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Mugaaz
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| themy wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | themy wrote: | | and 99% of the tax breaks went to the richest 1% because it was a blanket tax break. and well since the rich do pay all the damn taxes in this country they should be the ones getting the biggest breaks. why? because they actually know where to put their money obviously if they are making so much to pay the highest taxes! |
Guess what, rich people don't suddenly become poor because of taxes, they need to f*****g shut up and deal with it. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't get rich. Seriously rich people can cry a f*****g river for all the rest of the world gives a shit. It's like a child complaining they can't have all of the toys at a store. Jesus H. Christ |
so much h8 on the people paying for our societie's free money, free healthcare, and nearly free education. |
People hate rich people becuase they're better then them and they know it.
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Orbit
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 01:47 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | themy wrote: | | and 99% of the tax breaks went to the richest 1% because it was a blanket tax break. and well since the rich do pay all the damn taxes in this country they should be the ones getting the biggest breaks. why? because they actually know where to put their money obviously if they are making so much to pay the highest taxes! |
Guess what, rich people don't suddenly become poor because of taxes, they need to f*****g shut up and deal with it. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't get rich. Seriously rich people can cry a f*****g river for all the rest of the world gives a shit. It's like a child complaining they can't have all of the toys at a store. Jesus H. Christ |
so much h8 on the people paying for our societie's free money, free healthcare, and nearly free education. |
People hate rich people becuase they're better then them and they know it. |
Oh and I thought this country was about we all being equal? You had me fooled 
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Domination
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 02:00 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | themy wrote: | | and 99% of the tax breaks went to the richest 1% because it was a blanket tax break. and well since the rich do pay all the damn taxes in this country they should be the ones getting the biggest breaks. why? because they actually know where to put their money obviously if they are making so much to pay the highest taxes! |
Guess what, rich people don't suddenly become poor because of taxes, they need to f*****g shut up and deal with it. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't get rich. Seriously rich people can cry a f*****g river for all the rest of the world gives a shit. It's like a child complaining they can't have all of the toys at a store. Jesus H. Christ |
so much h8 on the people paying for our societie's free money, free healthcare, and nearly free education. |
People hate rich people becuase they're better then them and they know it. |
Oh and I thought this country was about we all being equal? You had me fooled |
Common sense tells me that our contry is about being equal under the eyes of the government, and they say common sense is common heh.
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 02:23 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | themy wrote: | | and 99% of the tax breaks went to the richest 1% because it was a blanket tax break. and well since the rich do pay all the damn taxes in this country they should be the ones getting the biggest breaks. why? because they actually know where to put their money obviously if they are making so much to pay the highest taxes! |
Guess what, rich people don't suddenly become poor because of taxes, they need to f*****g shut up and deal with it. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't get rich. Seriously rich people can cry a f*****g river for all the rest of the world gives a shit. It's like a child complaining they can't have all of the toys at a store. Jesus H. Christ |
so much h8 on the people paying for our societie's free money, free healthcare, and nearly free education. |
People hate rich people becuase they're better then them and they know it. |
Oh and I thought this country was about we all being equal? You had me fooled |
No, that's communism, which doesn't work in the "real" world. Sorry. :/
Neither does socialism in a practicle sense. Ever wonder why a majority of western Europe and Canada can have such "great" social programs? Because they don't have to pay for a defense, we do it for them. That's right, Americans are working their asses off, and funding our military, that in effect defends the rest of the world so they can spend their money on other things. If they had to pay for their own defense, I can guaran-f*****g-tee you that they wouldn't have nearly as many programs as they do now. They also tax the shit out of their populace, which I think is stupid. I work my ass off for my money and I should have to pay as little to no taxes as possible.
Seriosuly, how can any of you tell me with a straight face, you want to give the government MORE money? You idiots do realize the Federal government is the worst entity to manage your money right? You do realize that large chunks of the budget just "disappear" or are p****d away with stupid shit.
It's a common fact that the following things are true of the two parties in America.
Republicans support free trade, small government, and less spending, strong defense.
Democrats support higher taxes, "fair" trade, big government, lots of spending, weak defense, Social Programs that p**s away tax dollars into the wind.
Now, I'm not for either party, they're both a bunch of f*****g crooks and should rot in hell, but sadly we're locked into a two party system and you *must* choose one or you're basically throwing your vote away.
Now, what makes more sense? Competition in the market place to drive prices down, the consumer wins? Or Federally regulated and controlled programs with lots of waste, zero competition and a hefty price tag?
I don't see how it's not clear to you morons, it's very cut and dry. Kerry is promising the world on a platter, and says it's going to cost you nothing. That smacks of b******t, because money just doesn't grow on tree's and someone's going to get taxed in the ass in-order to pay for his programs.
You may say well "he's going to raise taxes on the rich", but why should the rich be penalized because they made money and you didn't? Now, I'm not in the upper income bracket, I don't make 6 figures a year (yet anyways, as I'm only 20) but America is a land of oppertunity, where we shouldn't punish success, or cater to the poor who are too stupid to help themselves.
Atleast Bush was slightly honest when he said we need to bite the 1 trillion it's going to cost us to fix Social Secruity (which I think everyone should be weened off of and privitized like Bush wants to do, lets face it, the governments interest rates are trash), instead of saying "well, everything is okay" only to have it come back and bite us in the ass 10 years from now.
Now, if you're too stupid to invest the money you make (a small investment into an IRA from the age of 18 contributed regulary every year, will make you well over a millionair by the time you go to retire), then I'm sorry, you're f****d. It's sink or swim baby, and if you don't have what it takes, tough shit for you.
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Buckshot
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 07:52 Post subject: Re: Why do you poor white trash like Bush so much?
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| Scrabler wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | I don't get it. Every redneck from here to Florida likes Bush. The lowest common demoninator of person votes for a person born with a silver spoon in his mouth?
99% of the tax breaks went to the 1% of the population that makes over $200,000 a year, yet you poor bastards want Bush.
Every opportunity he gets he makes the rich, richer, and the poor get poorer.
Anyone care to explain why the poor trash like Republicans so much even tho they don't represent you in the slightest? I figure I have a captive audience here, so I wanna know. |
Lol bro, excellent observation. |
you missed all the arguments against that statement i guess, or you are too ignorant to read them. |
I totally agree with the points he made in that statement. |
that's nice if you agree with the points that have easily been proven to be NOT VALID. wow look i can use red text too, sweet! |
But your red letters are too small and aren't spaced out. Try harder man, if --DEMOCRATES-- can do it anyone can. |
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Buckshot
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| Domination wrote: | heh, I will take Bush over Kerry any day. If you wanna call me poor white trash then i'd really like to know just how much money you have and make..... 6 figures isn't poor last time i checked.
f**k factcheck, I don't need it. I have been owning you f***s every since day one, there are just things you can't account for like kerry having no balls, where were you at during all these threads when no fucktard d*****t democrat could face it?
Kerry is a b***h. He does whatever is hip at the moment, he flips around with whatever is most popular, for the f*****g love of god his cousin ran for the president of france seriously.
He voted against the first war, he betrayed his fellow soldiers in vietnam by calling them war criminals, he threw his medals to the ground which pretty much insults everyone who has gotten them. he wants to wait on the UN to ok everything, heh... The very same people who are getting paid off by iraq ARENT going to ok shit (france, germany). He has changed his position on iraq so many f*****g times its not crazy, He voted against the funding to support the troops in Iraq and afghanistan, haha.. oh before tho he did vote for it!
Your only stance for kerry is to be against bush...... That makes you a f*****g b***h.
The norm for this board and the liberal fuckwits is to come back and point out how bush "led" us to war knowing they didn't have WMD and its just so played, face it - so did your fuckwit kerry. he was under the same impression, he voted for it. |
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 07:57 Post subject: Re: Why do you poor white trash like Bush so much?
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| Buckshot wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | I don't get it. Every redneck from here to Florida likes Bush. The lowest common demoninator of person votes for a person born with a silver spoon in his mouth?
99% of the tax breaks went to the 1% of the population that makes over $200,000 a year, yet you poor bastards want Bush.
Every opportunity he gets he makes the rich, richer, and the poor get poorer.
Anyone care to explain why the poor trash like Republicans so much even tho they don't represent you in the slightest? I figure I have a captive audience here, so I wanna know. |
Lol bro, excellent observation. |
you missed all the arguments against that statement i guess, or you are too ignorant to read them. |
I totally agree with the points he made in that statement. |
that's nice if you agree with the points that have easily been proven to be NOT VALID. wow look i can use red text too, sweet! |
But your red letters are too small and aren't spaced out. Try harder man, if --DEMOCRATES-- can do it anyone can. |
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Uhh..most of y'all are liberals not just Dems.
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 10:09 Post subject:
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I've read a lot of articles from Victor Davis Hanson. He be an edumacated redneck: The Therapeutic Choice
| Quote: | To all you of the therapeutic mindset, listen up. We can no more reason with the Islamic fascists than we could sympathize with the Nazis' demands over supposedly exploited Germans in Czechoslovakia or the problem of Tojo's Japan's not getting its timely scrap-metal shipments from Roosevelt's America. Their pouts and gripes are not intended to be adjudicated as much as to weaken the resolve of many in the United States who find the entire "war against terror" too big, or the wrong kind, of a nuisance...
A Kerry presidency, we know now, will go back to the tried and true institutions so dear to the therapeutic mind that please the elite and sensitive of our society. How silly that most Americans are about through with the U.N. Indeed, we Neanderthals want it relegated to something like the Red Cross tucked away at the Hague, if not on the frontlines in Nigeria or Bolivia. Yes, we dummies have seen enough of its General Assembly resolutions aimed at the only democracy in the Middle East, its promotion of rogue states such as Syria, Cuba, Iran, and Libya to human-rights watchdogs, its corrupt Oil-for-Food program, and its present general secretary and his role in nepotism and sweet-heart contracts at the expense of the Iraqi people. No surprise that a shaken perpetual-president Hosni Mubarak is calling for a U.N. conference on terror with wonderful Arab League logic: 'You kill Jews on your own soil, good; you kill them on mine and lose me money, bad.'...
You all have given your best shot, but I think you are going to lose. Why? Because the majority of Americans does not believe you. The majority is more likely to accept George Bush's tragic view that we really are in a war for our very survival to stop those who would kill us and to alter the landscape that produced them — a terrible war that we are winning.
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Another article from him: Deconstructing Kerry's Case against President Bush
Of course, Kerry can be very persuasive to us unedumacated: Political Ad for Kerry
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 11:15 Post subject:
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doesn't sound uneducated to me....
what was the point?
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 11:24 Post subject:
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| Quote: | I don't get it. Every redneck from here to Florida likes Bush...
Anyone care to explain why the poor trash like Republicans so much even tho they don't represent you in the slightest? I figure I have a captive audience here, so I wanna know.
But the ingenius of this is the poor man likes Bush. Seems to identify with him. Guess cause he's not smart. That's the only reason I can come up with.
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Just responding to the question from the original post. Heh, actually it is kind of humorous how people on both sides of the aisle are just boggled by the opposite side.
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lauren000
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:20 Post subject:
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just saw it on msnbc, "voting for Bush is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"
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lauren000
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:28 Post subject:
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Bush was right on Iraq, but he is still f*****g us domestically. The real question is who is going to lead the country better from *this point*, and that is Kerry imo. Although if I hated faggots, was against abortion, and lived in fear, maybe I would vote for Bush. Our household income is going to break 200k in a year anyways, it's just too bad worldcom stole 40 grand from us and the govt. still taxed us on it, gotta love Bush and his small business solutions. Really standing up for the little guy lolololze.
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themy
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:34 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | just saw it on msnbc, "voting for Bush is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded" |
Getting a **** change is like running in the special olympics, even if you look as good as that britney spears look-a-like you still have to chop off your penis.
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lauren000
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:42 Post subject:
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question: can someone please explain to me why the democrats always blame bush for job loss when it was a direct result of the terrorists that we lost jobs and went into a slight recession? can a democrat explain to me why there is a report coming out or rather was supposed to be out today showing the climbing figures of job increases that now parallels the 90's boom?? |
because like republicans they don't know anything about the economy. And the tech and cs industry is going to shit, while we deal with corporate fraud back at home. If that explains it any.
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lauren000
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:44 Post subject:
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| themy wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: | | just saw it on msnbc, "voting for Bush is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded" |
Getting a **** change is like running in the special olympics, even if you look as good as that britney spears look-a-like you still have to chop off your penis. |
look better, but yeah pain sucks. Although I'd argue the demerol>pain
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Pankrat
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:45 Post subject:
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Yes, more taxes, regulations, increased beauracracy and socializing medicine are the answer!
Let's not forget to erode our sovereignty by agreeing for our military to be subject to the international criminal court and hamstring our economy by signing Kyoto. (The cleanest major industrial country in the world will have the strictest controls on emisions - thats us, and the dirtiest polluters like China will have the least - yay!)
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Buckshot
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 12:57 Post subject: Re: Why do you poor white trash like Bush so much?
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | I don't get it. Every redneck from here to Florida likes Bush. The lowest common demoninator of person votes for a person born with a silver spoon in his mouth?
99% of the tax breaks went to the 1% of the population that makes over $200,000 a year, yet you poor bastards want Bush.
Every opportunity he gets he makes the rich, richer, and the poor get poorer.
Anyone care to explain why the poor trash like Republicans so much even tho they don't represent you in the slightest? I figure I have a captive audience here, so I wanna know. |
Lol bro, excellent observation. |
you missed all the arguments against that statement i guess, or you are too ignorant to read them. |
I totally agree with the points he made in that statement. |
that's nice if you agree with the points that have easily been proven to be NOT VALID. wow look i can use red text too, sweet! |
But your red letters are too small and aren't spaced out. Try harder man, if --DEMOCRATES-- can do it anyone can. |
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Uhh..most of y'all are liberals not just Dems. |
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 14:04 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | Yes, more taxes, regulations, increased beauracracy and socializing medicine are the answer!
Let's not forget to erode our sovereignty by agreeing for our military to be subject to the international criminal court and hamstring our economy by signing Kyoto. (The cleanest major industrial country in the world will have the strictest controls on emisions - thats us, and the dirtiest polluters like China will have the least - yay!) |
Kerry stated during the debate that Kyoto was flwed, but that we should not have just walked out
Nice distortion of the facts and fear-mongering though.
WTF? do you actually believe what you just typed above? Because that is some scary ass b******t you are pandering
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Pankrat
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Yep I sure do believe the shit I'm posting and ya it is scary. 20+ years in the senate and his pro-commie/anti veteran stance when he came back speak louder than his last minute verbal jockeying pandering to the middle. Just my opinion 
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themy
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 14:38 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | Pankrat wrote: | Yes, more taxes, regulations, increased beauracracy and socializing medicine are the answer!
Let's not forget to erode our sovereignty by agreeing for our military to be subject to the international criminal court and hamstring our economy by signing Kyoto. (The cleanest major industrial country in the world will have the strictest controls on emisions - thats us, and the dirtiest polluters like China will have the least - yay!) |
Kerry stated during the debate that Kyoto was flwed, but that we should not have just walked out
Nice distortion of the facts and fear-mongering though.
WTF? do you actually believe what you just typed above? Because that is some scary ass b******t you are pandering |
like you can even talk about someone else using fear-mongering or distorting facts. john kerry + draft
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Mogling
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 14:47 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | Yes, more taxes, regulations, increased beauracracy and socializing medicine are the answer!
Let's not forget to erode our sovereignty by agreeing for our military to be subject to the international criminal court and hamstring our economy by signing Kyoto. (The cleanest major industrial country in the world will have the strictest controls on emisions - thats us, and the dirtiest polluters like China will have the least - yay!) |
How are we the cleanest?
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 14:52 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Republicans support free trade, small government, and less spending, strong defense.
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If this was true, I would vote Republican. Unfortunately, the Republican idea of "small government" seems to include the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, and the biggest spending programs in the history of the U.S.
Frax, those were interesting numbers posted as to the share of the tax burden. It's nice to know that the top 5% of income earners pay 36% of the taxes in this nation, but it also is worth noting that the other 95% pay 64% of the taxes.
Perhaps you would advocate raising taxes for the lowest 20% of wage earners; they obviously aren't contributing "their fair share". They get so much, yet pay so little. That obviously isn't fair. Their standard of living must be so enormously greater than the top 5% of wage earners that the top 5% would be better off making what the lowest 20% make!
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:13 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Quote: | Republicans support free trade, small government, and less spending, strong defense.
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If this was true, I would vote Republican. Unfortunately, the Republican idea of "small government" seems to include the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, and the biggest spending programs in the history of the U.S.
Frax, those were interesting numbers posted as to the share of the tax burden. It's nice to know that the top 5% of income earners pay 36% of the taxes in this nation, but it also is worth noting that the other 95% pay 64% of the taxes.
Perhaps you would advocate raising taxes for the lowest 20% of wage earners; they obviously aren't contributing "their fair share". They get so much, yet pay so little. That obviously isn't fair. Their standard of living must be so enormously greater than the top 5% of wage earners that the top 5% would be better off making what the lowest 20% make! |
I could simply point out how wrong and stupid you are, but I'll simply say this.
Check your math.
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:17 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Neither does socialism in a practicle sense. Ever wonder why a majority of western Europe and Canada can have such "great" social programs? Because they don't have to pay for a defense, we do it for them. That's right, Americans are working their asses off, and funding our military, that in effect defends the rest of the world so they can spend their money on other things. If they had to pay for their own defense, I can guaran-f*****g-tee you that they wouldn't have nearly as many programs as they do now. They also tax the shit out of their populace, which I think is stupid. I work my ass off for my money and I should have to pay as little to no taxes as possible.
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For anyone doubting that Americans pay for the rest of the worlds defense...
Selected Countries Military Budget ($Billions)
United States 399.1
Russia* 65.0
China* 47.0
Japan 42.6
United Kingdom 38.4
France 29.5
Germany 24.9
Saudi Arabia 21.3
Italy 19.4
India 15.6
South Korea 14.1
Brazil* 10.7
Taiwan* 10.7
Israel 10.6
Spain 8.4
Australia 7.6
Canada 7.6
Netherlands 6.6
Turkey 5.8
Mexico 5.9
Kuwait* 3.9
Ukraine 5.0
Iran* 4.8
Singapore 4.8
Sweden 4.5
Egypt* 4.4
Norway 3.8
Greece 3.5
Poland 3.5
Argentina* 3.3
United Arab Emirates* 3.1
Colombia* 2.9
Belgium 2.7
Pakistan* 2.6
Denmark 2.4
Vietnam 2.4
North Korea* 2.1
Czech Republic 1.6
Iraq* 1.4
Philippines 1.4
Portugal 1.3
Libya* 1.2
Hungary 1.1
Syria 1.0
Cuba* 0.8
Sudan* 0.6
Yugoslavia 0.7
Luxembourg 0.2
I didn't run all the numbers, but I think it's safe to assume that the U.S. and it's citizens pay more for defense then every other country on that list combined. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 
Source: http://www.cdi.org/budget/2004/world-military-spending.cfm
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:06 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | Quote: | Neither does socialism in a practicle sense. Ever wonder why a majority of western Europe and Canada can have such "great" social programs? Because they don't have to pay for a defense, we do it for them. That's right, Americans are working their asses off, and funding our military, that in effect defends the rest of the world so they can spend their money on other things. If they had to pay for their own defense, I can guaran-f*****g-tee you that they wouldn't have nearly as many programs as they do now. They also tax the shit out of their populace, which I think is stupid. I work my ass off for my money and I should have to pay as little to no taxes as possible.
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For anyone doubting that Americans pay for the rest of the worlds defense...
Selected Countries Military Budget ($Billions)
United States 399.1
Russia* 65.0
China* 47.0
Japan 42.6
United Kingdom 38.4
France 29.5
Germany 24.9
Saudi Arabia 21.3
Italy 19.4
India 15.6
South Korea 14.1
Brazil* 10.7
Taiwan* 10.7
Israel 10.6
Spain 8.4
Australia 7.6
Canada 7.6
Netherlands 6.6
Turkey 5.8
Mexico 5.9
Kuwait* 3.9
Ukraine 5.0
Iran* 4.8
Singapore 4.8
Sweden 4.5
Egypt* 4.4
Norway 3.8
Greece 3.5
Poland 3.5
Argentina* 3.3
United Arab Emirates* 3.1
Colombia* 2.9
Belgium 2.7
Pakistan* 2.6
Denmark 2.4
Vietnam 2.4
North Korea* 2.1
Czech Republic 1.6
Iraq* 1.4
Philippines 1.4
Portugal 1.3
Libya* 1.2
Hungary 1.1
Syria 1.0
Cuba* 0.8
Sudan* 0.6
Yugoslavia 0.7
Luxembourg 0.2
I didn't run all the numbers, but I think it's safe to assume that the U.S. and it's citizens pay more for defense then every other country on that list combined. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Source: http://www.cdi.org/budget/2004/world-military-spending.cfm |
How does this prove that America is paying the world's defence. It proves that they spend the most money on wepons, but in no way does it prove that America is defending the world.
Since when does having the most guns, tanks and bombs make the world safer?
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Kurel
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Location: Cali
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:11 Post subject:
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Because who do you think is going to bail your ass out if someone tries to f**k with any NATO country? That's right.
Canada doesn't need a military, because their government *knows* that noone will f**k with them, because it's in the U.S's interest to keep you safe. The same with Western Europe, most of South America, and any other civilized nation.
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Scrabler
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Mobile, AL
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:21 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | Because who do you think is going to bail your ass out if someone tries to f**k with any NATO country? That's right.
Canada doesn't need a military, because their government *knows* that noone will f**k with them, because it's in the U.S's interest to keep you safe. The same with Western Europe, most of South America, and any other civilized nation. |
The threat of having the U.S.'s power directed at you hangs over almost every conflict in the world.
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Rennol
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Location: Charleston, IL
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:01 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Quote: | Republicans support free trade, small government, and less spending, strong defense.
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If this was true, I would vote Republican. Unfortunately, the Republican idea of "small government" seems to include the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, and the biggest spending programs in the history of the U.S.
Frax, those were interesting numbers posted as to the share of the tax burden. It's nice to know that the top 5% of income earners pay 36% of the taxes in this nation, but it also is worth noting that the other 95% pay 64% of the taxes.
Perhaps you would advocate raising taxes for the lowest 20% of wage earners; they obviously aren't contributing "their fair share". They get so much, yet pay so little. That obviously isn't fair. Their standard of living must be so enormously greater than the top 5% of wage earners that the top 5% would be better off making what the lowest 20% make! |
I could simply point out how wrong and stupid you are, but I'll simply say this.
Check your math. |
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Share of Federal Tax Burden
Lowest 20%
1.1%
-0.1%
Second 20%
5.2%
-0.2%
Middle 20%
10.5%
+0.2%
Fourth 20%
19.5%
+0.7%
Top 20%
63.5%
-0.6%
Top 5%
35.9%
-1.5%
Top 1%
20.1%
-1.8%
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The top 5% pay 35.9% of the tax burden. As I said. The top 1% pay 20.1% of the burden, but they are included in the top 5% by definition. The top 20% (Including the top 5%) pay 63.5%. That means the 15% below the top 5% pay 27.6%, and from the numbers posted, the next 20% gradations pay, respectively, 19.5%, 10.5%, 5.2%, 1.1%.
27.6 + 19.5 + 10.5 + 5.2 + 1.1 = 63.9%!
Please point out my error.
It's also worth noting that the top 5% of wage-earners own nearly 80% of all the assets in America!
http://www.endgame.org/primer-wealth.html (My number above may be a bit off, but not by much, the top 10% evidently account for 88% of most wealth in the nation)
Edit - the last paragraph in my original post is, as you may have guessed, sarcasm.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:18 Post subject:
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math looks good to me
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