frost but when you do they will be full and they will usualy affect the outcome of a fight.
I'd disagree with Fan, 31 arcane gimps the f**k out of your damage unless you are running 250-350 +damage gear with a ToEP and preferably a hero charm at the least. Once you get geared up like that though it's probably the most devasting way to play, regardless of fire or frost spec. If you go fire go for consistantly higher with 5/5 firepower. Arcane power is fun but lighting up like a christmas tree is a fast way to get yourself CC/Silenced/Dispelled also. When I play my priest if I see a mage go blastermode the first thing i do is silence and then dispell the shit out of him.
On the flip side, group pvp often means making your mana stretch sometimes and frost is ideal for that. It does not have quite the kick fire does, but it makes up for it with the higher crit rates on frozen targets nicely. Unless you start saving away some heavier +damage gear i'd still recommend 21 arc 30 fire though. Firepower will give you better damage for your buck, especialy if you just got level 60 and are undergeared or just don't have a interest in grinding x instances 300 times to get +12 flamingo damage power.
Any way you cut it I do not recommend pvping without presence of mind. The cooldown is short enough that it's often enough up to pull you out of a fight or useable as a "Oh shit a rogue/warrior/warlock/another mage just did 4000 damage to me and I need to sheep him or I die" button.
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 11:43 Post subject:
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the point is dunn just wants to play, he doesn't want to run instances and get loot. mentioning what items to get, + damage gear and other things is pretty much irrelevant.
unfortunately, even with all the sense and smarts in the world, a dumb, well-equipped person will usually always win.
but dunn thinks the way dunn thinks, and if he's online and wants to run a bg, i'll damn sure run a bg with him regardless of what he's wearing, preferably nothing
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/13/05 - 11:52 Post subject:
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| Gethy wrote: | the point is dunn just wants to play, he doesn't want to run instances and get loot. mentioning what items to get, + damage gear and other things is pretty much irrelevant.
unfortunately, even with all the sense and smarts in the world, a dumb, well-equipped person will usually always win.
but dunn thinks the way dunn thinks, and if he's online and wants to run a bg, i'll damn sure run a bg with him regardless of what he's wearing, preferably nothing |
doo what lol why do you want me naked haha hey wait a second...
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Posted: 11/19/05 - 13:00 Post subject:
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I play a Frost specced Mage on Blackrock, right now Fire can be a pain in PVP for the simple fact our big Pyro and Fireballs are likely to get mitigated or outright resisted. This, and moving over to MC raiding is what made me go with Frost. IMO, unless you're going for AP and Frost, get your crit talents, and Frostbite. Get Frost Channeling. And then go for +Damage gear, one of your talents gives you a +50% to crit frozen targets, Frostbite gives you a 15% chance to freeze targets with Frostbolts, etc. Another talent gives you +100% crit damage. And Frost Channeling reduces the mana cost of your Frost Spells. Cold Snap you should hold back for when you need to say, Ice Block, Ice Barrier and do it again. Hope that helps.
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Frax
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Posted: 11/19/05 - 13:36 Post subject:
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mage tactics = run in circles like a j*****s and spam arcane explosion. Kind of like hunter tactics = run in circles with auto shot on and hit concussion shot every time it pops.
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