|
|
| Author |
Message |
Gethy
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 5595
Location: Tallahassee, FL
|
 Posted: 11/10/05 - 16:22 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Soriak wrote: | Was only a matter of time - if it hadn't been two kids getting electrocuted, it'd have been something else.
France has a large population of muslims, most of them are poor and have no hope. What are they doing to handle it? Prohibit them from wearing headscarves in public schools and not start any programs for minorities, much less make a real effort to integrate them. |
Besides the fact that you're a mindnumbing idiot, there's one single fact you must get, that you haven't, that you continue to neglect; I'll take you through this all, point by point:
You look like a woman.
Let's dissect this.
"You" is easy enough to get. "Look like" might get confusing for one of your mental capacity, but it's essentially what the mirror tells you, other than, 'down the road, not across the street.' Lastly, "Woman," might be a hard one to get, since you have so much **** obscurity; Freud would have a scientific field day while I have a very fun one, you f*****g d*****t Nancy.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
 |
Soriak
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 952
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 16:59 Post subject:
|
|
|
So, what you're saying is that you have no clue about the topic at hand and merely repeat one of Kbarr's "insults?"
At least come up with something original...
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
shinja mayoke
Luke Warm
Joined: 04 Jan 2003
Posts: 434
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 17:03 Post subject:
|
|
|
The real question here is how long it will take France to surrender to the rioters.
Mob mentality is what is going on, people are upset and they commiserate with other people who are upset, their reasons do not have to be remotely related, and they get caught up in the 'lets do something stoopid' wave.
Mob mentality is also why the US is a democratic -republic- and not a democracy. Democracy is mob rule, a republic is the rule of law...something I wish more people understood...its like sand in the vagina to hear people in America call us a democracy.
The French of course I am sure are on the verge of using their secret weapon, the Deadly Armpit Limit Break, to quell the rioters.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Aviger
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 1509
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 17:27 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Soriak wrote: |
At least come up with something original... |
yeah, like blaming any problem after 9/11 on muslim's.
How original 
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Pankrat
Can't Stop Posting
Joined: 12 Oct 2002
Posts: 603
Location: Land of Paranoia
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 17:55 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Aviger wrote: | | Soriak wrote: |
At least come up with something original... |
yeah, like blaming any problem after 9/11 on muslim's.
How original |
So the people rioting aren't to blame for the riots? The people blowing up innocents indiscriminately (including muslims blowing up other muslims just to get on the news and maybe kill one or 2 westerners) all over the world aren't muslim?
Seems like the "muslims" don't need help from anyone to take the blame. Of course, I suppose your answer is "it's not their fault" they are victims of Western cultural oppression or something like that?
Perhaps more diversity and sensitivity classes will stop the worldwide jihad...
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Soriak
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 952
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 18:29 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Aviger wrote: | | Soriak wrote: |
At least come up with something original... |
yeah, like blaming any problem after 9/11 on muslim's.
How original |
I never said it was all the fault of muslims or immigrants. But like Pankrat said, a certain level of blame has to fall on those actually doing the rioting.
The government is to blame as well though - they don't even seem to try to integrate them. If you have a hostile policy towards a large part of the population, you can't be surprised when they start rioting.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
motherface
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 12 Mar 2003
Posts: 3407
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 18:37 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Soriak wrote: | | a certain level of blame has to fall on those actually doing the rioting. |
Yeah, like 100%.
| Quote: | | The government is to blame as well though - they don't even seem to try to integrate them. If you have a hostile policy towards a large part of the population, you can't be surprised when they start rioting. |
How do you integrate people who choose to segregate themselves?
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Zonk
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 976
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 18:56 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
/clap motherface
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Luturb
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 4042
Location: Livermore, California
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 19:01 Post subject:
|
|
|
| motherface wrote: | | How do you integrate people who choose to segregate themselves? |
It's not all on the immigrants. France is not a "melting pot". Ethnic French people are very proud of their culture and a lot of them aren't thrilled about 9 million brown people showing up with a totally different culture. I don't disagree that Muslims in Europe have not integrated very well, but in France it's kind of mutual thing I believe.
Interesting quote from Economist magazine today:
| Quote: | | “IN THE deprived suburbs, a kind of soft terror rules. When too many young people see nothing ahead but unemployment after they leave school, they end up rebelling. For a time the state can struggle to impose order, and rely on welfare benefits to avoid worse. But how long can this last?” |
Written by none other than Jacques Chirac in ...get this... 1995.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Soriak
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 952
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 19:40 Post subject:
|
|
|
| motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | a certain level of blame has to fall on those actually doing the rioting. |
Yeah, like 100%.
| Quote: | | The government is to blame as well though - they don't even seem to try to integrate them. If you have a hostile policy towards a large part of the population, you can't be surprised when they start rioting. |
How do you integrate people who choose to segregate themselves? |
For once by not banning their religious traditions in public schools.
| Quote: | | I don't disagree that Muslims in Europe have not integrated very well, but in France it's kind of mutual thing I believe. |
/agree
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Aviger
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 1509
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 19:57 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Pankrat wrote: | | Aviger wrote: | | Soriak wrote: |
At least come up with something original... |
yeah, like blaming any problem after 9/11 on muslim's.
How original |
So the people rioting aren't to blame for the riots? The people blowing up innocents indiscriminately (including muslims blowing up other muslims just to get on the news and maybe kill one or 2 westerners) all over the world aren't muslim?
Seems like the "muslims" don't need help from anyone to take the blame. Of course, I suppose your answer is "it's not their fault" they are victims of Western cultural oppression or something like that?
Perhaps more diversity and sensitivity classes will stop the worldwide jihad... |
Good job missing the point you two.
What i was trying to say is it's not "muslims" who are rioting, it's YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR (And some older people) <--- the key.
The riots weren't started from a religious point of view at all, they started because the people rioting felt like the goverment was ignoring their problems.
It's ignorant and typically american to blame anything that could possible go wrong instantly on "muslims".
Yes most of the terrorism going on atm is muslim in origin, you get no argument from me. But this problem is a "poor people" problem. Not a religous people problem
And that's where your ignorance comes in , you see riots and oh it must be muslism..
f*****g idiots
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Zonk
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 976
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 20:07 Post subject:
|
|
|
i dont really know what the problem is but im pretty sure The Muslims have something to do with it and France is f*****g up.
but im not at all just playing the guessing game i Mean France didnt say anything at all negative about us and our policies ever. 
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Luturb
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 4042
Location: Livermore, California
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 20:20 Post subject:
|
|
|
All you have to do is read any news outlet (and not just American ones) to find out that the rioting is primarily being done by Arab and African immigrants, most of which are Muslim. If you pay any attention to the news at all you have read about disgruntled muslim immigrant populations all over Europe, especially in France and the Netherlands, and you know from the school issues that tensions between Muslim immigrants and the French government have been getting stronger in the last few years.
Now it's true that the riots have a lot to do with unemployment and poverty, but if you think religion and culture are not major factors in this, then you are the idiot.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Soriak
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 952
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 20:22 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Aviger wrote: | | Pankrat wrote: | | Aviger wrote: | | Soriak wrote: |
At least come up with something original... |
yeah, like blaming any problem after 9/11 on muslim's.
How original |
So the people rioting aren't to blame for the riots? The people blowing up innocents indiscriminately (including muslims blowing up other muslims just to get on the news and maybe kill one or 2 westerners) all over the world aren't muslim?
Seems like the "muslims" don't need help from anyone to take the blame. Of course, I suppose your answer is "it's not their fault" they are victims of Western cultural oppression or something like that?
Perhaps more diversity and sensitivity classes will stop the worldwide jihad... |
Good job missing the point you two.
What i was trying to say is it's not "muslims" who are rioting, it's YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR (And some older people) <--- the key.
The riots weren't started from a religious point of view at all, they started because the people rioting felt like the goverment was ignoring their problems.
It's ignorant and typically american to blame anything that could possible go wrong instantly on "muslims".
Yes most of the terrorism going on atm is muslim in origin, you get no argument from me. But this problem is a "poor people" problem. Not a religous people problem
And that's where your ignorance comes in , you see riots and oh it must be muslism..
f*****g idiots |
So you're blaming me for generalizing people and two paragraphs later you say it's "typically american to blame anything that could possibly go wrong instantly on muslims" - way to go...
If it makes a difference to you: I'm not American.
But surely you must be right - this has nothing to do with immigration and religious issues:
| Quote: |
Two incidents triggered the rioting. On October 27th, two teenagers—one of North African origin, the other of Malian—apparently believing themselves pursued by the police, were electrocuted in an electricity substation in the suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. A few days later, as trouble spread, a riot-police tear-gas grenade ended up—under unexplained circumstances—inside a prayer hall in Clichy. With no official explanation for either episode, rumour and indignation spread in equal measure.
This rapid domino effect reflects two broader failings and two policy problems. First, the mass unemployment that persists in a welfare system supposedly glued together by “social solidarity”. Second, the ethnic ghettos that have formed in a country that prides itself on colour-blind equality. These problems have been worsened in recent years by a deliberate hardline policing policy, and by disputes over how best to accommodate Islam in France. |
| Quote: |
France has never been shy to articulate what the country stands for and what it expects of its citizens. The ban in 2004 on the Muslim headscarf in state schools, not to mention the frequent expulsion of radical imams, make its philosophy crystal clear.
[...]
France has no monopoly on isolated ghettos with high unemployment. But this trouble has been long brewing. Even before the riots, car-burning had become a ritual gesture of criminal defiance in the suburbs. In the first seven months of this year, an astonishing 21,900 vehicles were torched across the country, up on the previous year. Two further factors seem to turn general malaise into chronic violence: a zero-tolerance policing policy, and the stigmatisation of Islam. |
But you're right - it has nothing to do with religion...
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Zapper
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 1512
Location: Connecticut
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 20:48 Post subject:
|
|
|
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/november/ogrish-dot-com-french_riots.wmv
not gory just interesting how what those poor oppressed youths shoult "Allah Akbar" not "give us jobs" or "stop oppressing us" or "we shall overcome"
Immigrants in the states don't riot because they are too busy working. That's why it's the black people that riot here in the US they are too lazy to work and are only waiting for the next govt handout.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Ishmael
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Posts: 4446
Location: The US of A
|
|
Posted: 11/10/05 - 21:53 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
k guys I've come up with a solution...let's nuke france now pls.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
kbarr
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 11239
Location: New York, now go fuck off...
|
|
Posted: 11/11/05 - 03:10 Post subject:
|
|
|
| Soriak wrote: | Was only a matter of time - if it hadn't been two kids getting electrocuted, it'd have been something else.
France has a large population of muslims, most of them are poor and have no hope. What are they doing to handle it? Prohibit them from wearing headscarves in public schools and not start any programs for minorities, much less make a real effort to integrate them. |
Socialist idiot.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
Alerik
Sir Postalot
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
Posts: 1375
|
|
Posted: 11/11/05 - 04:13 Post subject:
|
|
|
|
Rofl, that guy looks like a f*g.
|
|
|
Back to top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
