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Booker
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 Posted: 04/18/03 - 20:18 Post subject: body found in bay identified as laci peterson
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 20:19 Post subject:
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I don't know who that is 
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 20:22 Post subject:
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Husband arrested. Prepare for Death Penalty, b*****d.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 20:32 Post subject:
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Wow. How someone could do that is beyond me. Just curious, though. They're charging him with murder of the unborn child. What do you pro-abortion people think about that?
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 20:47 Post subject:
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Well I'll bite, and I'll quote my favorite book of all-time 
| Quote: | | If, when men come to blows, they hurt a woman who is pregnant and she suffers a miscarriage, though she does not die of it, the man responsible must pay the compensation demanded of him by the woman’s master; he shall hand it over, after arbitration. But should she die, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. |
(Exodus 21:22-24)
In other words, if you cause the death of the fetus, you merely pay a fine; if you cause the death of the woman, you lose your own life. Thus, the Bible clearly shows that a fetus is not considered a person. If the fetus were considered to be a person, then the penalty for killing it would be the same as for killing the woman – death.
Abortion then, is not murder. These verses in Exodus are backed up by four thousand years of Jewish law, abortion has never been considered murder in Jewish law. A fetus is only a potential person.
Incidentally, the fine the Israelite man had to pay was not for the fetus, it was for hurting the woman.
/shrug pretty clear to me, and I'm not even the Bible's biggest fan!
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Manuva
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 21:00 Post subject:
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That's some f****d up shit yo!
Why off such a fine piece of ass as her?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 21:01 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Well I'll bite, and I'll quote my favorite book of all-time :roll:
| Quote: | | If, when men come to blows, they hurt a woman who is pregnant and she suffers a miscarriage, though she does not die of it, the man responsible must pay the compensation demanded of him by the woman’s master; he shall hand it over, after arbitration. But should she die, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. |
(Exodus 21:22-24)
In other words, if you cause the death of the fetus, you merely pay a fine; if you cause the death of the woman, you lose your own life. Thus, the Bible clearly shows that a fetus is not considered a person. If the fetus were considered to be a person, then the penalty for killing it would be the same as for killing the woman – death.
Abortion then, is not murder. These verses in Exodus are backed up by four thousand years of Jewish law, abortion has never been considered murder in Jewish law. A fetus is only a potential person.
Incidentally, the fine the Israelite man had to pay was not for the fetus, it was for hurting the woman.
/shrug pretty clear to me, and I'm not even the Bible's biggest fan! |
Mistranslation. It translates to "premature birth", not "miscarriage".
| The New American Standard Bible, 1995 Update wrote: | | If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise |
I'm not a biblical scholar or fishing. Besides, we don't live in Israel, so we don't strictly follow jewish law, anyway. I'm just curious how anti-abortion folks would about a murder charge being brought against someone for killing a pregnant woman's fetus. Just or unjust?
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Domination
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 21:20 Post subject:
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oddly enough - In this case because of the sheer brutality of it. Its very just, if they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did in fact do it, He deserves as much punishment as the law can dish out. However, its under special circumstances. We all know this isn't how it will happen, it will be he has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's not guilty ;p. Gotta love the media!
The same would not apply to someone who was in a car accident and hit a woman who lost her child and her own life as a result (possible homicide charges could be filed).
Thus we have common sense, and to be honest, its not very common.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 21:21 Post subject:
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You can play all the word gave you want. An unborn child is just that, a child....that has not been born.
I say hit him with 2 counts of murder and 2 counts of stupidity....
For not gettn rid of the bodies better.
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Tanaren
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Posted: 04/18/03 - 23:58 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | What do you pro-abortion people think about that? |
I think it’s fine, because they're not conferring "person" status to the fetus. Under California law, homicide is defined as [unlawful killing of a person or a fetus]. If the definition of homicide was only [unlawful killing of a person] and they tried to fit it under that statute, I'd be more concerned.
The issue hinges on consent. Can the state criminalize a 3rd party's action that would otherwise be legal if consensual?
I see it as being similar to sterilization. Intentionally sterilizing someone against her will can be criminalized. The legislature can add criminal penalties if it's accidentally done. Yet it can remain legal if it's done via elective surgery.
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WheresNWS
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FoShizzo
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Posted: 04/21/03 - 19:41 Post subject:
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ok shit i dont get is why the f**k did the public spend so much god damn time on this case.... there are so many missing people who end up dead or some other shit why did they keep on this one?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 04/21/03 - 19:43 Post subject:
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| FoShizzo wrote: | | ok shit i dont get is why the f**k did the public spend so much god damn time on this case.... there are so many missing people who end up dead or some other shit why did they keep on this one? |
Because she was pretty. Duh.
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Verdeloth
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 00:26 Post subject:
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does anyone agree with me how stupid this guy played this crime out?
1. His wife's corpse was in SF bay, and he was there the same day she was presumed missing/dead.
2. 1 month after her death, he sells her car.
3. He puts their house up on sale (i dunno if that's concidered mourning nowadays)
4. He acts lucretive whenever he's on TV.
5. There was a large sum of cash on her life insurance, which gives him a huge reason to kill her
6. He drives around with $10,000 in his car
In my opinion, this guy wanted to get caught. If he were a smarter person he wouldn't make anything THIS obvious. He belongs on one of those FOX tv shows like America's Dumbest Criminals.
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Luturb
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 10:19 Post subject:
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He is a d*****s. But now he's totally screwed. Even if he doesn't get the death penalty, he's gonna need Depends when the prison population gets done with him.
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 10:25 Post subject:
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The way it sounds, he just kinda flipped out one day when he realized the life he had wasn't the one he wanted. I doubt he put too much thought into any part of his plan. It was just a 'kill the wife, grab the cash, and go' deal.
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Frax
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 10:38 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | He is a d*****s. But now he's totally screwed. Even if he doesn't get the death penalty, he's gonna need Depends when the prison population gets done with him. |
He'll be mostly isolated in prison, he's high profile thanks to the media. If he's on death row he'll have no contact with anyone else but guards and others on death row anyways.
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eqchanter
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 10:42 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | The way it sounds, he just kinda flipped out one day when he realized the life he had wasn't the one he wanted. I doubt he put too much thought into any part of his plan. It was just a 'kill the wife, grab the cash, and go' deal. |
yea. he should have cut her up and put the piece in with regular garbage. then at night put the bags in other peoples garbage cans in a few different neighborhoods.
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Shanda
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Posted: 04/22/03 - 23:07 Post subject:
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As far as the death of a fetus goes, many states have laws on the books for murder IF the child could have survived outside the womb. It depends on the state but generally starts at around 26 weeks. She was 8 months pregnant so the baby was just that, a baby.
As far as the women's rights b******t goes, no one should be allowed to have a third trimester abortion to begin with. I didn't even think that was legal since the child is viable and the methods they have to use to perform one are barbaric! And I am pro-choice btw, but if you can't get your shit together and get the abortion in the first trimester (_maybe_ halfway through the second, but that's pushing it in my opinion), commit suicide not abortion because you are wasting air.
Sorry - /rant off
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Minion
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Posted: 04/23/03 - 01:47 Post subject:
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Notice you can pretty much talk to anyone, anywhere, and very few people will go "I'd rather not pass judgement" or "I'm in no position to throw accusations around."
Instead they say things like "Burn in hell" and "He obviously didn't think his crime out!"
This board is no different. Everyone assumes they know he's guilty. It's like he's already been tried and sentenced. Even if he's innocent and walks, everyone will treat him like the murderer. It'll be O.J. Simpson all over again without racial courtroom spins. 10 years later people will still be bringing it up, how a murder walked free and so on and so forth. Except the baby lovers will be all over it like flies on shit because she was pregnant.
He may as well hang himself with his shoelaces if he can get the opportunity. Guilty or not, this guy is f****d. He probably realized that too which could be why he was trying to haul ass. The case won't be "tried in public opinion?" Pfft don't give me that shit. Every case with as much media crammed in its a*****e as this one is tried in the public, f**k man NBC just dedicated an hour to this garbage, it was five minutes of content and 55 minutes of regurgitated footage and outraged p*****s lighting candles and shit and talking about how betrayed they felt. Like it or not that's how it is. Yay freedom of speech and press.
I'll admit it, sure, he's probably guilty. But the only real incriminating leads to that are his unusual behavior which could be explained hundreds of different ways. One is the one I mentioned above which is he could be losing it because everyone thinks he's guilty anyway.
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eqchanter
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Posted: 04/23/03 - 10:45 Post subject:
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ill have to agree with minion but i strongly believe oj was guilty. just his facial expression when they gave the not guilty verdict said yess i got away with it.
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tryn
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Posted: 04/23/03 - 10:54 Post subject:
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this guy is a major slimeball considering he was living a double life and was dating another chick when Laci went missing. the woman came forward and told the police she was dating a scott peterson, and he said Laci knew he was having affairs and was fine with it. apparently none of his other friends knew about his affairs, or have come forward acknowledging it. i'm sure if you ask any 8 month pregnant wife about her husband being unfaithful that she'd be fine with it! not.
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/23/03 - 11:09 Post subject:
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Minion, the guy was 'losing it' long before he even killed his wife. He has a long history of mood swings and flakey behavior, all of which is now being documented. The media's opinion of him really has no bearing on his state of mind I'm sure, he's already gone.
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Pags
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Posted: 04/23/03 - 11:16 Post subject:
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I saw something on the news a few days ago saying that when he was in college, a girl that went to his college turned up missing and they never found her. He was friends w/ her supposedly...
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Tav
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 09:16 Post subject:
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Living about 75 miles away from that town, I've been hearing about this in the news since Christmas.
The guy did it.
No other reason why he wouldn't show any form of emotion when he was on the camera. Even on 60 minutes or 20/20, he faked a cry with NO tears. WTF?!?!?
Also, killing his 8 month old unborn baby constitutes murder. Period.
Who the hell goes fishing in s****y weather on Christmas eve leaving an 8 month pregnant wife at home??? NOBODY!
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Minion
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 15:18 Post subject:
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| Tav wrote: | Living about 75 miles away from that town, I've been hearing about this in the news since Christmas.
The guy did it.
No other reason why he wouldn't show any form of emotion when he was on the camera. Even on 60 minutes or 20/20, he faked a cry with NO tears. WTF?!?!?
Also, killing his 8 month old unborn baby constitutes murder. Period.
Who the hell goes fishing in s****y weather on Christmas eve leaving an 8 month pregnant wife at home??? NOBODY! |
Thank you for that wonderful insight. I'm sure your local police department will be calling you shortly for a career as a criminal psychologist.
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 15:27 Post subject:
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Gotta admit, the whole fishing thing on X-Mas Eve is preeeety interesting. Especially since they later found the bodies there!
We can give him the benefit of the doubt, I suppose, and speculate that he only had her killed and didn't actually do it himself.
/shrug either way he's responsible and will be dying in short order. Personally, his hair style alone is enough to warrant the death penalty.
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Frax
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 15:38 Post subject:
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Doesn't take sherlock holmes to figure this one out minion...
1) wife disappears on christmas eve while he goes fishing in san francisco bay, he even provided proof he was at a certain marina on christmas eve.
2) About a month after she disappears it is discovered he is having an affair with a woman who broke the relationship off when she discovered he was married
3) The body of his wife and baby wash up on shore just a few miles from the very same marina he provided proof of being at the day of her disappearance.
4) He bleached his hair and grew a beard/goatee to change his appearance, and moved to San Diego, within 3 months of her disappearance. Doesn't exactly appear to be a grieving husband by doing this.
5) When arrested he had $10,000 in cash in his posession. If you aren't aware, $10,000 is the amount of US currency you can legally transport over our border at one time.
I'm sure Kato Kaelin will pop up sooner or later during this investigation as well!
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Minion
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 16:36 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | Doesn't take sherlock holmes to figure this one out minion...
1) wife disappears on christmas eve while he goes fishing in san francisco bay, he even provided proof he was at a certain marina on christmas eve.
2) About a month after she disappears it is discovered he is having an affair with a woman who broke the relationship off when she discovered he was married
3) The body of his wife and baby wash up on shore just a few miles from the very same marina he provided proof of being at the day of her disappearance.
4) He bleached his hair and grew a beard/goatee to change his appearance, and moved to San Diego, within 3 months of her disappearance. Doesn't exactly appear to be a grieving husband by doing this.
5) When arrested he had $10,000 in cash in his posession. If you aren't aware, $10,000 is the amount of US currency you can legally transport over our border at one time.
I'm sure Kato Kaelin will pop up sooner or later during this investigation as well! |
That's called suspicious behavior and it proves absolutely nothing. The evidence supporting this case is a joke.
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tryn
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Posted: 04/24/03 - 16:40 Post subject:
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he was also selling her posessions as soon as she disappeared. i mean don't you always sell your partner's posessions when they go for a long walk off a short pier on christmas eve?
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