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ATM Banana
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 Posted: 03/28/04 - 01:34 Post subject: backstabbing a******s.
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so what does one do to a friend you've known for more than 97% of your waking life who has backstabbed you and lied to your face repeatedly on several different occasions?
i'm leaning towards falling out, but something more deceptively cunning, and severly punishing might also do the trick.
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Details. Elaborate. Don't. f*****g. Censor. It. Or. Filter. Out. Details. That. Are. Sensitive. Or. The. Story. Will. Suck.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 01:51 Post subject:
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he lies as to where he is all the time (reasons: most likely his friends either don't like me, or are too reclusive a group to invite), he basically uses me for his own needs such as alcohol purchasing (my brother is 21), and rides. There are few intances where he does let me in on anything he's planning in the near future (such as tonight), and i'm more or less ignored whenever i try to give him advice on his failing life.
I'm not interested in making him change, i'm just interested in making him feel the pain of being basically screwed weekly on every weekend. The only reason i attempt to hang out with him instead of my own friends i know much better and have a lot more in common with, and feel much better around, is because i've known him longer and he lives closer (across the street). I've got options until i decide he's more worthy of my time, then i'm limited to what he has planned.
Thism puts me in a hard place because i have to choose weekly between more reliable friends over a childhood friend i've known since i was 2. I've decided tonight i'm not gonna take this shit anymore and i'm just gonna say f**k it and do something about it. I want to make him sorry, but there's not much he cares about more than p***y, cars, or booze. And he's got all that whenever he wants (for the most part).
I'm not expecting him to ever change, I'm not expecting to ever talk to him again after this year (after we head off to college), except for the holiday occasions where we come home to family (which he will be doing for at least a decade).
There's a fine line between a*****e and d*****s. He's crossed that line tonight by lying to my face for the 50th time, pure d**k, thats all i can think of as a word to describe his bastardness.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 02:00 Post subject:
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man who cares, just hang out with ppl who aren't fuckheads.
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NickPSH
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 02:04 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | he lies as to where he is all the time (reasons: most likely his friends either don't like me, or are too reclusive a group to invite), he basically uses me for his own needs such as alcohol purchasing (my brother is 21), and rides. There are few intances where he does let me in on anything he's planning in the near future (such as tonight), and i'm more or less ignored whenever i try to give him advice on his failing life.
I'm not interested in making him change, i'm just interested in making him feel the pain of being basically screwed weekly on every weekend. The only reason i attempt to hang out with him instead of my own friends i know much better and have a lot more in common with, and feel much better around, is because i've known him longer and he lives closer (across the street). I've got options until i decide he's more worthy of my time, then i'm limited to what he has planned.
Thism puts me in a hard place because i have to choose weekly between more reliable friends over a childhood friend i've known since i was 2. I've decided tonight i'm not gonna take this shit anymore and i'm just gonna say f**k it and do something about it. I want to make him sorry, but there's not much he cares about more than p***y, cars, or booze. And he's got all that whenever he wants (for the most part).
I'm not expecting him to ever change, I'm not expecting to ever talk to him again after this year (after we head off to college), except for the holiday occasions where we come home to family (which he will be doing for at least a decade).
There's a fine line between a*****e and d*****s. He's crossed that line tonight by lying to my face for the 50th time, pure d**k, thats all i can think of as a word to describe his bastardness. |
Wait ten years then slowly destroy all he owns to the point where he can't claim it on insurance etc. Kbarr proves knowledge is power!
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 02:29 Post subject:
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he's a materialistic yuppy, in a nutshell, and he can be with the kind of money his dad makes, he even mentioned to me that he needs to get some money out of his dad for his new pc he's makin.
I don't think i can destroy anything of his given he's within eyesight of me anytime i'm near his hous seeing as how he's got a giant glass window facing my house, and whenever i'm at his house i'm never too far from him, so... he's basically in control of his possesions.
I'm generally not the grudge holding type, but for the sake of teaching his stupid ass a lesson i might have to just teach him a lesson. He could use a few new scratches (he's already dented his new Nissan x-terra his parent's baught him... the dumb-f**k yuppe he is) in his SUV, but i think if i set his computer to wake for a set task (opening a program or something easy), after i turned off his computer hibernate mode (only way to wake it for a set task) and then hacked his IP, and deleted his entire hard drive i think he'd be heartbroken. Maybe if i installed a few viruses he's be a little more prone to pain.
i hope he shows me some sign of remorse for his d**k-like actions, or does something to make it even slightly easier to accept as pure immaturity.
but i doubt that will happen unless he somehow finds all this i've written about him (seeing as how i've tried endlessly to get him to actively participate on these boards he might just troll by and read this).
/bitterness
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 03:31 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | he lies as to where he is all the time (reasons: most likely his friends either don't like me, or are too reclusive a group to invite), he basically uses me for his own needs such as alcohol purchasing (my brother is 21), and rides. There are few intances where he does let me in on anything he's planning in the near future (such as tonight), and i'm more or less ignored whenever i try to give him advice on his failing life.
I'm not interested in making him change, i'm just interested in making him feel the pain of being basically screwed weekly on every weekend. The only reason i attempt to hang out with him instead of my own friends i know much better and have a lot more in common with, and feel much better around, is because i've known him longer and he lives closer (across the street). I've got options until i decide he's more worthy of my time, then i'm limited to what he has planned.
Thism puts me in a hard place because i have to choose weekly between more reliable friends over a childhood friend i've known since i was 2. I've decided tonight i'm not gonna take this shit anymore and i'm just gonna say f**k it and do something about it. I want to make him sorry, but there's not much he cares about more than p***y, cars, or booze. And he's got all that whenever he wants (for the most part).
I'm not expecting him to ever change, I'm not expecting to ever talk to him again after this year (after we head off to college), except for the holiday occasions where we come home to family (which he will be doing for at least a decade).
There's a fine line between a*****e and d*****s. He's crossed that line tonight by lying to my face for the 50th time, pure d**k, thats all i can think of as a word to describe his bastardness. |
So basically what you're saying is...
You're a tool and he doesn't want to bring you around his friends (who are probably pretty cool people) because you're a f*****g loser?
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i didnt know u had friends that close
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go f**k his mom
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 04:12 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | he's a materialistic yuppy, in a nutshell, and he can be with the kind of money his dad makes, he even mentioned to me that he needs to get some money out of his dad for his new pc he's makin.
I don't think i can destroy anything of his given he's within eyesight of me anytime i'm near his hous seeing as how he's got a giant glass window facing my house, and whenever i'm at his house i'm never too far from him, so... he's basically in control of his possesions.
I'm generally not the grudge holding type, but for the sake of teaching his stupid ass a lesson i might have to just teach him a lesson. He could use a few new scratches (he's already dented his new Nissan x-terra his parent's baught him... the dumb-f**k yuppe he is) in his SUV, but i think if i set his computer to wake for a set task (opening a program or something easy), after i turned off his computer hibernate mode (only way to wake it for a set task) and then hacked his IP, and deleted his entire hard drive i think he'd be heartbroken. Maybe if i installed a few viruses he's be a little more prone to pain.
i hope he shows me some sign of remorse for his d**k-like actions, or does something to make it even slightly easier to accept as pure immaturity.
but i doubt that will happen unless he somehow finds all this i've written about him (seeing as how i've tried endlessly to get him to actively participate on these boards he might just troll by and read this).
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dude that sounds so childish, i mean, read that again, and think to yourself of the kind of person you are. he doesn't want to hang out with you, and you want to hack his computer? lol maybe he isn't the problem, i think it's time for a mirror check
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 04:26 Post subject:
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You're going to wreck his property for not hanging out with you??? Err, that's kind of creepy.
You should notice something when you get older: your circle of friends shrinks. Life actually gets more complicated beyond who you're gonna see a movie with tonight. You'll have more important shit to do, and you'll go months or even years without seeing some of your friends. You probably won't even miss 'em! It's over between you and him, s***w it. You're not going to have the time to fart with him anymore.
And stop hooking the ungrateful b*****d up with alcohol.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 04:30 Post subject:
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here is a solution
"ak 1200 with the automatic clip, blasting out with the darkhold grip"
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that shit happends when you grow up ATM..
in High School i lost all friends who i had knows since we were like 3-4 years old.
We grew apart. It happends.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 07:55 Post subject:
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He isn't your friend.
Get over it.
Does anyone else sense a strange creepiness?
I know his "friend" did.
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heaven help us if you get a girlfriend
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Yanbik
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 09:12 Post subject:
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this seems kind of "womeny" meaning its all emotional.
Be a man and go talk to him instead of beating around the bush and making it seem worse then it is or could be.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 10:47 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | man who cares, just hang out with ppl who aren't fuckheads. |
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 11:50 Post subject: Re: backstabbing a******s.
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| ATM Banana wrote: | so what does one do to a friend you've known for more than 97% of your waking life who has backstabbed you and lied to your face repeatedly on several different occasions?
i'm leaning towards falling out, but something more deceptively cunning, and severly punishing might also do the trick. |
The revenge game doesn't work well when they live across the street. Just stop hanging out with him. When he calls, say that you don't feel like doing anything tonight, or that you're going out with other friends (make sure it's something he can't get in on, like 6 man poker or something). If you get caught lying, you can always get into an argument where you remind him of all the times he lied.
Just start cutting him off. Either he'll forget about you (which means he's a user), beg you to hang out with him (user), or ask you if you're mad for some reason (he likes you, but may still be a user).
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 11:51 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | You're going to wreck his property for not hanging out with you??? Err, that's kind of creepy.
You should notice something when you get older: your circle of friends shrinks. Life actually gets more complicated beyond who you're gonna see a movie with tonight. You'll have more important shit to do, and you'll go months or even years without seeing some of your friends. You probably won't even miss 'em! It's over between you and him, s***w it. You're not going to have the time to fart with him anymore.
And stop hooking the ungrateful b*****d up with alcohol. |
Holy shit. That's so true.
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Occulis
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The other day I was visiting a web run by people who don't like me. Or maybe it was today. I can't quite remember which, because the days all sort of blend together when you do tech support and hate life. Anyway, it was good to see these people have all kept up with themselves, their friends, their social circle and whatnot. Hopefully few, if any, of them read my site because I'm about to flame people like them and I'd really rather not have any of them take personal offense to my rants.
I try to criticize or mock people without naming them. It's good therapy. Naming people is pointless, and I made that mistake once. In high school, I wrote a s****y story and made the painful and unfortunate error of naming one of my contacts at the time by his very well-known alias. I'm positive I hurt his feelings back then, and I have apologized to him, but the damage was done and it was overall a pretty s****y moment. Even if the story hadn't sucked, which it did, I would still feel badly.
So now you have a little background as to why I don't normally name names when flaming people. If you're reading this and your skin ignites, your stomach churns or your spine tingles with embarrassment then just assume I'm talking about someone else, because I probably am but you just happen to fit my description.
I came to a realization about "friendships" and human relationships in general the other day. Despite my wordy blogs and not-so-shabby vocabulary, I'm actually a pretty stupid guy. I like to develop software and write fiction, but I have obsessive-compulsive tendencies and sometimes it takes me years to really wise up.
Wise up to what? To patterns in the social net we all share. Some things just don't click with me at all, and most things take 3 days to 3 years to really sink in.
Now the meat of it.
What do you and your friends do together? I mean... what do you really do together? Go see movies? Play games together? Get drunk? Mostly good times, right?
How do you depend on them? Are they room mates? Do they drive you to work when your car is in the shop? Those sorts of things, yes?
See... you don't know these people. Now, I know what you're thinking, "You arrogant shit. Who are you to tell me I don't know my friends?" I'm a guy who is trying to get past your defensive side, just for a couple minutes, to get you to think about something.
What do you and your friends really depend on each other for? What do you strive to accomplish together, as a team? Outside of the military and any self-generated social drama, what joint projects do any of you actually share? Do you build something together? Anything? A house, a business, a family?
As I browsed this groups web site, I skimmed over all these posts these guys are making. It's mostly happy-go-lucky stuff: game reviews, music reviews, "Where are we going to eat out next?" polls and those sorts of things. Good times.
I see a lot of names I recognize, and part of me really yearns to contact these people again. But then something clicks in the back of my head, and a little voice asks me to recall, without too much memory distortion, the exact activities we all did as friends.
Hm... movies, video games, just hanging out... uh... we liked to walk around the mall... uh... movies... uh.... beer...
Exactly.
That's about as far as it went. Good times. Fair weather. Let me repeat that. Fair weather.
As I read more and more of their public livelihoods, I became interested in their lives again. Only this time not like, "Wow, I really miss so-and-so. I wonder how he and his wife are doing?" This time it was a little more quiet. It wasn't reminiscing or yearning, it was observation.
More movie reviews, more comic books, more Hollywood fan-boys and anti-fan-boys. Same shit, different decade. So-and-so is moving away, so-and-so is moving back. Someone's neighbor found a dead squirrel in their yard. Someone else's mother passed away. It read like a Y2K version of Our Town.
An hour passed and I realized I had read several hundred, maybe a thousand or so posts, and the word hit me. A word - no - the word bolted out of my Microsoft Natural 101 Keyboard and stamped itself deep in my forehead. A single word described their entire lifestyle. Every whim, dream, and mediocre failure of this group was summed up with one word.
Consumerism.
That's all these kinds of friendships are about. They have the latest gadgets and see the latest movies together. They love Brand X Entertainment, be it stock car racing, fly fishing, or whatever the media is frenzying them into this year. They travel out-of-state to see friends, carry bottles of wine as presents, and all get together in a big 12-man huddle on random week nights at random yuppie rat traps like Chili's, TGI Friday's and Applebee's. There they pat each other on the backs and j**k themselves off telling each other what good friends they are.
But are they really?
Who has to depend on who? Oh, sure, you get along with Billybob now - but what about when he gets drunk and pukes on your favorite bucket of Star Wars toys? You don't invite him over for a month or so. You can't just call him up and say, "Hey a*****e clean this shit up next time you're over." You know why? Because that's what you would do to a friend. And Billybob, your shitpie acquaintance, is not your friend any more than you are his. Suzy is great until she won't f**k you, and then suddenly she's not so welcome in the circle any more. Sorry, Suzy. Best of luck fitting in somewhere else!
Sure, they've all got lives. One guy is the equivalent of an insurance salesman or maybe a ditch digger. Another guy has two or three kids and makes 70k a year. These are their "day lives." But at night, on weekends, and whenever they get free time - what are they doing?
Consuming.
What do any of these people actually depend on each other for? Entertainment? Chips and dip? Is that it? How f*****g shallow is that? Could you be any more insincere? "C'mon, Dave, bro, remember the MGD this time."
I recall the hundreds and hundreds of days I spent in this team - wait - it's not a team. Teams do something. Let me try again. I recall the hundreds and hundreds of days I spent chilling with these people over the coarse of a few years. What good did any of us do for each other?
And, no, I'm not ranting about being the "good guy" or some b******t. I'm not saying I hated my friends at the time. I really enjoyed doing what we did - but it begs the question: What separated our long-term acquaintances from true friendship? Were any of us really friends, or were we just acquaintances with a lot of history?
Maybe I'm asking too much... but I don't think so. What are these kinds of friendships ever going to really do for each other? Toss around burned CDs of the latest Shitracer 6000 on the latest home console home system? You call that contributing? Try tossing around a few dozen diapers full of baby shit and keeping your friends kids safe while he sleeps for a few hours? Not gonna happen, is it?
"I'm there for you, man. I'd take a bullet for you." Well f****n-A you would. That only takes a few seconds and you get to be a martyr. Congratulations, you didn't have to do any work whatsoever. How about when my wife is 6 months pregnant and I need someone to pick me up for work at 6am every day, you stay sober for a week and volunteer to do it? That's a little more difficult, isn't it? To actually live up to your, "I'm there for you, man" insincere b******t pledges you keep tossing out. Not gonna happen.
I guess what I'm really raging against is the idiocy and boredom I feel when thinking about these kinds of friendships. Not these people in particular. Hell, I don't even know any of them any more - but they do serve as a perfect example.
I believe you never really know someone until you have to depend on them for something, not just once or twice, but with enough frequency that their real character shows.
Kids sharing their toys. That's all this kind of life is.
So what other kinds of friendships are there? Surely I've had others!
Well, it only took a couple nanoseconds to answer that one. When I was in a band, we were tight. Maybe our music sucked, maybe it was good. That's irrelevant. We had to depend on each other to show up on time, sincerely practice, and take each others strengths and fuckups seriously. It was great fun - but it also tested us. When I was in Aikido, we had to depend on each other for not only safe training and a good workout, but for literally life and death. If you weren't paying attention, you could paralyze or kill someone by throwing them wrong.
What are consumer-friendships depending on?
"Dude. Wanna see Passion of Christ?"
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 13:57 Post subject:
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Thank you Doctor Occ. for the wonderful insight.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 14:42 Post subject:
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Very nice, Occulis. I agree and disagree.
The friends I had in high school, the ones I've known since I was 12 (some since I was 7), we had great times together. We still do. When I make plans to hang out, I look forward to that time because I know we'll have fun. Sure, our fun is based around consumerism, but that doesn't mean that this is the only thing the relationship is based on. For instance, I like seeing movies with friends, but I won't go to the movies alone. I need someone to relate to, someone to laugh with, someone to discuss things with.
Every Tuesday night I play D&D with 5 other guys. We have a blast between the joking, role-playing, etc. I love it! It's about relating with people. I consider them friends, but I don't expect them to loan me 2 grand or help me bury a body in the desert.
Humans are strange creatures. We thrive with others, but are separate beings. In the end, we are alone. There are things in others' minds we'll never know, regardless of how long we've known them. That's why it's called "independant thought".
Do you know people that have to be around others all the time, they seem needy? Or people that shy from situations in which others are involved, they seem like loners?
I don't know where I'm going with this, but I suppose I can say to enjoy your friends for what they are. Most people won't ever have the self-sacrificing, always there true friend you see in Braveheart-like films. And should we blame our friends for not being that? It would be selfish to hold them to those expectations. Even marriage partners get tired of sacrificing after awhile. If you're a drunk or an addict, it's reasonable to assume your wife will eventually get tired of making excuses for you and just quit on the marriage.
In the end, we need to be able to rely on ourselves, because in the end we are solitary beings.
P.S. Let's see if we can leave religion out of this conversation.
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Occulis
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Hey that's a neat reply and I agree. My rant/blurb was written in January about a very specific set of ppl. The message didn't really come out right but it's good enough for now I guess.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 16:00 Post subject:
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the next time he'd ask for booze, i'd just tell him you're sick of his attitude, and that you're gonna go hang with your other friends. don't sound whiny, bitchy, or butt hurt.
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 17:09 Post subject:
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Food for thought on Realpoor. How rare.
Thanks Occulis & Silvermouse =)
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 17:49 Post subject:
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thank again silvermous and occulis.
yeah, i was having a little bit of a hissy fit, only because i've got a few other things bothering me, and it just seemed easier to vent on one situation.
no, i'm not actually serious about going and making his life hell, like i said, i'm not one to hold a grudge, even today i had completely forgotten about it, and considered calling him up to see whats up.
Occ, and silvermous explained it really well, and apparently they've been through some pretty long friendship relationships, and the entire consumerism focus of most friendships is also very true. I agree with many points made by both.
well, i never expected this thread to last more than 20 minutes, thanks for the help docter occulis, and professor silvermous.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 19:12 Post subject:
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Re: Occulis comments:
I kind of agree. But I don't think it's so much an indictment of any specific set of friends, as of our specific culture. Or maybe most cultures. Big picture, what we are is consumers. Also workers, but productivity being what it is in our society, being a consumer is as important as being a producer, maybe more so. A century ago, the majority of society were worker bees. They worked as much as possible, raised families, and got just enough leisure to keep them working. Now we're consumer bees, for the good of society: that's our job. Semi-serious example is my cable internet speed: 1.5 mbit/sec down, 128K up. I'm meant to be a consumer, not a producer.
When wasn't I like this? When I was in college, and grad school. The incredible thing about that time is it's the last time I recall that everyone around me was interested in ideas, in what they could learn that hadn't been learned before, or make that hadn't been made before. We sat around and talked about nothing but ideas. Of course, we were stoned most of the time, but the principle still holds  Maybe that's the reason drugs are still illegal, and probably always will be. We wanted some consumer stuff, but our wants were pretty modest: a place to live with no bugs and enough room for all your stuff, a car that didn't cost too much or break down, a decent stereo. But mostly to do something new.
As for depending on people, and real friends, I'd say the best ones I had were when I lived in what was not exactly a commune, but sort of along those lines. I loved that existence. We all had our jobs, we depended on each other to grow food, cook, clean, pay the bills, organize social and political events.
And you know when else: EQ. Maybe that's part of the attraction of EQ. A lot of times, you were needed as part of a group or guild. Again you had people depending on you, people sacrificing their time and effort, even in real life, to help you. Maybe it restored, or at least hinted at, some of that belonging and depending that you don't get in real life.
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 19:21 Post subject:
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Sink,
I tried to avoid mentioning EQ because my target audience was a group of people who really look down on my game-playing obsession/hobby. But yeah... EQ really brings out some interesting moments in friendship. 
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Buntz
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Posted: 03/28/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | Sink,
I tried to avoid mentioning EQ because my target audience was a group of people who really look down on my game-playing obsession/hobby. But yeah... EQ really brings out some interesting moments in friendship. |
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