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CompleteGibberish
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 Posted: 02/28/07 - 21:26 Post subject: Word of advice before paying for anything
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Dont deal with @yahoo
@hotmail
@gmail
@juno
etc etc
In the "Real" world you do not do business with a guy who gives you a phone booth as his address or a guy who lives in a box. Why send money or give info to a person using a contact venue such as a free email provider ?
If the person does NOT have a VALID ISP address and contact number ( NO CELL NUMBERS) then do not do the deal. If he sounds like hes under 18 on the phone, ask to speak with his parents. If he hangs up,call back during school hours and let his parents know hes attempting fraud 
If its an adult get his full name and address if he/she will give it. Inform them that to protect you and them you will be doing a short background check to verify the person(s) living at the house hold,length there and known palces of employment by utilizing this service. 14.00 aint a lot to spent if it means you save a few hundred bucks.
I read people,personaly. A lot is said in the way a person writes,talks, acts and the things he digresses about. A person who is straight to the point, everytime you make a friendly chit chat comment, he goes back on point, somethings up It may be harmless, but per the internet, its safer to assume hes in a hurry to getthis done, and thats usually a bad sign....unless hes late for work
Be wary of someone who says Dude a lot. Either hes too young,too stupid or too stoned to trust. Seems silly,but its the truth. People who are making money by choice are usually happy and nervous. Dude is not a subconscious word. yes/no/ok/sir/ma'am/alright,etc,etc are. it sounds confusing,but trust me
People with unusual requests. Do not call me except between this tiem and this time...and its an odd time. Again,do not allow cell phone communication. If someone says its all they have.that they have cable and a cell phone because its cheaper, ask for more personal info and STILL i advise DO NOT DEAL WITH THEM.
I just want everyone to be cautious.
I cannot stress the no cell phone,no freemail sales. its just a sure shot way to get owned.
Use PAYPAL at your own risk. Paying with a visa and then calling visa and claiming foul is the fastest way fo paypal to take your funds back. VISA will alwayes assume their customer calling with a complaint is right. VISA will take money from Paypal, so paypal will then take your money. BS you say ? Been there doen that 3 times. I used to be a heavy hitter on eBay years back with EQ sales. before yantis and IGE and all of them existed. I was pulling in 3-5 grand a month on the side. I accepted personal checks, POSTAL MONEY ORDERS and wire transferes. Bank to bank fraud is a felony of the worse kind as far as banks go and it takes very little to prove John Doe is screwing you and then hes on his way to be a soap dish for misappropriation,fraud and a few others
I just hate too see all of these people who got screwed and all they had to do was take a few precautions to either blow a sale or cover their ass and at LEAST not be on the loosing end.
In closing...PAYPAL is dangerous.
eBay was no safer than doing biz here
And freemail accounts=bend over.
The people i do deals with MUST supply me a PH#, thier personal info,place of residence and POSTAL MONEY order only since then it becomes mail fraud...a federal offense
p.S im sure i typo'ed the living hell out of this rant, please bear with my p**s poor typing skills
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vboisset
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Posted: 03/02/07 - 02:00 Post subject: lol
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i think that you are totally wrong about what is said in this post man. ive traded with people who used paypal and cellphone, (sold and bought) and have not once got scammed. your just assuming, and thats dumb and will not get you far in bussiness.
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/02/07 - 11:53 Post subject:
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Wow, not even an intelligent rebut.
I advised against ti as a personal prefferance. If you actually read my post it is advice and not law.
The use of words like dumb and busssinneessss( i type bad, but your spelling.....) was actually uncalled for. Your lack of comprehension leads me to belive that puberty has smacked you in the head recently and forced you to not think clearly.
Based on MY interaction with buyers/sellers and scammers in the last 8 years, my advice is SOUND and SAFE.
Just remember anyone who uses a VISA card to pay for a purchase thru PayPal can rip you a new one in seconds
http://www.aboutpaypal.org/paypal_sucks
OH,and paypal is one of the biggest fraudulant services in the world right now So, YOU keep giving them power and i will keep laughing at you !
And,Disposable cell phones....lol, keep doing business with cell phones 
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reflekt
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Posted: 03/04/07 - 06:58 Post subject:
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you have some nice points.
one thing you should add is when you get scammed through paypal, they have you send the scammer a message and if they don't answer, and say i scammed you, you stay scammed.
(scam too many times in one sentence <3)
well yeah, thanks for the rant =D
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/04/07 - 10:13 Post subject:
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Well its all from personal expierience. I learned the hard way about the simple ways to get screwed. I was pulling in 30k a year when EQ was in full swing and utilizing these ideas i had maybe 1500.oo in sales go sour.
BUT HEY ! Im sure some anxious,over-eager teenager will alllow his EYES to overcome his BRAIN in order to fatten his WALLET....and we will hear " BOO-HOO" here
People can trade however they like. Some people feel if something doesnt sell in 3-4 days that they are doomed and when someone does make an offer they are willing to give up the whole common sense thing just to get paid because there is no interest in what they have. A general lack of patience is the most definable factor in how people get scammed.
I jsut sold a WOW account, here, and it took several weeks . People wanted to trade thsi and that from hotmail,yahoo,etc,etc. Paypal you this, will you do this before i send you the money and just blah blah blah in general.
The person i did sell it too had no problem driving to the post office,getting a postal money order and mailing it next day air. Its not hard and its not a lot to ask. IF THE PERSON IS LEGIT A POSTAL MONEY ORDER GIVES THEM MORE SECURITY THAN PAYPAL.
After all,Paypal is owned by eBay...and we know how bad people s***w people on eBay and if they had a large success rate on resolutions then we wouldnt be hearing how bad people get screwed on ebay
Hey, its here to help, not to spout my BS in a fashion of " Do this because im cool and you should listen to me "
its moer of a " TRY this because i have been scammed 30-40 times in relation to virtual goods and this seems to be the most safe set of guidelines based on past burnings"
Your welcome to takr a 500.00 paypal payment,from an unrverified paypal member using a 893WOWownsJoo98@hotmail.com....im sure hes 100% on the up and up. AND, if he is....a small drive wont kill him and will ensure you security and if he refutes the cashing of the money order, chuckle, then when its proven he DID try a scam, he has commited a FEDERAL OFFENSE.....and uncle sam ...well....he aint paypal or ebay....he definatly dont take @#$@
Some facts.
Paypal IS NOT a banking instituition. They do not HAVE to operate under the same federal guidlines that a bank does. they can sieze and hold your cash. Common practice is to size both accounts when a scam is complained about and hold them for 90-120 days, gaining interest, and doing nothing. Seriously.
Paypal has more lawsuites than any tobacco company pending at this moment.
I sued paypal for theft by deception,misapropriation of federally secure funds. Fraund. Violation of the digital millineum act....i recieved a settlement.
Do not use paypal. DO NOT USE ANYTHING THAT DOESNT INVOLVE A BANK OR THE US TREAURY INITIALLY.
Bank to bank wire transferes work as well. 1 Call to verify if the funds were sent. GIve a cool down period of 24 hours then give the info. Do not want joe scam to call his bank and say he made a mistake. After a day he has to go thru legal channels.
i know this is long and repetative. A lot of you know this
But those that do not and especially the young ones ( I saw the doors live,did you ?) This is advice from on high. And repetition is how we train people. Good luck guys !!!!!!!
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random1986
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Posted: 03/06/07 - 17:50 Post subject: how should students trade then?
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Hey guys how's it going?
Ok i've been reading what you've said and all about paypal and trading on here against people with free email addresses, and I think you're right to an extent and that it can become risky if there are scammers about.
My problem with that would be that surely there are loads of students out there just like myself that don't have a business email address. If you are claiming not to trade with people like us, how are we supposed to trade then?
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/06/07 - 19:55 Post subject:
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Thats up to the seller/buyer.
If your a student and wanted to do business with me, i would probobly say if you can afford to buy from me you can afford to buy an email address.
Security, if your not willing to give, why deal with you ? Show me people here who are getting screwed by xxxx@hotmail/yahoo/etc/etc.com
Then show me the people getting screwed by xxxx@bellsouth/comcast/etc/localISP.net/com
I would feel safe betting a body part that the ratio is MASSIVLY skewed to the freemail addresses, and im talking 99%+.
Would you give all of your posessions to a storage service without a contract ?
Would you trust some guy on the street to hold your wallet/credit cards while you leave for a few minutes ?
I hardly see a differance. people expect other people to bend over for them and deal with it because " Thats all we can afford" BUT you can pay for an account and a monthly fee........hipocracy will smite you in the ass my son
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/06/07 - 19:59 Post subject:
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Anyway,before i cut myself off
I am not telling people what they should and should not do.
I am giving advice based on my past history in dealing whith John Q Kid and his freemail and his paypal account.
If people want to take it with a grain of rice,so be it. It's your money, not mine. And we all know that oppinion's are like a******s,everyones got one and most are full off.....well...you decide what i am and am not full of, do as you like.
Heh, ohh,i reflect on a friend whos son was nailed for running a mail fraud scam using a mailboxes to go account...yah i trust students, they are the pillar of our future, heheh, Lump em all into one pile, it's safer.
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lolzman
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Posted: 03/09/07 - 02:20 Post subject:
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i wanted to add to the whole student thing, use a school based e-mail address if you can, it can save alot of hassle
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/09/07 - 09:03 Post subject:
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Yah
.edu or .gov make me feel a bit easier right off the bat.
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/13/07 - 01:35 Post subject:
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About "swapping"
There is only 1 safe way to swap, and that is with a 3rd party, NON-INVOLVED 3rd party.
A non-involved 3rd party is pretty hard too find. I had tinkered with the idea of offering a service, at a fee, to do so. The only problem is
A.Most people swapping do so because they do not want to level or do not have the cash to purchase a character of their choosing.
B.How to accept payment with my philosophy of no paypal
C. How to deal with the fall out of someone running a scam.
Even with no clear involvement in a scam,any 3rd party will be accused by the person scammed simply because he was scammed. So therein lies a potential liability issue as well as one big headache.
So,with that in mind, a 3rd party would have to receive, verify and edit the information on both accounts and THEN swap as to ensure there would be no "scam" and that would not be a free service
My advice for those swapping here is find someone here who has a good rep and is community helpful. Someone who's been here a lengthy time and approach them with this prospective trade. Explain that they would log into the account management of each of the respective accounts, edit pre-sent information to each account,and then complete the transaction.
To find such a person, jsut look around. Also view some of their posts. While this is in noway safer than any other way here, it is somewhat safer than most
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tylanbo
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Posted: 03/19/07 - 00:38 Post subject:
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I wish posts like this were made public on the trading forums so that members can review it before making purchases. Thank you for your post, too bad it was too late for myself. And your insight on paypal was enlightening for me. Unfortunately ( being a little redundant here ) my " under 18 " self drove me to attempt purchasing accounts from 'less than professional' sellers. I'll never do it again, not without the advice you have gave. Thanks again.
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SmexiLexi
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Posted: 03/19/07 - 14:12 Post subject:
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Maybe some people prefer to remain anonymous online? I know I do for one..
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tylanbo
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Posted: 03/19/07 - 16:29 Post subject:
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remaining anonymous is obviously what a seller would want, that way when he takes your money he can not worry about you contacting him about it....
Although there is realistic reasons for wanting to be anonymous, the truth of the matter is that it is not going to be safe to do business if they have no identity and you are not legally protected from fraud. Simple as that. If you want to risk it, hey, that's your choice...but when ( and oh you will ) get scammed don't be angry.
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CompleteGibberish
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Posted: 03/20/07 - 07:02 Post subject:
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Smexi, people need to understand that to DO business you have to ACT in accordance with what is considered Professionalism.
Anonymity is not a measure of protection, it is a shield that allows theft. Too many people wish to fall behind the whole " I dont want teh BliZZard TO KNOW my Email Cuz dem mights come Kill meh" not the actual fear, but you savy what i mean
A person who is honest in what they are doing will have no problem taking it to another level by sealing the deal with a private contact option. A freemail address promotes the abuse that this site is plagued with.
If the option is available, simple contact your ISP : Comcast, Bellsouth,etc,etc, and set up another mailbox. Most monthly subs come with a number ranging from 5 to 7 email accounts for each subscriber. if your dealing thru your parents account then speak with them. If that is not an option then use your mailbox. If you deal on the level with people you have nothing to fear. If you bend people over, i would expect your email to be signed up with every spam site on the net
Those who defend freemail use for " Privacy" reasons, your flat out full of crap and are doing more damage to this and other communities by your stubbornness, idiocy or scamming. hundreds of thousands of dollars robbed from people using freemail accounts...no, by all means... you KEEP your privacy, your 100-500 is more important that helping others understand and setting a standard that should be common place instead of a rarity
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