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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 00:32    Post subject: abort every black baby for great justice! Reply with quote

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/index.html

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Bennett under fire for remarks on blacks, crime

Friday, September 30, 2005; Posted: 1:08 p.m. EDT (17:08 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats blasted former Education Secretary William Bennett on Thursday for saying that aborting "every black baby in this country" would reduce the crime rate, and demanded their Republican counterparts do the same.

"This is precisely the kind of insensitive, hurtful and ignorant rhetoric that Americans have grown tired of," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan told reporters on Friday that President Bush "believes the comments were not appropriate."

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, had called on President Bush to condemn the comments by Bennett, who was anti-drug chief in Bush's father's administration.

"What could possibly have possessed Secretary Bennett to say those words, especially at this time?" Pelosi asked. "What could he possibly have been thinking? This is what is so alarming about his words."

Bennett stood by his comments Thursday night.

"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.

"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."

"We've got to have candor and talk about these things while we reject wild hypotheses," Bennett said.

"I don't think people have the right to be angry, if they look at the whole thing. But if they get a selective part of my comment, I can see why they would be angry. If somebody thought I was advocating that, they ought to be angry. I would be angry."

"But that's not what I advocate."

Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, "I don't think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology."

Bennett served as Reagan's chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1981-1985 and secretary of education from 1985-1988. From 1989-1990, he served as "drug czar" in the administration of the elder Bush.

Rush called on "my friends, the responsible Republicans" to rebuke the former Cabinet official by backing a House resolution condemning his remarks as "outrageous racism of the most bigoted and ignorant kind."

"Where is the indignation from the GOP, as one of their prominent members talk about aborting an entire race of Americans as a way of ridding this country of crime?" asked Rush, a former Black Panther. "How ridiculous! How asinine! How insane can one be?"

He called instead for "aborting" Republican polici
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 00:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.


What he's saying is that black people commit more crimes than white people, therfore killing blacks equals a lower crime rate. And he was secretary of education?

I don't think the argument itself is repulsive and offensive, but his very basic premisis is.

Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites, but poor people commit more crimes than rich people. As most rich people are white, that makes black/white crime statistics rather worthless. Comparing the crime rate of rich whites vs rich blacks, and poor whites vs poor blacks and you get a different picture.


When asked what could be done to decrease crime rates, the answer is increased education and a decrease in poverty.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 00:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites


Unfortunately that statement isn’t true. Do a search on google of "black incarceration" showing many figures refuting your statement, such as:

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0811-03.htm

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On April 1, 2000, nearly one in 33 California blacks was behind bars, recent census figures reveal. At the same time, one of every 205 whites and one in 122 Latinos were held in the state’s jails and prisons. California has a black incarceration crisis.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.


What he's saying is that black people commit more crimes than white people, therfore killing blacks equals a lower crime rate. And he was secretary of education?

I don't think the argument itself is repulsive and offensive, but his very basic premisis is.

Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites, but poor people commit more crimes than rich people. As most rich people are white, that makes black/white crime statistics rather worthless. Comparing the crime rate of rich whites vs rich blacks, and poor whites vs poor blacks and you get a different picture.


When asked what could be done to decrease crime rates, the answer is increased education and a decrease in poverty.


Clueless idiot.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:17    Post subject: Re: abort every black baby for great justice! Reply with quote

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/index.html

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Bennett under fire for remarks on blacks, crime

Friday, September 30, 2005; Posted: 1:08 p.m. EDT (17:08 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats blasted former Education Secretary William Bennett on Thursday for saying that aborting "every black baby in this country" would reduce the crime rate, and demanded their Republican counterparts do the same.

"This is precisely the kind of insensitive, hurtful and ignorant rhetoric that Americans have grown tired of," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan told reporters on Friday that President Bush "believes the comments were not appropriate."

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, had called on President Bush to condemn the comments by Bennett, who was anti-drug chief in Bush's father's administration.

"What could possibly have possessed Secretary Bennett to say those words, especially at this time?" Pelosi asked. "What could he possibly have been thinking? This is what is so alarming about his words."

Bennett stood by his comments Thursday night.

"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.

"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."

"We've got to have candor and talk about these things while we reject wild hypotheses," Bennett said.

"I don't think people have the right to be angry, if they look at the whole thing. But if they get a selective part of my comment, I can see why they would be angry. If somebody thought I was advocating that, they ought to be angry. I would be angry."

"But that's not what I advocate."

Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, "I don't think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology."

Bennett served as Reagan's chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1981-1985 and secretary of education from 1985-1988. From 1989-1990, he served as "drug czar" in the administration of the elder Bush.

Rush called on "my friends, the responsible Republicans" to rebuke the former Cabinet official by backing a House resolution condemning his remarks as "outrageous racism of the most bigoted and ignorant kind."

"Where is the indignation from the GOP, as one of their prominent members talk about aborting an entire race of Americans as a way of ridding this country of crime?" asked Rush, a former Black Panther. "How ridiculous! How asinine! How insane can one be?"

He called instead for "aborting" Republican polici


He was quoted out of context by scumbag democrats.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

woah, i was just thinkin about how u could seriously rid the earth of a certain race too
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soriak wrote:
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If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.


What he's saying is that black people commit more crimes than white people, therfore killing blacks equals a lower crime rate. And he was secretary of education?

I don't think the argument itself is repulsive and offensive, but his very basic premisis is.

Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites, but poor people commit more crimes than rich people. As most rich people are white, that makes black/white crime statistics rather worthless. Comparing the crime rate of rich whites vs rich blacks, and poor whites vs poor blacks and you get a different picture.

When asked what could be done to decrease crime rates, the answer is increased education and a decrease in poverty.


This is just going to continue an argument from a different post I think but read what he actually said.

Crime rates among blacks are very definitely higher than among any other minority. It is certainly higher than the national average, by a sizable margin IIRC. You would almost surely lower the average crime rate by following his suggestions. He did, however, go on to say that it was totally reprehensible and that the point was to show that the ends do not justify the means. It was not an action he was advocating nor was it intended to be taken as a serious solution.

Just another example of the race card being played inappropriately. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qienn wrote:
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Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites


Unfortunately that statement isn’t true. Do a search on google of "black incarceration" showing many figures refuting your statement, such as:

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0811-03.htm

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On April 1, 2000, nearly one in 33 California blacks was behind bars, recent census figures reveal. At the same time, one of every 205 whites and one in 122 Latinos were held in the state’s jails and prisons. California has a black incarceration crisis.


Blacks (and to a lesser extend Latinos) are much poorer on average than whites. The reason mostly blacks remained in NO wasn't that blacks just happen to be less likely to follow evacuation warnings, but that among those who couldn't afford to get out, the vaste majority was black.


What he should have said is "if you abort every kid born into poverty, crime rates would drom dramatically" - that'd be a true statement.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

If poverty is the key, then why is there an order of magnitude difference between blacks and hispanics? You can't argue that hispanics are financially better off than blacks
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If poverty is the key, then why is there an order of magnitude difference between blacks and hispanics? You can't argue that hispanics are financially better off than blacks


cuz poverty is an excuse not a reason
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 01:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soriak wrote:
What he should have said is "if you abort every kid born into poverty, crime rates would drom dramatically" - that'd be a true statement.


No...he shouldn't have said that. He chose a statement that was so reprehensible that it could not be taken seriously in order to illustrate the point that the ends do not justify the means. The fact that he chose a race adds to it's offensiveness. That's exacty why he did it. Your statement is still offensive but it is not the most offensive, which is precisely the effect he was going for.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 03:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soriak wrote:
Qienn wrote:
Quote:
Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites


Unfortunately that statement isn’t true. Do a search on google of "black incarceration" showing many figures refuting your statement, such as:

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0811-03.htm

Quote:
On April 1, 2000, nearly one in 33 California blacks was behind bars, recent census figures reveal. At the same time, one of every 205 whites and one in 122 Latinos were held in the state’s jails and prisons. California has a black incarceration crisis.


Blacks (and to a lesser extend Latinos) are much poorer on average than whites. The reason mostly blacks remained in NO wasn't that blacks just happen to be less likely to follow evacuation warnings, but that among those who couldn't afford to get out, the vaste majority was black.


What he should have said is "if you abort every kid born into poverty, crime rates would drom dramatically" - that'd be a true statement.


Clueless idiot.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 03:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha @ political correctness
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 03:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuldaan wrote:
Soriak wrote:
What he should have said is "if you abort every kid born into poverty, crime rates would drom dramatically" - that'd be a true statement.


No...he shouldn't have said that. He chose a statement that was so reprehensible that it could not be taken seriously in order to illustrate the point that the ends do not justify the means. The fact that he chose a race adds to it's offensiveness. That's exacty why he did it. Your statement is still offensive but it is not the most offensive, which is precisely the effect he was going for.


Clueless idiot.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 03:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about time you got around to saying that to me. I was starting to feel left out.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 04:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

n***a stole my bike
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 08:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah, double post

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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 09:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother aborting the babies?

Just kill all the black adults since they're the ones doing the crimes.

Then, when the babies grow up you can always use the line of...

'Now behave yourself or the culling men will get you!'
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 10:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Black War On White Americans
An Overview of U.S. Crime!


What image do you have of racial violence in tha U.S.? Wizzle type of person do you thiznink commits interracial or "hate" crime? If you git yo 411 fizzle tha mass media (TV, radio, major b***h n popular magazizzle you probably have an image of a vicious, ignorant, gun-lov'n, hate-fizzle skinheezee, Klansman, or militizzle - all white of course, T-H-to-tha-izzat is a completely false stereotype. The trizzuth is exactly tha opposite ya feelin' me?!

The media, protected class minorizzles n anti-white politizzles expect you ta twiznist in anguish over black-on-black crime or tha rare but well-publicized white-izzle crime, but they neva mention tha M-to-tha-izzuch greata amount of black-on-white crime? Yes, blacks commit mizzle crime against whites (1.58 million crimes per year) thizzan they do against otha blacks (1.34 million crimes per year) so jus' chill! It's a virtual war of B-L-to-tha-izzack criminals n white victims so you betta run and grab yo glock!

You'll b***h read tha facts in tha national media! Why?
Paul Sheehan, an Australian brotha dug out tha saggin' 411 fo` an article in tha Sydney Cruisin' Herald , May 2, 1995 . It's your homie snoop dogg from the dpg. Sheehan based his statistics on crime dizzle compiled by tha FBI n partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched at tha FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.

Since tha FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics n whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect tha black-white crime situation. Only `bout 10-15% of Hispanics is white, wit tha rizzle being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, n blacks. Hispanic crime rates is almost as hizzle as B-L-to-tha-izzack crime rates. This means tizzle tha data Sheehan compiled on inta-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of tha "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic against black crime if you gots a paper stack. (Information `bout this aspect of shot calla crime wizzill be presented in a related article.) Here is tha 411 Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of tha FBI's crime reports:

Blacks murda more T-H-to-tha-izzan 1,600 whites each year.
Blacks murda whites at 18 times tha rate whites gangsta blacks.
Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted `bout one million whites in 1992.
In tha last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent n non-violent crimes against whites n shit.
Blacks unda 18 is mizzle tizzy 12 times mizzy likely ta be arrested fo` murda thizzan whites unda 18 . Drop it like its hot.
`bout 90% of tha victims of interracial crimes is white.
Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes thizzay whites, although whites outnumba blacks by 7 ta 1 n shit.
On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times mizzle violent crime tizzle whites.
Bliznack neighborhoods is 35 times more violent tizzy white neighborhoods.
Of tha 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less T-H-to-tha-izzan 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
Of tha 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
Of tha tha 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) is blizzack against white.
In tha P-to-tha-izzast 20 years, violent crime increazed four times fasta thizzay tha populizzles.
In tha last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 thugz wizzle iced in interracial drug deala compared ta 38,000 iced in Korea n 58,000 in Vietnam . Drop it like its hot.
Sheehan commented tizzle tha contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in tha U.S. mainstream media.
In tha last 50 years, tha white piznart of tha American populizzle has declined from 90% ta 72% . Wussup to all my niggaz in the house. The U.S. now has `bout 33 million blacks n 25 million Hispanics (legal n illegal). By tha year 2050, American whites wizzy be a minority , jizzy 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of tha populizzles. Whizzat wizzy life fo` whites be like in tha future?
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 11:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soriak wrote:
Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites, but poor people commit more crimes than rich people.


These two statements are incongruous. If most blacks are poor, and poor people commit most crimes, then logically it's fair to assume that blacks commit most crimes. What you may have meant to say was that blacks don't commit more crimes just because they're black, but rather because they're more economically depressed in general than whites, and that may also be the case, but if you look deeper into the reasons they're poor you'll see that it's pretty much their own fault. Stop with the m***********g "don't blame blacks, blame whites for making them poor" b******t already. When THOUSANDS of poor Central Americans can smuggle themselves into the United States, somehow make their way all the way up to New York, and make a decent living cutting lawns, while blacks in that very neighborhood stand around and watch, I find it hard to believe that Whitey is the cause of the black man's sorrows.

Let's revisit the idiocy of the bleeding-heart liberal's assertion that all men are truly created equal. Why are there so many Jews in business? Why are there so many blacks playing pro sports? Why is it always some guy from Ethiopia winning marathons? Why are there so many Dominicans in baseball? Why are there so many Indian doctors and researchers? Is it even REMOTELY possible that one inherits strengths and weaknesses from one's ancestors? The stupid crybabies seem to think not. There are different breeds of dogs with different temperaments, strengths, weaknesses, sizes, shapes, and intelligence levels. Why is it so anathema even to suggest that human beings -- also members of the animal kingdom, nearly genetically identical to other primates -- also have breeds with different strengths and weaknesses, including physical and mental strength?

Also, this guy's statements appear to have been taken out of context, and more to the point, he's the former Secretary of Education. If he's just a regular citizen now, who f*****g cares what he says? f**k the Democrats for making a big deal out of this. And on an unrelated note, f**k the idiots who criticized Hastert for suggesting that we not dump billions of dollars into rebuilding New Orleans exactly the same. f*****g cretins.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 12:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renaan Hellfire wrote:
Why bother aborting the babies?

Just kill all the black adults since they're the ones doing the crimes.

Then, when the babies grow up you can always use the line of...

'Now behave yourself or the culling men will get you!'


LOL Nice update on control measures for little children. Forget the boogie man, here comes Culling Man!
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 12:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crime is in every walk of life. Some just have the ability to hide it better than others.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 12:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frehya wrote:
Crime is in every walk of life. Some just have the ability to hide it better than others.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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it's a good idea.
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motherface wrote:
Soriak wrote:
Blacks don't commit more crimes than Whites, but poor people commit more crimes than rich people.


These two statements are incongruous. If most blacks are poor, and poor people commit most crimes, then logically it's fair to assume that blacks commit most crimes. What you may have meant to say was that blacks don't commit more crimes just because they're black, but rather because they're more economically depressed in general than whites, and that may also be the case, but if you look deeper into the reasons they're poor you'll see that it's pretty much their own fault. Stop with the m***********g "don't blame blacks, blame whites for making them poor" b******t already.


Yeah, once you compare white/blacks respectively to their income bracket, there's little difference. So, of course you're right that blacks commit an overproportional number of crimes, but that the cause of this is rather poverty than some genetic disposition.

And I never said whites are to blame for that. I agree with you that too many people put blame where it doesn't belong and fail to take responsibility themselves.

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And on an unrelated note, f**k the idiots who criticized Hastert for suggesting that we not dump billions of dollars into rebuilding New Orleans exactly the same.


No kidding, I'm with you on that. I think paying the relatives of 9/11 set a bad precedent and now they have to deal with racial accusations. "Wah, wah, you just don't spend billions because blacks are affected!"

imo dieing from any disaster - terrorist attack or hurricane - is tragic, but neither merits getting millions of dollars from the government to compensate for anything. I would support giving preference to local businesses though and allow the residents to get (small) short term loans with 0% interest - larger loans for businesses that were profitable before the hurricane. Allow them to fix things on their own, possibly even requiring out-of-state companies to hire employees from the affected areas for the rebuilding effort.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 14:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frehya wrote:
Crime is in every walk of life. Some just have the ability to hide it better than others.


Girl logic.
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PostPosted: 10/01/05 - 14:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

an innocent life is worth infinitely more than a convict.


what we need is prison to be worse and more death penalty...


this would help a lot of the f****d up blacks fix their attitude.
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