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Obmar
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 Posted: 06/24/04 - 17:29 Post subject: XBox2 no backward compatability... doh!
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=3645
| Quote: | Sources close to Microsoft's senior Xbox executives have confirmed that the company does not intend to make its next-generation console, which is set to be launched by late 2005, backwards compatible with existing Xbox software.
Speculation about the backwards compatibility functionality has been rife since it emerged that Xbox 2 - codenamed Xenon - will have radically different hardware to the original system, with a non-x86 processor, no hard drive and an ATI, rather than NVIDIA, graphics chipset, all of which would make running Xbox titles on the platform very difficult.
It was widely believed, however, that Microsoft had retained a team of hardware emulation experts to work on the problem - although concerns over the viability of such an endeavour were voiced by some experts, especially regarding the company's ability to emulate the functions of the graphics unit in the Xbox without violating NVIDIA's intellectual property rights.
GamesIndustry.biz has now learned that Microsoft does not plan to provide any backwards compatibility in the next-generation Xenon platform - and indeed, that senior executives at the company don't believe backwards compatibility to be an important feature for consoles.
According to a source close to the project, internal Microsoft figures suggest that only 10 per cent of PlayStation 2 purchasers were interested in the console's ability to play titles developed for the original PlayStation.
Although this still represents some seven million consumers on a global basis - which is around half of Microsoft's entire installed base for Xbox - the company apparently believes that allowing consumers to play existing Xbox titles on the next-generation hardware would not be a significant deciding factor for Xenon purchasers.
However, a report into the videogames industry published today by Wedbrush Morgan Securities senior vice president Michael Pachter disagrees with this conclusion - arguing that failing to provide backward compatibility could have the effect of alienating Microsoft's existing Xbox installed base.
"In the event that Xbox Next is not backward compatible, we think that the device will be very slow to grow its footprint," the report warns, while elsewhere it suggests that such a move could damage the company's long-term prospects for the console.
"We do expect Microsoft to launch its console first, perhaps as early as 2005," says Pachter. "Should it choose to do so without backward compatibility or significant third-party software support, we expect to see its first-mover advantage evaporate."
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Banzai
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 17:40 Post subject:
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,,!,, MS
Any thought of buying titles for XBOX in favor of the PC just went away.
The more I game the more I don't like any platform except the PC.
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Paco
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 17:41 Post subject:
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/agree
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Jinu
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 17:46 Post subject:
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MS should pay me $1million to tell them that backward compatibility is vital.
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Aviger
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 17:54 Post subject:
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That's a very dumb decision by microsoft.
Lots of people wont "upgrade" because it costs to much.
Hell, even after "upgrading" your pc you can still play games from 10+ years ago. Granted some with some processor slowing product but still.
I would never have bought a PS2 if i could not play my old games on it.
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Ashenor
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:12 Post subject:
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Who cares?
I could give a f**k less about it because i always buy all the systems. What do i care about some gimp that can't play a xbox game on his xbox 2? He should have bought one then.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:17 Post subject:
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| Aviger wrote: |
I would never have bought a PS2 if i could not play my old games on it. |
Same here - that was a major selling point for me considering I had quite a large PS1 collection.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:19 Post subject:
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the real key issue here is that MS is too cheap to put a HD into the xbox 2 which is why there is no backwards compatiblity.
ashenor youre a f*****g retard... and I am not even going to embarass you by getting into why, just take my advice and try to change.
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:20 Post subject:
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I read something that the next generation of consoles are going to be extremely expensive.
PS3 is suspossed to be like $500
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Jinu
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:26 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | the real key issue here is that MS is too cheap to put a HD into the xbox 2 which is why there is no backwards compatiblity.
ashenor youre a f*****g retard... and I am not even going to embarass you by getting into why, just take my advice and try to change. |
But they are going to put in sizeable flash memory, which I think is a smart idea. They should let you attach a HDD if you want however.
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Ashenor
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:37 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | the real key issue here is that MS is too cheap to put a HD into the xbox 2 which is why there is no backwards compatiblity.
ashenor youre a f*****g retard... and I am not even going to embarass you by getting into why, just take my advice and try to change. |
Bring it you f*****g chump.
If i want to play a old game, which i never really do i will dig the system out.
The xbox is not using a HD next gen is one of the main reasons. I have never played a ps1 game on my ps2 and i probably bought more then 200 ps1 games.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 18:59 Post subject:
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| Haphasto wrote: | I read something that the next generation of consoles are going to be extremely expensive.
PS3 is suspossed to be like $500 |
Yeah I read that as well. The PSP is supposed to be like $249
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 19:00 Post subject:
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i'm a big gamer, but i'm sure as hell am not going to pay $500 for a console. $200 - $300 is already pushing it for me...
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Ashenor
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 19:15 Post subject:
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I don't know even at $500 i would still buy it, but that would hurt there sales in the long run. Thats why most console makers are willing to take a loss on the units to make up for it in the software and 3rd party licenses.
How much was the Nes i think $250 or so wasn't it back in like 84?
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Clevinger
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 19:32 Post subject:
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thats not really a relevant comparison since pc's are so cheap now and they were super expensive back then.
500 is a rip might as well just play computer games if they are gonna charge that much.
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Ashenor
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:08 Post subject:
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If it is $500 thats a price of a new video card which you need to update more often then a console anyways.
/shrug
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:11 Post subject:
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Sorry - I still will not pay $500 for ANY console. I dont care if it sucks my d**k....ok well maybe if it sucked my d**k, but other than that, no way.
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:13 Post subject:
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| Ashenor wrote: | Who cares?
I could give a f**k less about it because i always buy all the systems. What do i care about some gimp that can't play a xbox game on his xbox 2? He should have bought one then. |
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:14 Post subject:
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| Jakanden wrote: | | Sorry - I still will not pay $500 for ANY console. I dont care if it sucks my d**k....ok well maybe if it sucked my d**k, but other than that, no way. |
ditto. I can maybe do 300, but anything over that is outrageous. Especially for the $50 games you have to buy along with it. And being a game collector I don't like to buy used games that have stickers thrown all over them (I.E. Blockbuster)
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:17 Post subject:
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| Haphasto wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Sorry - I still will not pay $500 for ANY console. I dont care if it sucks my d**k....ok well maybe if it sucked my d**k, but other than that, no way. |
ditto. I can maybe do 300, but anything over that is outrageous. Especially for the $50 games you have to buy along with it. And being a game collector I don't like to buy used games that have stickers thrown all over them (I.E. Blockbuster) |
I buy all my games used pretty much. Why the f**k should I pay $40-50 for a game when I can get the same thing for $15-25 (or cheaper). Sure it means I dont buy games when they are first released but I have so many other games to play until I get a used copy it really doesn't matter =)
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:27 Post subject:
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| Jakanden wrote: | | Haphasto wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Sorry - I still will not pay $500 for ANY console. I dont care if it sucks my d**k....ok well maybe if it sucked my d**k, but other than that, no way. |
ditto. I can maybe do 300, but anything over that is outrageous. Especially for the $50 games you have to buy along with it. And being a game collector I don't like to buy used games that have stickers thrown all over them (I.E. Blockbuster) |
I buy all my games used pretty much. Why the f**k should I pay $40-50 for a game when I can get the same thing for $15-25 (or cheaper). Sure it means I dont buy games when they are first released but I have so many other games to play until I get a used copy it really doesn't matter =) |
well having a used game doesn't bother me. it's just the used games that say blockbuster has that have 500 blockbuster stickers on the case, and on the cd itself. Since I collect games, it really doesn't look good. I'd deffinately buy alot more used games if i could find a place that didn't have stickers all over them.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:32 Post subject:
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I get em from EB Games or Rhino Games. Neither of those have stickers on them
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 20:37 Post subject:
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EB games...I think they just put one of those down here, i'll have to look into that. I do remember some stupid commercial where some guy wants to buy a used final fantasy game from a toy store, and the old lady tells him they dont have used games. Was a hoot and a hollar.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 22:18 Post subject:
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| Jinu wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | the real key issue here is that MS is too cheap to put a HD into the xbox 2 which is why there is no backwards compatiblity.
ashenor youre a f*****g retard... and I am not even going to embarass you by getting into why, just take my advice and try to change. |
But they are going to put in sizeable flash memory, which I think is a smart idea. They should let you attach a HDD if you want however. |
flash memory is all well and good but unless they have that new flash memory they are designing that doesnt wipe when you power down it still sucks, one of the biggest reasons i liked the xbox and the cartridge systems before it was because saving a game wasnt a pain in the ass with having to buy memory cards and remember where i put them and which saves where on which card... honestly i dont even care if its a big HD, and the fact that HDs are what, a buck a gig now doesnt help the fact, you know what the stupid pos special HDD is gonna be right? 8 gigs or so insanely overpriced when they could have tacked 10 bucks onto the system cost and given us the same shit.
As far as using old systems when you wanna play old games, ya you can do it but its a pain in the ass, i dont want to drag my old systems out of the attic every time i want to play an old classic game, dont know about you but there are alot of people who DO play old games even years after they bought um, hell i played through ocarina of time and super metriod just a few months ago... and mystical ninja for snes which i still cant f*****g beat. 1992-2004.. and still cant f*****g win.
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Haphasto
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Posted: 06/24/04 - 22:23 Post subject:
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Ocarina of Time is one of my favorite games of all time. I sold all of my N64 games when it was still somewhat a hot item, and kept the N64 and Ocarina of time. I only kept it for the collectors sake, I mean you can very easily find N64, SNES, Genesis, and NES emulators out there with every single game.
Only thing I have to lug out every now and then is my Dreamcast. Power Stone, Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, and Shenmue are still worth a play every now and then.
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Finigan
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Posted: 06/25/04 - 06:18 Post subject:
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Not making it backwards compatible is just stupid. Right now in front of the TV me and my bro have 4 friggin systems taking up way too much room a PS2, X-box, Gamecube, and Dreamcast. Now im gonna start having to stack my X-box 2 on my X-box 1 and my PS 7 on my PS 4 and so on.
Being able to play old games kicks ass, digging your old ass system out of a box in the garage does not.
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 06/25/04 - 08:23 Post subject:
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They should just make a big "Playeverything" console that will run any console game ever made.
Errr, wait, nevermind, my PC will do that.
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Mogling
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Posted: 06/25/04 - 09:39 Post subject:
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Actuly there are a number of reasions why it wont have the HD or run current xbox games. First off verry few devlopers took advantage of the xbox's HD, yeah you could save 500000000 games to it, but if they have a reasionable sized flash drive (256megs+) I dont think saving will be an issue. Oh btw YES it will be the kind of memory that dosent get wiped when you turn it off and on. Thats just a stupid question. As for backwards compatibility it is mostly hardware problems. Microsoft is going with a diffrent chip maker. Yes they could do alot of software emulation if you want games to run at 2fps. But really if you already have an xbox and alot of games I dont see why its such a big deal.
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compusmack
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Posted: 06/25/04 - 10:06 Post subject:
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haha xenon.
What a fitting name for something likely to go over like a lead balloon.
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Cardnyl
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Posted: 06/25/04 - 11:56 Post subject:
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/shrug
theres always the computer and the free games therein 
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