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Cryz
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 Posted: 03/14/04 - 23:53 Post subject: few pally questions...
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Thanks everyone! gots my infos!
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Izzeren
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 01:42 Post subject:
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I am not trying to be rude or anything here, but how in the f**k can you get a paladin to lvl 65 and not know the questions you are asking? Yes the obvious answer to me is you bought him or he was given to you, but I can tell you right now that if you can not figure those things out on your own you will suck as a paladin and nobody is going to want to group with you anyhow.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 01:51 Post subject:
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YOU ARE COOL TO BE d**k TO SOMEONE NEEDING HELP. YAY
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Minion
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 02:01 Post subject:
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| Izzeren wrote: | | I am not trying to be rude or anything here, but how in the f**k can you get a paladin to lvl 65 and not know the questions you are asking? Yes the obvious answer to me is you bought him or he was given to you, but I can tell you right now that if you can not figure those things out on your own you will suck as a paladin and nobody is going to want to group with you anyhow. |
It's Cryz, he obviously either bought the account or had someone help him level it.
Your biggest mistake was probably asking this on this message board. You could have just asked me in chat, everyone knows I'm the greatest paladin ever.
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Izzeren
Luke Warm
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 02:18 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | YOU ARE COOL TO BE d**k TO SOMEONE NEEDING HELP. YAY |
Thank you I appreciate that, but as Minion stated asking that here is totally the wrong place to ask it. I was just stating the obvious anyhow and being honest with him. If he can not figure those few easy things out on his own then he really has no buisness playing the class and when he does group with people his lack of ability is going to show and will make it hard for him to get groups in the long run and that is a simple fact.
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Andur Ravenblade
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 03:18 Post subject:
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Well i dunno about anyone else but i mem
Force of Akilae
Force of Akera
Shackles of Tunare
Healing Wave of Prexus
Wave of Marr
Light of Order
Light of Nife
Divine Aura
You prolly don't have light of order, so if ya use my old set up, put light of nife where light of order is and put supernal cleansing in the 7th spot (heal over time).
Another alteration you can do to that set up is to stick cease in, instead of force of akera for mana savings, though i feel cease is unbalanced atm so i try not to get used to it.
Basic premise to being a paladin in a single group situation is you take damage. You will want to stun once with yer second stun (which against the stuff yer fighting will normall not actually stun it) to get agro, and then when it engages you toss another stun. Beyond that it depends on the group, i tend to throw an akilae every time it pops to continue to work up agro as well as mitigate damage.
Secondary role is healer and CC. For healing, if someone is dying fast use light of nife. If enough people are getting hurt, and the rate of damage isn't to obscene use prexus or marr depending on the hitpoints of the group (for PoValor groups prexus will normally cover it). If you need to top someone off until you get healing AA's and a good focus, i tended to use supernal cleansing. Another thing is to tab to heal yourself then tab again to target the mob if things close or if yer FM to save healer mana.
In regards to CC thats pretty simple, root the mob away from camp. If you have divine stun you can push the mob around and such, which is helpful to know how to do later on.
As for the last two questions, soloing sucks don't waste your time. And in regards to AA's, that's a tough one, i definitely reccomend getting yer hp AA's, then prolly CA and LR, then mix the rest of yer tanking AA's in with healing AA's. Healing Adept is really nice, Improved Lay Hands makes it worth using, and Hand of Piety's first level for 3 points is really worth it.
Of course i could be doing things completely wrong, but oh well.
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quotison
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 03:34 Post subject:
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | | Of course i could be doing things completely wrong, but oh well. |
Yeah, you made a froglok 
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ashwynd
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 04:05 Post subject:
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Don't hate, just remake. <3 for the frogs. Hi cryz! Clenzzarino ownin?
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Cryz
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 04:05 Post subject:
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ok.. few things... andur.. thanks
minion.. i knew for a fact id get my ass jumped in the general discussion board... but i thought here... i might get a straight awnser from somone respectable like andur... i didnt even think the a******s posted here... but i was soon to find out the everquest board.. has its own brand of a*****e =p
captain f**k face... shut your f*****g hole man... its a friends account.. he hasent played in months... i am interested.. and never touched it befor.. sure.. i could f**k around and trial and error my way through it.. but id rather have some insight on the situation so i dont join a group and f**k up... i have more than enough experience playing EQ to take on the role of a paladin... i just wanted an idea on what their function is in exp groups at 65 since i never played one...
EDIT: sup ash... dunno yet.. just started tonite after i posted this =p but he looks tight with that big ass hammer 
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Minion
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 05:02 Post subject:
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Keep multiple spell sets for different occasions, on raids you'll want area heals and your highest HP heals for spam healing. Keep a simple 1 slot buff change for BMB, more stuns for groups with no enchanter, more heals for groups without a healer, etc.
I wouldn't even bother memming prexus unless you're on a raid or times have changed since I left EQ at LDoN. That thing is a f*****g mana rapist and unless you're in a clericless group I don't think you need maximum efficiency healing. Assuming you're doing a decent job tanking you'll be the only one taking damage anyway...
Shackles of Tunare is a *MUST*
Seriously, this was the first spell I got at 65 and I thought "wow, this is a piece of f*****g shit" but it's not. It's mana heavy for a root spell that's for sure and lasts less time, but with its resist check, it will land on virtually anything that is 64 or lower. Which makes root pulling easier and helps your enchanter or whoever crowd control better. A pull of 3 becomes a pull of 2 if you pull with SoT. It also has a .5 second cast time btw.
The only heal I ever kept up in casual groups was Cleansing, simply because it owns.
AA order should look something like this...
HPs
Defensive AAs, starting on lightning reflexes ASAP
Cast heal aas
Improved Lay hands
Hand of Piety
MGB
You're a paladin, your dps sucks against anything that isn't undead. I made the mistake of dumping a shit load of AA into offensive skills and the only one even worth noting was slay undead, which isn't as good as it used to be. You're far better off going with defensive shit and healing power.
I tossed in MGB because it makes raid buffing a hell of a lot less annoying. I hated going over the same people over and over because they asked me for it before they were in a full group...
Paladin usage on raids is a joke at best. You'll spend most of your time being a spam healer and an MGB b***h. If you're really well equipped you'll be a tankmezzer but obviously since tanks are equipment reliant, anyone with better shit will get prioritized in an instant.
MacroQuest is a must have too, it's pretty much the only thing that made the game bearable for me.
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brethin
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 06:11 Post subject:
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Reroll a warrior and for gods sakes press the fek TAUNT button!
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Cryz
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 06:41 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | Keep multiple spell sets for different occasions, on raids you'll want area heals and your highest HP heals for spam healing. Keep a simple 1 slot buff change for BMB, more stuns for groups with no enchanter, more heals for groups without a healer, etc.
I wouldn't even bother memming prexus unless you're on a raid or times have changed since I left EQ at LDoN. That thing is a f*****g mana rapist and unless you're in a clericless group I don't think you need maximum efficiency healing. Assuming you're doing a decent job tanking you'll be the only one taking damage anyway...
Shackles of Tunare is a *MUST*
Seriously, this was the first spell I got at 65 and I thought "wow, this is a piece of f*****g shit" but it's not. It's mana heavy for a root spell that's for sure and lasts less time, but with its resist check, it will land on virtually anything that is 64 or lower. Which makes root pulling easier and helps your enchanter or whoever crowd control better. A pull of 3 becomes a pull of 2 if you pull with SoT. It also has a .5 second cast time btw.
The only heal I ever kept up in casual groups was Cleansing, simply because it owns.
AA order should look something like this...
HPs
Defensive AAs, starting on lightning reflexes ASAP
Cast heal aas
Improved Lay hands
Hand of Piety
MGB
You're a paladin, your dps sucks against anything that isn't undead. I made the mistake of dumping a shit load of AA into offensive skills and the only one even worth noting was slay undead, which isn't as good as it used to be. You're far better off going with defensive shit and healing power.
I tossed in MGB because it makes raid buffing a hell of a lot less annoying. I hated going over the same people over and over because they asked me for it before they were in a full group...
Paladin usage on raids is a joke at best. You'll spend most of your time being a spam healer and an MGB b***h. If you're really well equipped you'll be a tankmezzer but obviously since tanks are equipment reliant, anyone with better shit will get prioritized in an instant.
MacroQuest is a must have too, it's pretty much the only thing that made the game bearable for me. |
wtf i thought you quit befor 65 was even possible!.. you play again? =P
oh.. nice post btw.. much better than yer first... d**k
yea i grouped tonite just a casual exp group.. had up stuns anc super cleanse... that spell is awesome.. didnt root cause we had chanter and im uber puller... hammer off of that zek dude.. is f*****g bad!
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Ariey
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 07:14 Post subject:
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Cryz, send me a tell in game. I will help you learn how to play a pally, for either group xp or raiding.
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Minion
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 07:40 Post subject:
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| Cryz wrote: | wtf i thought you quit befor 65 was even possible!.. you play again? =P
oh.. nice post btw.. much better than yer first... d**k :D
yea i grouped tonite just a casual exp group.. had up stuns anc super cleanse... that spell is awesome.. didnt root cause we had chanter and im uber puller... hammer off of that zek dude.. is f*****g bad! :D |
I came back then stopped playing after LoDN.
Zek hammer is common as dirt btw.
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Cryz
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 07:56 Post subject:
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fukin care if its common =p its bad ass!
you should start playing again.. we could pwn together... i just soloed drovlarg captain.. hes such a puss... green mobs did more dmg to me.. seriously...
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 11:43 Post subject:
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Just group and learn. Look at the spells you have, think of what they do and then go for it! If you aren't doing things the way your group wants you to, they'll probably tell you.
My only real tip is this: Organize your spell book. Otherwise, they may ask you for a certain spell and you'll go fumbling around looking for it for 5 minutes and then they'll know you didn't level the toon yourself =)
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motherface
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 12:58 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | My only real tip is this: Organize your spell book. Otherwise, they may ask you for a certain spell and you'll go fumbling around looking for it for 5 minutes and then they'll know you didn't level the toon yourself =) |
Haha, spellbook. People still use that?
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ashwynd
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 14:37 Post subject:
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Froglet's loot > Clenzzarino's loot! Too bad I retired or else we could make l33t undead killin groups :p
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 15:04 Post subject:
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All my spellbooks are very organized. I know exactly where everything is. Go me. f**k you too.
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Carnican
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 15:12 Post subject:
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I finally had to add Froglet to eqrankings.com to see where things stood.
Whew!
/blush
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Merican
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
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| Ariey wrote: | | Cryz, send me a tell in game. I will help you learn how to play a pally, for either group xp or raiding. |
yay she posts!
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Andur Ravenblade
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 16:45 Post subject:
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Minion is mostly right in regards to healing in like say PoV. But the moment you start doing more difficult things like GoD or hard LDoNs you are going to be using Prexus and Light of Nife alot. Just due to divine arbitration, and multi pulls and such. You are going to want to get some decent FT for this stuff, and focus effects are really helpful. I just really don't have a problem popping off Prexus (Marr is harsh though). You just need to make sure at least 3-4 group members are hurt to make it worth doing.
MGB is a waste imho. It costs so little mana, and most guilds have 4 or 5 paladins. I'd definitely get divine stun + rush to judgement, horse, hand of piety upgrades, persistant casting, weapon affinity, and radiant cure 1 before i'd touch MGB. I have 340AA's at the moment and no MGB, haven't missed it, ever.
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Paco
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 16:50 Post subject:
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Autobots, transform!!!
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Minion
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 17:08 Post subject:
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | Minion is mostly right in regards to healing in like say PoV. But the moment you start doing more difficult things like GoD or hard LDoNs you are going to be using Prexus and Light of Nife alot. Just due to divine arbitration, and multi pulls and such. You are going to want to get some decent FT for this stuff, and focus effects are really helpful. I just really don't have a problem popping off Prexus (Marr is harsh though). You just need to make sure at least 3-4 group members are hurt to make it worth doing.
MGB is a waste imho. It costs so little mana, and most guilds have 4 or 5 paladins. I'd definitely get divine stun + rush to judgement, horse, hand of piety upgrades, persistant casting, weapon affinity, and radiant cure 1 before i'd touch MGB. I have 340AA's at the moment and no MGB, haven't missed it, ever. |
Shrug, I played LDoN hardcore. When I'm tank I'm also puller and I'm always the only one taking damage. Prexus seems like nothing more than a mana toilet to me in casual groups.
As far as MGB goes, it'd not about mana consumption it's about the annoyance of casting it thirty times. Guess it didn't help that my guild only had two paladins though.
Edit: Paladins have radiant cure now?? I'd definitely get that instead heh
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 18:33 Post subject:
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Cryz reroll a warrior?
f**k he couldnt play a warrior right the first time around
btw I am playing Kerr again GO GO OGUR POWA
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Akimatsu
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 18:41 Post subject:
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gah, I want kerr again :/
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Cryz
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 22:22 Post subject:
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thanks for info everyone... i grouped last night in a back caves group in valor.. did well... and areinoa gave me more detailed info on what stuns are good for what i only had 1 stun up in the group i was in.. but had no prollem keepin agro... but ill mem another one...
one more thing... guilds... i was talking to a SotN guy last night and i think hes willin to sponser.. and aparently clenzzarino was already in the guild at one time =p... was also lookin at omen.. because i know they go way back... these were main 2 interests,... havent talked to any omen members in depth though...
i know that sotn does loot by a dkp system... its like a point system where you bid raid points to get loot... now this is totally new to me =p because in pande on TZ it was all loot council.. point system seems interesting... is it common loot system for guilds here now?
the questions.. the never stop!
loggin in now to check out more guild possibilities and work their members to get sponsered!
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quotison
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 23:01 Post subject:
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| Cryz wrote: | | one more thing... guilds... i was talking to a SotN guy last night and i think hes willin to sponser. |
Just say no!
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Izzeren
Luke Warm
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Posted: 03/15/04 - 23:44 Post subject:
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Oh damn my feeling are truely hurt I got called Captin f**k Face and a d**k by somebody that is to f*****g lazy to learn to play the class on his own.
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Akimatsu
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Posted: 03/16/04 - 00:30 Post subject:
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Christ on high if you join SOTN there will be no hope for you!
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