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Starks
Toomuchtimeonhands
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 Posted: 11/07/04 - 14:45 Post subject: What is a liberal and what is a conservative?
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Both sides are good. The strong values that liberals push are just not the same as what the conservatives push, and vice versa. I want to here both sides on what they are FOR, no b******t "Bush won, the south owns, bring back the Confederacy crap" or "f*****g conservatives hate all gay people and want to commit genocide." Just list your most important issues, think of this as a whole, not what you think needs to be worked on.
My list:
1. Preserve personal liberties.
2. Maintain an atmosphere of opportunity.
3. Allow parents to parent. Education starts at infancy.
4. Capitalism needs growth in order to survive. By nature of that it grows in the direction of least resistance. This means GLOBALISATION. If we are to continue to persue as pure of a capitalism, we are going to have to reform markets around the world. Or change how we pursue capitalism. If you don't want jobs to leave our shores, we have to either a: educate better in order to create more sophisticated careers or b: modify capitalist beliefs.
I better stop now before I type a whole new dissertation. But you should get my drift.
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kbarr
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 11239
Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 14:49 Post subject:
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BUSH!
AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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xammer99
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 336
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 15:20 Post subject:
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In no particular order:
- Increased funding for space exploration and development.
- Security for America.
- Continuance of the Pax Americana.
- Continuing to pursue the Open Door Policy on the global level.
- Continue the rapid pace of American technological innovation by placing fewer restraints on American corporations. This is even more important considering the coming resource wars.
- A friendlier tax system to encourage both personal consumption/investment and corporate investment.
- A non Socialist America.
- No more Politically Correct Thought Police, been the victim of this one a few times to many.
- Revamp affirmative action in the education system to not be race based but economically based. A good idea to help those in need without blanket accusing all members of a given minorities as ‘losers’ by default.
- “prepare the battlefield” for the coming resource wars of the future when competition for energy sources grows so great that military conflict becomes inevitable. Namely securing advantageous position on or near the major energy reserves in the world in case such actions become necessary.
- Reform social security into something that can withstand the baby boomers retirement.
- An end to judicial activism. Re-writing laws by judicial fiat has to go. Declare them unconstitutional if you want, but legislatures write laws, not judiciaries.
- No Draft. Conscript armies are notoriously poor compared to all volunteer armies, just look at the Chinese and former Soviet military machines. Only the officer corps was professionalized and below that unit discipline was HORRID. Such continues today in the current Russian military.
- No universal healthcare provided by the government. In the end, a universal healthcare system would push taxes WAY up to support for everyone. So in the end you’d still be paying for your healthcare, just with a government system you’d be forced to pay for it. Further, as Canada and every other western nation with such care, it would be horribly inefficient and those who are economically capable would still opt to go to private healthcare but still FORCED to pay for their government care which they don’t use.
- Massive tort reform via substantial caps on law suit awards. The shit the ABA is pulling these past few decades is just flat out disgraceful.
Things I really don’t give a rats ass about:
- Roe v. Wade. Keep it, turn it over to the states to decide, I really don’t care.
- ERA. I’m not sure why this even needs to be stated considering the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but *shrug*.
All these things that I care about make me pretty staunchly conservative, and my ambivilance on the other 2 definately keep me away from the liberal circles. However, I am a secular conservative because politics makes for strange bedfellows, which means I'm by default allied with very religious conservatives as well, many of whom I very much do not agree with.
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Buckshot
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 449
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 15:34 Post subject: Re: What is a liberal and what is a conservative?
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| Starks wrote: | Both sides are good. The strong values that liberals push are just not the same as what the conservatives push, and vice versa. I want to here both sides on what they are FOR, no b******t "Bush won, the south owns, bring back the Confederacy crap" or "f*****g conservatives hate all gay people and want to commit genocide." Just list your most important issues, think of this as a whole, not what you think needs to be worked on.
My list:
1. Preserve personal liberties.
2. Maintain an atmosphere of opportunity.
3. Allow parents to parent. Education starts at infancy.
4. Capitalism needs growth in order to survive. By nature of that it grows in the direction of least resistance. This means GLOBALISATION. If we are to continue to persue as pure of a capitalism, we are going to have to reform markets around the world. Or change how we pursue capitalism. If you don't want jobs to leave our shores, we have to either a: educate better in order to create more sophisticated careers or b: modify capitalist beliefs.
I better stop now before I type a whole new dissertation. But you should get my drift. |
honestly, you will not get a clear answer to your query on realpoor. you will get opinion and scewed facts. from everyone.
do your own personal searches, and view the 'platform' of the various ideological groups ( they call themselves parties) you may be suprised to find out how similar so many can be while being miles apart. Next, research the actual things done by these groups when given the power or 'vote', talk is cheap, actions will speak best. finally, decide who best forwards the beliefs you have and weigh how or if they are able to best represent you.
honestly, choosing an politcal group is not something you truely do based on words or opinions from anyone on earth. you have to shun all of the outside influences and seek your answer alone.
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Confused
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 15:35 Post subject: Re: What is a liberal and what is a conservative?
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| Buckshot wrote: | | I DO CACA IN MY PANTS |
OMG!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT!!!
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Buckshot
Luke Warm
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 15:38 Post subject: Re: What is a liberal and what is a conservative?
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| Confused wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | I DO CACA IN MY PANTS |
OMG!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT!!! |
OMG!!! I CAN'T EITHER!!!
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kbarr
RealPoor Jedi
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
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Bush!
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Buckshot
Luke Warm
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 21:26 Post subject:
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Sucks!
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Confused
RealPoor Master of Posts
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 21:33 Post subject:
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Your sister's tits right after she throws her panties at him!
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 22:46 Post subject:
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Hmm.
1. Control of government empasized more at a local level versus a national level. Local and state governments are better equipped to address its citizens' concerns versus a national program. Reduce government spending and size.
2. Reduce/eliminate loans to countries that have not helped or supported US interest. Reduce pork spending. Each Congress must have a balanced budget except in case of national crisis or war.
3. Continue current military spending. Additional spending in missile defense and space. Tighter restrictions of technology transfer to other countries. Reduce taxes on segments of technology or depressed regions of the country to encourage growth.
3. More education emphasizing science and math. Increase the school year to a full year. Encourage greater interaction of business in school ciriculum so that what is being taught matches business needs. Push more for digital textbooks to reduce costs and shorten time needed to keep info up-to-date. Require charity work and internships in high school to expose teenagers to working environment and segments of society not previously exposed to.
4. Environmental policies that protect while utilize the environment instead of turning it into a museum. Continously improve technology to minimize environmental impact.
5. Emphasize accountability for all social programs, including grants, for both adminstrators and receivers of the programs. A social program does not have to be developed for every problem. Encourage more charity and church assistance so that communities are more involved.
6. Tighter control on immigration and visa programs. Streamline citizenship programs and require English to be spoken and written. Provide English literacy programs. Provide work permits.
7. End military interaction with police including the wearing of combat boots, ski masks, fatigues, etc. Only allow this type of training for special, seperate units such as SWAT or terrorism response units. Force the creation of an elected citizen oversight committee for police at a local level.
8. Change existing laws and regulations that are more universal instead of catering to select racial/**** groups. Eliminate affirmative action and require school/job applications to only list SS#, income, and experience versus race, ****, or name. Make every state a "right to work" state.
9. Stop the silly witch hunts of removing anything religious from everything. We have a lot more important things to fix. There is no such thing as "seperation of church and state". There is only the rule that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (ie a national religion) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
10. Tort reform. Social security reform. Constitutional ammendment to end judicial activism. Require showing an ID for voting to prove identity and citzenship. Require a standardized voting ballot with paper trail for national elections.
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