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Vekril
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 Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:21 Post subject: Who really dies in our military - liberal lies again
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| Quote: | | It’s unfortunate that some poor kids who are looking to get an education by joining the military also get swept up in the bloodlust and pay the ultimate price for ideology that isn’t there own but I guess that’s the fine print when you sign up to be an arm of the state |
The above quote was from Banzai, and it is an often repeated claim by liberals, in their efforts to bash the military and call for a draft. I read a great op-ed by a former military man in the NY Times of all places last Thursday or Friday that debunked this entire myth.
The overwhelming majority of those who join the army just to get ahead, those poor minorities, the poor white folks too, they join SUPPORT units -places they can get skills that will transfer to real world jobs after their enlistment ends.
The people who actually die, the infantry, special forces, marines and so forth are much more white than the military as a whole, are more educated as a whole and overwhelmingly enlist from a desire to serve and be career military. Many also come from military families.
So the poor and minorities aren't being suckered or forced to die for our country, the bulk of those dying chose to be there, understanding full well what they were signing up for.
(if anyone can get a link or copy/past hte original article it would be great)
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:23 Post subject:
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:24 Post subject:
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Quiet. You aren't as good at this as Confused, and he does it poorly.
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Yabden
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:25 Post subject:
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If a soldier dies its their own fault. They are not drafted. They signed up knowing that they could die. That is the risk they take every day. All the liberals making a big deal out of soldiers getting killed need to realize thats what they signed up for. They where not pulled out of their house and sent to Iraq. These are professionals with the best training they can get, and sometimes they just get killed.
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:25 Post subject:
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oh i actually had somethin to say also.
you're dead wrong about placement.
Alot of people have little choice to begin with because of asvab scores, I even saw a guy get a score to low to be infantry.
You have people who go in for life, and people who want 4 years and some cash in every aspect of the military. It's that way by design.
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:27 Post subject:
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also, the ones who go in for college money...the military makes it quite clear that they think poorly of them, because they dont want to do their job, but they want all the rewards that come along with the job.
Any other organization, that person would be fired.
So for the poor college f***s......p**s off
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FealornTM
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:29 Post subject:
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Well, I can tell you that from my own personal experience, the demographic of Navy Special Warfare closely resembles an NHL team.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:29 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | also, the ones who go in for college money...the military makes it quite clear that they think poorly of them, because they dont want to do their job, but they want all the rewards that come along with the job.
Any other organization, that person would be fired.
So for the poor college f***s......p**s off |
what?
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:31 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Quiet. You aren't as good at this as Confused, and he does it poorly. |
Ow BURN
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:31 Post subject:
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I'm flattered you started a whole new thread to continue a conversation where you can be the star loud mouth. Go Vek!
I think it sucks that people who can't otherwise afford an education get it by enlisting then going to a b******t war and end up in a body bag and you think you are smart. Apparently we have a different range of opinions on both issues.
Comment on my opinion if you like. At the end of the day I'm allowed my opinion and no matter what you do or how many threads you wish to start nothing is going to change that. Good try though.
A good republican like you should enlist since you support the war and all. What do you say Vek? You still have student loans?
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
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cut n dry, 90% of the people who join the army for college money, that plan on doing their 4 years and hauling ass, usually do a s****y job, and take a i dont give a shit attitude towards things that are going to save peoples lifes one day. When you have a guy next to you dicking off when he's supposed to be learning how to save your life, right next to you in a fox hole.....you'll see the difference between those money grubbers, and real soldiers.
let the little faggits get pushed to the front line for all i care.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:36 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | cut n dry, 90% of the people who join the army for college money, that plan on doing their 4 years and hauling ass, usually do a s****y job, and take a i dont give a shit attitude towards things that are going to save peoples lifes one day. When you have a guy next to you dicking off when he's supposed to be learning how to save your life, right next to you in a fox hole.....you'll see the difference between those money grubbers, and real soldiers.
let the little faggits get pushed to the front line for all i care. |
im forced to wonder the motivations of the people who join it for reasons other than college money
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:37 Post subject:
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Kerry has the right idea, no matter what anyone says.
Two years of service for 4 years of college.
You help our military, our government helps you in life.
Win/win situation.
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:38 Post subject:
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patriotism is such a hard thing to grasp?
it's also a fun job....guess you'd have to have tried it.
any ex military will tell ya it was some of the best times of their life
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Confused
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:39 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell.
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khrath
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:41 Post subject:
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if liberalism was in any way a valid sollution, the country would have been one big hippie commune by now.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:44 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell. |
Helps you in life with SCHOOL f*g, not welfare.
You serve our country, you get handed the keys out of what might otherwise be a s****y life.
Its a hella great solution for college, and well were gonna need it the way tuition is increasing during the Bush administations term.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:46 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | if liberalism was in any way a valid sollution, the country would have been one big hippie commune by now. |
id have to say the rest of the western world has a much more liberal attitude than us
they = hippy commune
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Confused
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:46 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell. |
Helps you in life with SCHOOL f*g, not welfare.
You serve our country, you get handed the keys out of what might otherwise be a s****y life.
Its a hella great solution for college, and well were gonna need it the way tuition is increasing during the Bush administations term. |
Tuition has been increasing for decades because liberals are in charge of all the colleges. And you said "life"...not school. School does not equal life. It's an unfortunate intellectual misstep that most of us are forced to endure.
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | The people who actually die, the infantry, special forces, marines and so forth are much more white than the military as a whole, are more educated as a whole and overwhelmingly enlist from a desire to serve and be career military. Many also come from military families. |
A lot of the troops in Iraq getting killed are not in combat arms.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:48 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Tuition has been increasing for decades because liberals are in charge of all the colleges. |
woah there tiger
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:52 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell. |
Helps you in life with SCHOOL f*g, not welfare.
You serve our country, you get handed the keys out of what might otherwise be a s****y life.
Its a hella great solution for college, and well were gonna need it the way tuition is increasing during the Bush administations term. |
Tuition has been increasing for decades because liberals are in charge of all the colleges. And you said "life"...not school. School does not equal life. It's an unfortunate intellectual misstep that most of us are forced to endure. |
lol, my English professor is a hardcore liberal from Berkely and he occasionally meanders into politics, at which point I turn my brain off. Otherwise, the man is absolutely brilliant.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:53 Post subject:
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Realpoor.com - the faggiest political discussions on the face of the planet.
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 13:55 Post subject:
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Confused, you seem to think that the government should not help its citizens.
Let me direct you to the following passage from a notable document in history:
| Quote: | | We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men |
As you can see, the creation of government is in order to facilitate the well-being of its citizens, i.e., helping them in life.
So, once again, you come off sounding like an idiot when you spout your ideological statements which are supposed to make "liberals" sound like some pack of crazed welfare-mongers, when in reality the spirit of what you define as "liberalism" is what this nation was founded upon.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:00 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell. |
Helps you in life with SCHOOL f*g, not welfare.
You serve our country, you get handed the keys out of what might otherwise be a s****y life.
Its a hella great solution for college, and well were gonna need it the way tuition is increasing during the Bush administations term. |
Tuition has been increasing for decades because liberals are in charge of all the colleges. And you said "life"...not school. School does not equal life. It's an unfortunate intellectual misstep that most of us are forced to endure. |
Yeah asswad, LIFE.
School is the best realistic means a young adult who has nothing can rise above their status and move up in society.
Its not surefire but at least they have a shot.
And without it, unless they become a drug Czar or win the lottery or some shit, they will most likely never reach upper middle class or beyond.
Get a degree...make bank
Got no degree? either punch a clock, get lucky or you gotta know someone.
Thats life.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:02 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | Confused, you seem to think that the government should not help its citizens.
Let me direct you to the following passage from a notable document in history:
| Quote: | | We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men |
As you can see, the creation of government is in order to facilitate the well-being of its citizens, i.e., helping them in life.
So, once again, you come off sounding like an idiot when you spout your ideological statements which are supposed to make "liberals" sound like some pack of crazed welfare-mongers, when in reality the spirit of what you define as "liberalism" is what this nation was founded upon. |
Nice Rennol, very well said.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:10 Post subject:
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Confused
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | Confused, you seem to think that the government should not help its citizens.
Let me direct you to the following passage from a notable document in history:
| Quote: | | We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men |
As you can see, the creation of government is in order to facilitate the well-being of its citizens, i.e., helping them in life.
So, once again, you come off sounding like an idiot when you spout your ideological statements which are supposed to make "liberals" sound like some pack of crazed welfare-mongers, when in reality the spirit of what you define as "liberalism" is what this nation was founded upon. |
Liberals have corrupted the goals of our founding fathers. Obviously your underlined statement refers to the protection of our rights...which is completely contrary to the liberal ideal. I saw I, Robot the other day and thought to myself...Wow, Vicki is a leftist!
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Confused
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:18 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | our government helps you in life.
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Liberalism in a nutshell. |
Helps you in life with SCHOOL f*g, not welfare.
You serve our country, you get handed the keys out of what might otherwise be a s****y life.
Its a hella great solution for college, and well were gonna need it the way tuition is increasing during the Bush administations term. |
Tuition has been increasing for decades because liberals are in charge of all the colleges. And you said "life"...not school. School does not equal life. It's an unfortunate intellectual misstep that most of us are forced to endure. |
Yeah asswad, LIFE.
School is the best realistic means a young adult who has nothing can rise above their status and move up in society.
Its not surefire but at least they have a shot.
And without it, unless they become a drug Czar or win the lottery or some shit, they will most likely never reach upper middle class or beyond.
Get a degree...make bank
Got no degree? either punch a clock, get lucky or you gotta know someone.
Thats life. |
You're so naive. People with degrees excel because it takes drive to get a degree, not because a degree actually helps. It helps if you want to be a drone in the corporate ladder, though.
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Posted: 07/25/04 - 14:35 Post subject:
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I have a degree *AND* I punch a clock!
WUWUU ME
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