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euphonious
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 Posted: 08/09/04 - 23:47 Post subject: "Mission Accomplished"
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/franks.mission.ap/index.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retired Gen. Tommy Franks tried to take the blame Monday for President Bush's much-criticized comments declaring an end to major combat in Iraq more than a year ago.
"That's my fault, that George W. Bush said what he said on the first of May of last year, just because I asked him to," said Franks, former commander of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Less than two months after the invasion of Iraq, Bush flew to a U.S. aircraft carrier and declared an end to major combat with a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" in the background.
The event, Bush's words and the banner have been repeatedly criticized and mocked since that first day of May 2003. The Iraq occupation turned more violent, American deaths continued to mount and U.S. forces failed to find weapons of mass destruction, a main rationale for the war.
"I wanted to get the phase of military operation over as quickly as I could, because a lot of countries on this planet had said as soon as that major stuff is over, we'll come in and help with all of the peacekeeping," Franks said.
"On the first of May when Bush did what he did, I was proud of him because he did what I, as the commander, had asked him to do," Franks said in an appearance at the National Press Club. "So if there's a mistake there, it's mine, not a plot. So I thought I'd share that with you. "
Franks noted that the Bush administration has had limited success persuading other nations to participate in Iraq. Of some 160,000 foreign forces there now, about 140,000 are American.
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| Mr. John 'I Hate America' Kerry wrote: |
Now I know there are those who criticize me for seeing complexities - and I do - because some issues just aren't all that simple. Saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq doesn't make it so. Saying we can fight a war on the cheap doesn't make it so. And proclaiming mission accomplished certainly doesn't make it so. |
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 00:28 Post subject:
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Can everyone say...
President Franks?
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 01:12 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | Can everyone say...
President Franks?
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Wtf that guy looks like Mr Roper
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 01:29 Post subject:
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Can everyone say...
President Franks?
No but I can say 'The Fall Guy Franks"
Actually, he did a pretty good interview on NPR last week. Pretty cool guy.
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 03:29 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | Can everyone say...
President Franks?
No but I can say 'The Fall Guy Franks"
Actually, he did a pretty good interview on NPR last week. Pretty cool guy. |
Fall guy? The only reason leftists hate Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech is because it was so utterly successful. And sorry, but it was true. The mission was to conquer Iraq, and it was conquered amazingly quickly with amazingly few casualties. Even Akronn predicted that 10,000 would die. We're at about 10% of that a year later as soldier have moved onto the next mission...securing Iraq's future. There will be plenty more missions to come in the next decade as we clean the infestation.
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 09:30 Post subject:
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o stfu idiot
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 10:02 Post subject:
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your definition of "conquered" seems to be missing the fact that lots of people are dead since then... and are still dying by the way
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Reebo
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 10:06 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Even Akronn predicted that 10,000 would die. |
Wow you need new sources.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 10:48 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | your definition of "conquered" seems to be missing the fact that lots of people are dead since then... and are still dying by the way |
My definition of "conquered" means that we overthrew the government and control the country. Your definition of conquered presumes that the Saudi Royal Family does not rule Saudi Arabia because terrorists have been attacking their civilians or that the US Government does not preside over America because there are dozens of murders every day and occasionally an Oklahoma City Bombing. Bush never claimed an end to fighting. He claimed an end to major battles, which was completely true. There was a war phase, an occupation phase and a reconstruction phase. We recently entered the third.
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 13:46 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | Can everyone say...
President Franks?
No but I can say 'The Fall Guy Franks"
Actually, he did a pretty good interview on NPR last week. Pretty cool guy. |
4 years from now....
4 years:)
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 15:30 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | something stupid |
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Zonk
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Posted: 08/10/04 - 16:07 Post subject:
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Obmar wrote:
| Quote: | | your definition of "conquered" seems to be missing the fact that lots of people are dead since then... and are still dying by the way |
Yea our young are dieing you know how many people died in 9/11?
take that and multiply it by 1000 and that is your civilian death toll if we do not act. Women and children included, mabye even yours.
Soldiors have a job to do and they are doing it very well with honor in Iraq.
The truth is Iraq was conquered and still is, and "major operations" were over. You dont see a swarm of 400 tanks and 300 artillary fireing into baghdad on many days anymore do you?
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Vengar_OO
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Posted: 08/12/04 - 11:18 Post subject: -==-
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Kerry's just p****d off because Bush gave that speech on an aircraft carrier before he could think of it.
LT Kerry reporting for duty sir!
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Posted: 08/12/04 - 11:23 Post subject:
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General Franks is the man.
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/12/04 - 11:24 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | General Franks is the man. |
agree
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 08/12/04 - 13:35 Post subject:
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The killing won't end until we leave, and we're never going to really leave. Eventually it will just be a once a month type deal in the paper where a soldier and 3 iraqis were killed, etc.
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Vengar_OO
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Posted: 08/15/04 - 16:09 Post subject: -==-
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Interesting take on the whole "mission accomplished" phrase and picture.
Taken from http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/
"Zombie Accomplished"
It seems I have forgotten a very obvious phrase of the Zombie Left. It’s so obvious that it could have held a protest march right in front of me while burning effigies of President Bush and I would have missed it. As my dad used to say “You couldn’t find it if it was going to jump out and bite you.” Never mind that if it was going to jump out and bite me I wouldn’t be looking for it. Anyway, I digress. As you’ve probably figured out today’s knee j**k phrase of the Zombie Left is “Mission Accomplished”. Whenever there is a setback in Iraq, usually a soldier being killed, the Zombie Left refer smugly to that picture and say “Mission Accomplished” sarcastically. It’s as almost if they relish it whenever a U.S. soldier gets killed. What they are referring to is the speech that President Bush gave in May of 2003 on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln where he declared that the majority of fighting was over in Iraq. Behind him was a banner declaring “Mission Accomplished”. While I agree that saying the majority of fighting was over was a bit premature, the banner had nothing to do with that speech. The banner was actually put there by the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln. The ship was returning home after a 10 month international deployment.
“It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew,” Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president’s visit marked the end of the ship’s 10-month international deployment.
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So add this to the lexicon of the left that will get you disqualified for using in a political argument. Unless your point was to make yourself look like an unoriginal, blind party following, non-researching assclown. Then it’s “Mission Accomplished”.
As always it was your pleasure.
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Posted: 08/15/04 - 16:17 Post subject: Re: -==-
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| Vengar_OO wrote: | Interesting take on the whole "mission accomplished" phrase and picture.
Taken from http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/
"Zombie Accomplished"
It seems I have forgotten a very obvious phrase of the Zombie Left. It’s so obvious that it could have held a protest march right in front of me while burning effigies of President Bush and I would have missed it. As my dad used to say “You couldn’t find it if it was going to jump out and bite you.” Never mind that if it was going to jump out and bite me I wouldn’t be looking for it. Anyway, I digress. As you’ve probably figured out today’s knee j**k phrase of the Zombie Left is “Mission Accomplished”. Whenever there is a setback in Iraq, usually a soldier being killed, the Zombie Left refer smugly to that picture and say “Mission Accomplished” sarcastically. It’s as almost if they relish it whenever a U.S. soldier gets killed. What they are referring to is the speech that President Bush gave in May of 2003 on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln where he declared that the majority of fighting was over in Iraq. Behind him was a banner declaring “Mission Accomplished”. While I agree that saying the majority of fighting was over was a bit premature, the banner had nothing to do with that speech. The banner was actually put there by the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln. The ship was returning home after a 10 month international deployment.
“It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew,” Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president’s visit marked the end of the ship’s 10-month international deployment.
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So add this to the lexicon of the left that will get you disqualified for using in a political argument. Unless your point was to make yourself look like an unoriginal, blind party following, non-researching assclown. Then it’s “Mission Accomplished”.
As always it was your pleasure. |
Ahh...
More truth.
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 01:27 Post subject:
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Sorry Franks, but being a commander doesn't make you commander and chief.
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scrotum
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 01:35 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: |
Fall guy? The only reason leftists hate Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech is because it was so utterly successful. And sorry, but it was true. The mission was to conquer Iraq, and it was conquered amazingly quickly with amazingly few casualties. |
LOL...the "war" in Iraq is far from sucessful you moron. Americans die today, and they will die tomorrow. thats pretty damn successful if you ask me, huh?
Theres 3 things you need to do to make it a sucess.
1. Stabilze the country's government
2. Get rid of the people killing your men every day.
3. Leave the country
Until then the "mission" is a complete failure.
Dumbfuck
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 02:05 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | Confused wrote: |
Fall guy? The only reason leftists hate Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech is because it was so utterly successful. And sorry, but it was true. The mission was to conquer Iraq, and it was conquered amazingly quickly with amazingly few casualties. |
LOL...the "war" in Iraq is far from sucessful you moron. Americans die today, and they will die tomorrow. thats pretty damn successful if you ask me, huh?
Theres 3 things you need to do to make it a sucess.
1. Stabilze the country's government
2. Get rid of the people killing your men every day.
3. Leave the country
Until then the "mission" is a complete failure.
Dumbfuck |
GOATFUCKER!!!!
Clueless as ever!
Socialist greek scumbag, please tell us more!
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Vengar_OO
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 02:17 Post subject: -==-
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| scrotum wrote: | | Confused wrote: |
Fall guy? The only reason leftists hate Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech is because it was so utterly successful. And sorry, but it was true. The mission was to conquer Iraq, and it was conquered amazingly quickly with amazingly few casualties. |
LOL...the "war" in Iraq is far from sucessful you moron. Americans die today, and they will die tomorrow. thats pretty damn successful if you ask me, huh?
Theres 3 things you need to do to make it a sucess.
1. Stabilze the country's government
2. Get rid of the people killing your men every day.
3. Leave the country
Until then the "mission" is a complete failure.
Dumbfuck |
The banner was not put up for Bush. It was there because the carrier was coming home from a 10 month deployment.
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 11:58 Post subject: Re: -==-
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| Vengar_OO wrote: | | The banner was not put up for Bush. It was there because the carrier was coming home from a 10 month deployment. |
Yeah Vengar, but the democRats don't want to understand that little nuance.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 12:08 Post subject:
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Well, the White House has admitted that they (the US government printing office) made the banner for the ship. They claim that the sailors on the ship asked for it, though no specific sailor is credited as coming up with the specific message "Mission Accomplished", and the author of that phrase has not been identified to this day. Given the exposure, you'd think someone might have taken credit for it. Does every returning ship always get a huge banner made for it by the US government printing office? Or was this, totally coincidentally, a first? Just like the total coincidence that put Bush directly underneath it for his photo op.
One thing this administration has taught us, over and over, is it doesn't matter what you say, just as long as there's no proof to the contrary.
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 12:18 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | Well, the White House has admitted that they (the US government printing office) made the banner for the ship. They claim that the sailors on the ship asked for it, though no specific sailor is credited as coming up with the specific message "Mission Accomplished", and the author of that phrase has not been identified to this day. Given the exposure, you'd think someone might have taken credit for it. Does every returning ship always get a huge banner made for it by the US government printing office? Or was this, totally coincidentally, a first? Just like the total coincidence that put Bush directly underneath it for his photo op.
One thing this administration has taught us, over and over, is it doesn't matter what you say, just as long as there's no proof to the contrary. |
I call b******t, please post link to this story, am betting it's from a lib rag.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 12:23 Post subject:
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Hmm, I'll have to look it up. I thought that was common knowledge.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 12:34 Post subject:
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This is a copy of a New York Times article (which is archived). Obviously Common Dreams is pretty liberal, as is the New York Times, but they're just directly quoting the White House Press Secretary. I remember a lot more discussion about this at the time, the White House clearly stated that they had the banner printed because the sailors supposedly asked them to. That sort of triggers my b******t detector. I sort of doubt that sailors are in the habit of calling up the White House and asking for huge banners to be printed every time they finish a mission.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1029-02.htm
| Quote: | Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 by the New York Times
Bush Steps Away From Victory Banner
WASHINGTON, Oct. 28 — The triumphal "Mission Accomplished" banner was the pride of the White House advance team, the image makers who set the stage for the president's close-ups. On May 1, on a golden Pacific evening aboard the carrier Abraham Lincoln, they made sure that the banner was perfectly captured in the camera shots of President Bush's speech declaring major combat in Iraq at an end.
But on Tuesday in the Rose Garden, Mr. Bush publicly disavowed the banner that had come to symbolize what his critics said was a premature declaration that the United States had prevailed.
"The `Mission Accomplished' sign, of course, was put up by the members of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished," Mr. Bush told reporters. "I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff. They weren't that ingenious, by the way."
Well, yes and no. After the news conference, the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, carefully elaborated on the president's words.
The banner "was suggested by those on the ship," he said. "They asked us to do the production of the banner, and we did. They're the ones who put it up."
The man responsible for the banner, Scott Sforza, a former ABC producer now with the White House communications office, was traveling overseas on Tuesday and declined to answer questions. He is known for the production of the sophisticated backdrops that appear behind Mr. Bush with the White House message of the day, like "Helping Small Business," repeated over and over.
Mr. Bush's Democratic competitors for president immediately pounced on his disavowal.
Gen. Wesley K. Clark, for one, said that Mr. Bush's comments blaming the sailors "for something his advance team staged" were "outrageous." |
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 12:47 Post subject:
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Well there you go...New York Times. IMHO, they are almost as bad as the National Enquirer nowadays.
/shrugs
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 14:01 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | Well there you go...New York Times. IMHO, they are almost as bad as the National Enquirer nowadays.
/shrugs |
I kind of saw that coming - was there a correct answer though?
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Obmar
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