|
|
| Author |
Message |
Banzai
Guest
|
 Posted: 10/30/03 - 17:37 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
I thought Porn was an economy by bush?
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
 |
Jinu
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 2396
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 18:03 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Maldek wrote: | | The economy has NEVER not grown in the 3rd year of a presidency. NEVER. Why? Because all the disgustingly rich people that the president helped to evade taxes and repress the masses calls in favors. All these people with billions upon billions in assets splurge in the third year, dumping out big fat wads of cash into the economy, making it grow. Think there is no coincendence that the economic growth of this quarter is the biggest since 1984, the year of Reagan's reelection? Probably because the same f*****g GOP heavyhitters coffed up the cash this time around too. Evenmoreso however, because there's so much anti-Bush sentiment right now that they know they've gotta pay up or else it's no more Texas justice in the white house. That means no more free rides on April 15th for the unfathomably rich that would rather stuff their money up their ass then pay their fair share to help society as a whole. |
god damn that was pretty dumb.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Starks
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 17 Oct 2002
Posts: 865
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 21:23 Post subject:
|
|
|
Man, go back to school you guys who think this 7.2% growth is alot. Seriously, read a book on statistics then the great book on how to lie with statistics. Lets say the economy is at 100 units and it grows 7.2%, then it is at 107.2 units, now back a few years ago when the economy was at 5000 units 3% growth is 150 units. Also, you Bushies, or mentally deficient, same difference should take off your blinders and realize that in the history of presidents your boy is the has been the worst one hands down. He steals from the public, gives to the rich, treats all corporations as human beings, and is stuck with A-rod for 252 mil  If you really support Bush, put down how much money a year you make, what you do, and how you still live off your parents.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Jinu
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 2396
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 21:29 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
right, because Gore raising all the taxes to save some deer would have made things so much better.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 21:38 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Starks wrote: | | Man, go back to school you guys who think this 7.2% growth is alot. Seriously, read a book on statistics then the great book on how to lie with statistics. Lets say the economy is at 100 units and it grows 7.2%, then it is at 107.2 units, now back a few years ago when the economy was at 5000 units 3% growth is 150 units. Also, you Bushies, or mentally deficient, same difference should take off your blinders and realize that in the history of presidents your boy is the has been the worst one hands down. He steals from the public, gives to the rich, treats all corporations as human beings, and is stuck with A-rod for 252 mil :P If you really support Bush, put down how much money a year you make, what you do, and how you still live off your parents. |
What the f**k are you talking about? 5000 units? 100 units? Except for 6 months of VERY moderate decline, the last few years have grown every quarter. Damn some people are stupid. 7.2% won't be sustained, but it certainly is a big jump and the current quarter will likely be very strong as well.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
ATM Banana
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 8575
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 23:18 Post subject:
|
|
|
you have an uncanny ability to see straight through it all. kudos to you, sir.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 23:19 Post subject:
|
|
|
He can see through my penis?? 
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Janoth
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 17 Nov 2002
Posts: 3135
|
|
Posted: 10/30/03 - 23:27 Post subject:
|
|
|
The economy is recovering just like Bush said it was. Dem's refused to give the tax cuts a chance.... There is a reason they tried to prevent the tax cuts from happening.
On to their next critisism
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
KapnKimchi
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 311
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:19 Post subject:
|
|
|
Quote by Jinu: | Quote: | | god damn that was pretty dumb. |
Maldek isn't bright obviously but he isn't nearly as dumb as NWS who stupidly made an inaccurate correlation between a large growth rate and having the strongest economy in 20 years. Fortunately, he learned of his error by editing the topic like a good boy. Now before you uneducated fuckwits spew any more nonsense about the economy, please do us all a favor by learning some basic economic fundamentals before you open your mouths again.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:21 Post subject:
|
|
|
| KapnKimchi wrote: | Quote by Jinu: | Quote: | | god damn that was pretty dumb. |
Maldek isn't bright obviously but he isn't nearly as dumb as NWS who stupidly made an inaccurate correlation between a large growth rate and having the strongest economy in 20 years. Fortunately, he learned of his error by editing the topic like a good boy. Now before you uneducated fuckwits spew any more nonsense about the economy, please do us all a favor by learning some basic economic fundamentals before you open your mouths again.
|
economic strength = growth rate. f*g.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
KapnKimchi
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 311
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:24 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
Thank you again for showing how ignorant and stupid you really are. Carry on!
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:27 Post subject:
|
|
|
| KapnKimchi wrote: | | Thank you again for showing how ignorant and stupid you really are. Carry on! |
lol...thanks, Eduin (the "fuckwits" gave it away).
Poor foreigners hate the idea that America is still the most economically productive nation in the world. I would think that you eurotrash would have learned that socialism doesn't work. I mean come on...you've had about 100 years to figure that out.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
KapnKimchi
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 311
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:39 Post subject:
|
|
|
Damn boy, you are not only stupid but lack in perception as well. I don't know how anyone can correlate Kimchi with Eurotrash but then again, you're the one who was attempting to relate an increase in growth rate to aggregate economic strength so anything is possible I guess. Now hit th ebooks and get back to us when you learn something about economic indicators please. THX!
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:42 Post subject:
|
|
|
| KapnKimchi wrote: | Damn boy, you are not only stupid but lack in perception as well. I don't know how anyone can correlate Kimchi with Eurotrash but then again, you're the one who was attempting to relate an increase in growth rate to aggregate economic strength so anything is possible I guess. Now hit th ebooks and get back to us when you learn something about economic indicators please. THX!
:shock: :shock: :shock: |
Strong economic growth is the result, not the definition of, a strong economy. Whether you're eurotrash or korean doesn't concern me. So long as your ignorance remains in your country, I'm a satisfied. I would suggest you buy a clue, but you probably can't afford one in your poverty-stricken country.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
KapnKimchi
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 311
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 11:52 Post subject:
|
|
|
Your original topic stated that the economy was the srtongest it's been in 20 years? How so? Personal income has increased slightly, but consumer spending and investment remains down and hasn't improved in quite a while. Government spending on defense contracts has artificially kept the economy afloat.
The GDP in itself is an obsolete indicator on how the economy is faring. The GDP is simply a gross measure of market activity, of money changing hands. It makes no distinction whatsoever between the desirable and the undesirable, or costs and gain. On top of that, it looks only at the portion of reality that economists choose to acknowledge--the part involved in monetary transactions. The crucial economic functions performed in the household and volunteer sectors go entirely unreckoned. As a result the GDP not only masks the breakdown of the social structure and the natural habitat upon which the economy--and life itself--ultimately depend; worse, it actually portrays such breakdown as economic gain.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Akronn
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 8752
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:05 Post subject:
|
|
|
I'm hardly getting excited over this, we've got a year to go. Besides... remember the fuss NWS made when unemployment allegedly went down in September? Well, final figures actually had it still on the increase, by 2,000.
The Fed can monkey with rates and tax cuts for only so long and the deficit can only get so large before the bottom really drops out. They've already stated they can't/won't fiddle anymore next year, so we'll see where this 'growth' takes us.
Remember: average d**k and Jane don't care what the GDP is, they just want a job.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:10 Post subject:
|
|
|
| KapnKimchi wrote: | Your original topic stated that the economy was the srtongest it's been in 20 years? How so? Personal income has increased slightly, but consumer spending and investment remains down and hasn't improved in quite a while. Government spending on defense contracts has artificially kept the economy afloat.
The GDP in itself is an obsolete indicator on how the economy is faring. The GDP is simply a gross measure of market activity, of money changing hands. It makes no distinction whatsoever between the desirable and the undesirable, or costs and gain. On top of that, it looks only at the portion of reality that economists choose to acknowledge--the part involved in monetary transactions. The crucial economic functions performed in the household and volunteer sectors go entirely unreckoned. As a result the GDP not only masks the breakdown of the social structure and the natural habitat upon which the economy--and life itself--ultimately depend; worse, it actually portrays such breakdown as economic gain. |
Wrong, both consumer sentiment and spending has been steadily and rapidly increasing over the past 3 months. Inventory levels are low again and demand is high, sparking the manufacturing sector to produce both products and jobs. Unemployment has begun its decent, however modest. Interest rates are still low, resulting in steadily strong home sales. The government's spending increased 1.4% (~0.4% of total economic activity) last quarter, so its contribution to economic activity is not as great as you claim. Corporate spending has increased. My company went from nearly insolvent to having enough cash/signed contracts so that we wouldn't have to work for the next year. Not to mention the fact that the DOW is up nearly 30% since March, and markets are the most accurate indicators we have.
The overall result of the consitency of the all of the economic indicators have increased confidence, spending and productivity. Over the next 12 months, we'll probably see a modest to moderate decrease in unemployment, which is currently the most negative figure. Of course at 6.1%, we're at nearly full employment anyway, so I don't see what people are griping about.
Oh yeah...and you're an idiot.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Dapht
Luke Warm
Joined: 19 Oct 2002
Posts: 348
Location: ALaska
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:11 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Quote: | Government spending on defense contracts has artificially kept the economy afloat.
|
If this were the case, then governement spending on defense contracts has been artificially keeping the economy afloat for quite a while now.
Bush has done the best with the "plate" that he has been served. He had one of the biggest set backs at the begining of his presidency, arguably bigger than any other president. (? sentence structure). With the Twin Towers going down and the financial capitol of the US being shut down for multiple days, the economy was bound to decline.
And as for the comment about listing what your job is and how much you make and that youare still living off your parents...
USAF- 21k- Havent lived off my parents in a looooooong time. And yes. I am a huge Bush supporter.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:11 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Akronn wrote: | | I'm hardly getting excited over this |
Of course not. As a partisan democrat, a bad economy is in your interests.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Akronn
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 8752
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:33 Post subject:
|
|
|
Yeah, don't discuss the issue or anything. Just throw around insults.
I'm too busy to d**k around with you today, sorry.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
KapnKimchi
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 311
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 12:51 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
NWS, you are truly stupid. Personal spending is down more than expected as the reports today have confirmed which is why the market has fluctuated today and remained flat. Overall spending has increased but again the important number is consumer spending not overall spending. Consumer confidence is slightly higher but it was extremely low just a few months ago so it has no where to go. Once you see confidence translate into increased investment and consumption, then you will notice the difference. Don't try to candy coat the situation with your myopic beliefs you moron.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Tolanin
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 16 Oct 2002
Posts: 3551
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 13:10 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
I love how "take less money from the rich so our economy isnt so top heavy" turns into "give money to the rich thats being stolen from the poor!"
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 14:22 Post subject:
|
|
|
| KapnKimchi wrote: | | NWS, you are truly stupid. Personal spending is down more than expected as the reports today have confirmed which is why the market has fluctuated today and remained flat. Overall spending has increased but again the important number is consumer spending not overall spending. Consumer confidence is slightly higher but it was extremely low just a few months ago so it has no where to go. Once you see confidence translate into increased investment and consumption, then you will notice the difference. Don't try to candy coat the situation with your myopic beliefs you moron. |
You are a dumbfuck. Consumer spending and housing is what has been driving the economy for the past 2 years. The fact that consumer confidence has increased substantially, despite its relatively low current value, says a lot because trends (as I'm sure your ignorant ass is unaware of) are determined by the first and second derivatives over time of market data, not their current value. The fact that market data is now positive across the board and the economy has expanded more quickly than Clinton's best years indicate a strong economy. The market is rightfully flattening out because, since the democratization of investing, it is overvalued. Investors are cooling of their purchases because they realize this. As evidence of my claims, look at unemployment in january. It will be lower, but I'm sure you'll conveniently disappear by then.
Also, you're gay.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Paco
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
Posts: 12939
Location: Jacksonville, FL
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 14:26 Post subject:
|
|
|
Also, adding little lines like that on your posts says to the rest of realpoor.
"Also, I'm gay"
at least that's what I see..very..oh, I don't know...13 year oldish of you sir. 
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
WheresNWS
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
Posts: 6448
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 14:36 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Paco wrote: | Also, adding little lines like that on your posts says to the rest of realpoor.
"Also, I'm gay"
at least that's what I see..very..oh, I don't know...13 year oldish of you sir. ;) |
Even though I believe in the nonsense I post, I take each one half-seriously at best. This is realpoor, after all.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Banzai
Guest
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 14:43 Post subject:
|
|
|
This thread has a nice beat you can dance to.
Kimchi vs NWS
in
A Fist Full of Dollars
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Clevinger
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 3765
Location: Austin
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 15:21 Post subject:
|
|
|
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE OUT OF WORK
THIS IS A FACT OF LIFE
STOP LETTING TOM DASCHLE THINK FOR YOU
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Shanda
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 181
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 15:32 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Dapht wrote: | | Bush has done the best with the "plate" that he has been served. He had one of the biggest set backs at the begining of his presidency, arguably bigger than any other president. (? sentence structure). With the Twin Towers going down and the financial capitol of the US being shut down for multiple days, the economy was bound to decline. |
Actually, his 'plate' was no where near as big as what FDR was served during the depression. A few days of government shutdown is nothing compared to the collapse of the entire banking system.
I would think the bombing of Pearl Harbor, again, puts the Twin Towers in perspective. Losing the towers was a horrible thing, but it certainly wasn't the worst thing a US president has had to deal with.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Eduin
Sir Postalot
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 1046
Location: Glasgow
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 18:02 Post subject:
|
|
|
You know, I feel genuinely sorry for NWS. Poor sad c**t really lacks a clue.
Regards,
Eduin
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Eduin
Sir Postalot
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 1046
Location: Glasgow
|
|
Posted: 10/31/03 - 18:04 Post subject:
|
|
|
You know, I feel genuinely sorry for NWS. Poor sad c**t really lacks a clue.
Regards,
Eduin
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
