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Shanda
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 Posted: 09/30/03 - 10:39 Post subject: What the hell happened to clerics?!
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Honestly, I've only grouped with one good cleric in recent weeks. The rest have all sucked so bad that I wanted to scream.
Cleric #1: CHd everyone, including me (enchanter) - thank god(dess) that my hubby is a dr00d and knows to heal the enchanter. Oh, and by the way, CHing when a warrior with 5K hp is at 65% health is totally ridiculous! I don't care if you do have KEI, wasted mana = wasted exp.
Cheric #1: Didn't heal unless had to - she didn't want to get aggro. Meanwhile, the tank is dead and since I had slowed, I quickly followed. Needless to say she died too because, well, everyone else was dead =P
Cleric #3: Used remedy to heal me (yay!) instead of CH... unfortunately, he also used remedy almost exclusively to heal the tank so he was constantly LOM even with KEI.
This is like a recurring theme, just broke it up into 1, 2 and 3 for ease of writing.
HEY CLERICS! Did you know you have different heal spells and they serve different purposes?
Sheesh, and while I'm on a rant, tanks that don't use taunt are ranked up there with clerics that CH the enchanter.
Me: Please taunt before breaking, blur doesn't always work.
Tank: Okay, but my taunt is only 65.
Me: L52 enchanter LFG
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Isriam
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Joined: 15 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 11:03 Post subject:
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Uh, CH is the best money saver on any class if you can time it. However being level 52 I'm sure things are different 
I know I CH my enchanter! (motley with 6khp) 
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Ramalen
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 11:34 Post subject:
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easy solution - dont group with s****y clerics
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ashwynd
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Joined: 26 Aug 2003
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:08 Post subject:
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Just have your husband (druid) as your healer and you're set. Make sure you group a bard so his mana can keep up  My favorite groups are when we group a cleric and a druid (me) so we ping pong the mobs back and forth while the melee beat on them and split up the heals to preserve mana. We end up being able to clear around 10ish mobs a pull (thanks to yakita or slott training us!) depending on how well equipped the cleric is hehe.
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Malodious
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:12 Post subject:
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Bah who needs a cleric! Druid all the way!
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Luturb
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:27 Post subject:
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Keep in mind that she's level 52. Druids suck at healing until level 58. Of course LDoN doesn't take a lot of healing, but I don't know how it is in the low 50s. I did a couple missions with my 58 cleric last night and 90% of my time I spent meleeing and nuking. Had two paladins and a shaman in the group and I wouldn't have had to heal at all if I didn't want to. As it was I tossed the tank a CH every 3 or 4 fights or when he pulled 4. Actually had to ask the paladins to stop wasting their mana spot-healing all the time so someone could get low enough for me to CH.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:33 Post subject:
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Thank goddess, you should have called the terrible powers of Kali down on them.
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ashwynd
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Joined: 26 Aug 2003
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:41 Post subject:
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oops didn't notice the level difference, nevermind use a cleric Just test different ones out and make a list of the ones who suck 
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atarom
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 12:50 Post subject:
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lol noobies
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motherface
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 13:26 Post subject:
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I had a cleric in BoT who, when the tank was at 20%, announces "Elixir to %T" and it was up to the shaman to actually heal the tank. Not like it was a bad hotkey or something, because this happened like 6 times. Then Anuubis trained us and we ran away.
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Brash
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 13:51 Post subject:
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don't know how anyone even plays a cleric . not much fun and its so easy
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Occulis
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 14:24 Post subject:
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Being a good cleric with decent (not even planar) equipment is a lot of fun. Being a s****y CH bot, because you have no creativity or sense of exploration with your games/classes, sucks.
I like playing cleric as main. It's not my style, but I like it.
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EEndi
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 14:45 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | don't know how anyone even plays a cleric . not much fun and its so easy |
Cleric do have it easy at times, but it's only the ones who pay attention that have an easy time. If you have a good cleric, and they pay attention, they will do very little work in a good group. They watch the tank(at level 65 I heal a good tank at 55%) and toss a quick heal to who needs it...when they need it. If it's a group that is going to be taking a lot of random hits, I would recommend a secondary healer(Druid, shaman). While the cleric will be healing who ever is lowest, the secondar healer can toss a quick heal to the next person. Group heals suck mana, and it's not always a smart idea to use it if only 2-3 people need a heal.
But a cleric still needs to know a lot, and will make TONS of mistakes along the way. We need to learn to control our aggro, take a few dozen hits when we can't(and not panic), know the average HP of just about EVERY calss(To know when to heal), pay attention to the damage the mob is giving(To know who can take more hits), and judge mana usage. Groups will not pull unless they know the cleric has enough mana to cover them(I usually get a little nervous at 25-30%). We need to know how many heals, and what type, we can cast with ??% of mana..and to whom it will best benfit if we are low on mana. A very good cleric once said to me "Somtimes a REZ requires less mana to cast than a heal". Which means if it gets bad, the cleric needs to decide very quickly who lives and dies. If I have 3 targets, 20% mana, and nobody has done anything... I'm going to let the tank get as low as possiable, I'll toss a quick heal to the enchanter/bard(mez) then maybe the seconday healer(maybe they can help heal if alive) and then the tank(if I'm havn't grabbed aggro). I'm sorry but the Mage, wizard, necro, rogue, monk, SK, pally and BL(the last 6 have means of saving themself) will need to fend for them self. But by saving the others we have a better chance of the larger part of the group surviving a bad pull or event. Then we can rez the fallen. You will truly appreciate a good cleric who has learned all this when you tackle that level 55+ targets and you survive.....
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Derringer
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 14:54 Post subject:
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Lots of people say clerics are boring or easy to play, and I just boggle at the thought.
First off, there isn't all that many classes that *don't* do the same thing on raids that they do every day 90% of the time. Its that 10% of the time that the good ones are seperated fromt he bad, and the class (or any other class) gains its 'flavor'.
Long ago I played a cleric as a bot on my second machine because we didn't have enough.. I also botted one 2-boxed when I exped. I enjoy the class and always felt like I could not play it to its fullest in this regard, and was always awed from that point forward just how much a good cleric could contribute to a raid or an exp group.
I would, without hesitation, pick the Cleric class as my next class to play if I were somehow unable to play my Paladin. I enjoy their ability to effect the outcome of most situations, and the differences between playing one well and playing one poorly. In raids where we aren't tanking, Paladins play very similarly to Clerics, after all, with obvious slight differences.. that is probably why I like the class so much. Your mileage may vary, and your mix of Raiding to Exp grouping might influence your thinking on the topic as well.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 15:01 Post subject:
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My 56 cleric is mega own, he's not the most twinked in the world, but it's because I know wtf to do. If it is not in a dungeon I just use my Drogmor obviously, and constantly click my Velios legs (group 105 HP Heal, people think they're so worthless but it helps a shitload). If the chanter takes a couple hits and gets down to 70% or so, rather than wasting mana on a heal I click my legs like 4 times or so and the chanter is up to 90% or so, now if the chanter is still getting beat on I obviously heal them. CH, Divine Light, and even that Crappy Heal over Time that's outdated comes in handy in groups. Just using CH or just using that 1.5k HP heal makes Baby Jesus Cry.
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Luturb
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 15:47 Post subject:
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Playing a cleric in a group that is pulling tough mobs pretty quickly can be interesting. Playing one during a train on a raid or on a boss mob with AEs that has killed the tank and is rampaging around slaughtering people until you can get another tank in front of him is downright thrilling. I have only done a couple CH chains but I find it hard to concentrate on watching chat and counting and pushing the CH button over and over when I really want to be watching what is going on with the fight.
A few nights back I was 2-boxing warrior/cleric in LDoN and the warrior got summoned into the wall and warped to the zone-in. Made it pretty exciting keeping everybody alive with the boss jumping around between the enchanter, shaman, and the rogues. Actually lost the enchanter while I was trying to figure out where in the hell my warrior was and how he got there, and one of the rogs died while I was healing the shaman, but we won.
Playing a cleric in a single-pulling exp group is extrememly boring, but the summoned hammer o' death and Yaulp make it a lot more fun. I can't imagine that anyone would enjoy playing a cleric that only sits around and casts CH once a fight, but I guess it's good for cyber purposes.
Like any other class, there are people that are outstanding, and people who suck. It's the subtle things that make a difference, since pretty much any class can be taken down to mashing 3 or 4 buttons at different rates.
I wouldn't claim to be a great cleric btw, mine has mostly been a bot, although I go get him a group without the warrior once in a while just cause it's a nice change of pace, but my clerical skills are adequate at best.
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atarom
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 17:39 Post subject:
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playing a good cleric is uber fun.
Tseven was a blast man.
uber gears, super ft, never need to sit sorta cleric. he was awesome lol. nuke, melee, kickass.
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khalysta
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 18:22 Post subject:
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All those examples are why I love to use my cleric bot even if people don't like me playing her. No stupid heals, no afks to mcdonalds for 45 mins, no casting wor when 6 in camp and then getting owned by all 6. Just nice steady heals for the group as we crawl along.
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Haphasto
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 18:37 Post subject:
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because all of the clerics are quitting EQ and ebaying 
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Ramalen
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 20:30 Post subject:
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you've never truly had fun as a cleric until you tank =)
in all seriousness tho, if i'm XPing somewhere and the tank goes LD or dies, i sit down, attempt to load a few stuns, and tank away. VERY fun =)
its also fun to just randomly load up the top 4 stuns and p**s off your warrior/pally/SK by stealing (and keeping mostly) agro heh
works best with a secondary healer tho
i remember one day i was REALLY bored with this mage friend of mine (aenelr, who sadly stopped playing =() so we went to PoN and duoed a bit.. he summoned his pet, and i'd pull 3 or 4 mobs, i'd tank one, his pet would tank one, and he'd kite the rest until we got done killing the tanked ones extreme fun it was! granted, PoN isnt the most challenging place in the world, but for us it was good enuf.
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Occulis
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 20:59 Post subject:
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I'm having trouble visualizing a cleric tanking anything that hits over 200 without a slower or a healer. What am I missing? Or were you pulling the PoN mobs that hit for 400+? :p
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Ramalen
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 21:37 Post subject:
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well i've tanked jords in BoT when pally went LD with druid and chanter in group =)
in PoN we were camping the yard trash, ravens and spiders and junk.. like i said, not the most challenging mobs in norath, but fun!
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Occulis
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Posted: 09/30/03 - 22:46 Post subject:
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That's pretty impressive. I mean even the yard trash hits fast and strong enough to require at least a *little* healing, yes?
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Brash
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 00:46 Post subject:
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guess i only bot my cleric and is so f*****g easy it nuts . every now and then hit hot key and CH or nuke , depending ....
Guess really all class's are cake to play . SK , cleric and chanter on the Same PC keeps me entertained though . although i like to take a break and only play one or two i dont know how people play only one at a time full time. This game is so f*****g repetitive and easy when playing only one. Mind numbingly dull ....... think cleric has to the worst though
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motherface
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 09:37 Post subject:
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All this talk of "when the chanter gets down to 70%..." Must be some bad tanks or a resisted mez, I never see chanters get hit in exp groups. Shammies only usually get hit when they get brave and torpor/Q-tank an add.
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Minion
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 09:43 Post subject:
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I've written macros that play better than most clerics.
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Brael
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 09:47 Post subject:
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Brash, the secret to playing one is looking at webpages or watching tv/movies, or occasionally playing another game at the same time
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 09:49 Post subject:
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| Fattguyy_Inlilcoatt wrote: | | Thats why I only group with people in my guild <3 Pak clerics! |
Ditto. There's really nothing like Alchork in full battle-tank mode WHILE keeping the entire group alive. I swear he has DPS greater than most of our... paladins.
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Ramalen
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Posted: 10/01/03 - 10:57 Post subject:
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mog thats the funniest shit i've seen in a long time =)
we need more sinzans. /shudder
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