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Frax
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Such a rough sentence, 12 years!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/20/killer.release.reut/index.html
| Quote: | Canadian female **** killer to leave prison
Monday, June 20, 2005; Posted: 8:49 a.m. EDT (12:49 GMT)
JOLIETTE, Quebec (Reuters) -- Karla Homolka was a pretty, bright young woman who helped drug, rape, torture and kill schoolgirls and even presented her own teen-age sister to her boyfriend as a gift.
Homolka, 35, has fascinated and horrified Canadians since committing her crimes more than a decade ago. Canada's most notorious female convict, she is due to be released from prison within weeks, and the country's anxiety and anger is again on the rise.
Homolka videotaped the murders with her psychopathic husband and will leave a prison in Joliette, Quebec, in early July after serving a 12-year sentence for manslaughter for her part in the death of three girls and the rape of another.
Homolka and her then-husband Paul Bernardo kidnapped, **** assaulted, tortured and killed two teen-age girls in the early 1990s in southern Ontario.
She also drugged her 15-year-old sister so Bernardo could rape her in the basement of her family home after a Christmas dinner. The girl choked on her own vomit and died.
Homolka agreed to the plea-bargain sentence for manslaughter in return for testifying against Bernardo. He is serving a life sentence for murder and will likely never be released.
Public anger over her deal with prosecutors, which came amid allegations of police bungling and just before the now infamous videotapes of their crimes were recovered by police, means Homolka will know little peace when she gets out.
There have been death threats and bets on how long she'll live. One now-defunct Web site invited visitors to predict when she would die, proclaiming that "when the game is over, we all win."
The Ontario government is going to extraordinary lengths to keep track of her movements after she gets out of prison, and there is even a Hollywood movie, "Deadly," due to be released this year, despite the efforts of the victims' families to have it banned in Ontario.
'She's that rare murdering woman'
The case of Bernardo and Homolka -- a young, attractive, suburban couple who ran a house of horrors in the quiet Ontario town of St. Catharines -- stunned Canada in the early 1990s. Their acts made them the nation's most reviled criminals.
At their trials, evidence was presented that the pair tortured schoolgirls Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy for days before finally killing them, chopping up Mahaffy's body and encasing it in cement.
Homolka and Bernardo held their lavish wedding just weeks after one torture session. That same day Mahaffy's body parts, encased in concrete, were discovered in a nearby lake.
During the years she has been in prison, rare glimpses into her life behind bars have made front page headlines though little is heard of Bernardo. Articles about Homolka tend to focus on **** issues: a l*****n lover, lewd acts with an inmate through a fence, a picture of a topless Homolka posing coyly on a picnic blanket.
Homolka appeared in public for the first time in a decade at a court hearing in June. The once perky blonde had been replaced by an angular-featured woman with darker hair, a grim expression and down-turned mouth.
"She's that rare murdering woman; there aren't that many," said Christie Blatchford, a columnist for the Globe and Mail newspaper. "There's a prurient element to it too because of the **** assaults on the three girls."
Ontario has won exceptionally rare restrictions on Homolka, citing fears she may offend again. Psychiatrists argued her communication with a man serving a life sentence for strangling his girlfriend to death shows she is still attracted to dangerous men.
Homolka plans to change her name and appearance and live in French-speaking Quebec, far from St. Catharines where she committed her crimes. Despite her attempt at anonymity, the court restrictions need to be renewed each year, ensuring an annual spotlight.
The restrictions, which include weekly reports to police, are unusual for a convict who has served a full prison term rather than leaving early on parole, and have drawn criticism in legal circles.
"She's not to be judged now. She was judged 12 years ago and the judgment is over, as it should be," said Peter Rosenthal, a lawyer and adjunct law professor at the University of Toronto. "She should be allowed to start a new life in some quiet way and this is going to prevent that, if they pay all that attention to her."
'Artificial, articulate, manipulative'
Some Canadians remain afraid of what Homolka might do. She is regarded as a master manipulator and even the fact that she obtained a psychology degree while in prison generates fear.
"I agree 150 percent with the restrictions because she is a danger to society and madly manipulative," said Francoise Watier, a Joliette resident who said she took part in the search for Kristen French in 1992 in southern Ontario.
"She can do it again. She even got a psychology degree while she was in there, now she can even manipulate the psychologists who are supposed to evaluate her."
A prison psychiatric assessment described her as "a very artificial, articulate, manipulative person."
At her 1993 trial, Homolka presented herself as a victim, the abused wife of a sociopath who had no choice but to help Bernardo in his schemes to kidnap young **** slaves.
"This is just a continuation of a big con," said Tim Danson, a lawyer for the victims' families. "Karla Homolka had read a book on battered wife syndrome before any of these doctors started to talk to her."
In another psychiatric report, Homolka said she now wants to meet a man with "moral values of marriage ... who loves his mother [and] shows a respectful attitude toward women" -- and loves pets.
But those dreams of a picture-perfect life may be next to impossible for someone so infamous.
The pretty suburban home where Homolka and Bernardo lived out their violent **** fantasies has been torn down.
Copyright 2005 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
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Ah...the moral outrage of liberals finallys seeing the light... 
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sinrakin
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I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily.
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Frax
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| sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country.
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| Frax wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country. |
This is a case I'm somewhat familiar with from other sourses. She managed to get the plea bargain by painting herself as an abused spouse who was afraid to do anything to stop her husband. It wasn't untill the tapes surfaced later that her true actions were revieled, at which point it was already too late to adjust the sentancing.
I don't see any argument however for not sending her to a mental institution the moment she is released from prison.
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Dril
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and considering the defence had the tapes and didn't disclose them in court. I completely agree with Frax. They shouldn't have even wasted the time with a plea bargain if there was a death penalty. I'm pretty sure the three girls that are dead didn't get a plea bargain. Makes me sick
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Here's a reason: bullets are cheaper than therapy
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Regan
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| Maldek wrote: | | Here's a reason: bullets are cheaper than therapy |
I'm talking about things that can be done legaly 
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motherface
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There are cases in which the state is 99% sure that the accused person committed the crime in question.
There are cases in which the state is 85% sure that the accused person committed the crime in question.
There are cases in which the state is 60% sure that the accused person committed the crime in question.
Where's the threshold for who should be killed and who may really be innocent? What if you have a guy who matches the description of the killer and his DNA even matches, but in reality his secret twin brother that he never met is the one who committed the crime and he's since escaped to Brazil?
For the types of crimes this b***h committed - the rape, torture and murder of teenagers - I can certainly agree with the statement that "the killers should be killed.' But as long as there's any doubt about the accused person's guilt - and there is always doubt when humans are involved - I don't see how we can use such a permanent solution as death. And while I'd like to have the death penalty for cases like this, if you leave the option available even for only "extreme" cases, it will inevitably be misused or abused because the people determining guilt or innocence as well as the punishment are, in general, morons.
In short, there are crimes that warrant death. But since we can never be completely certain that the accused person is the actual criminal, I don't see how we can, in good conscience, still use the death penalty. Some people may be okay with the risk of killing innocent people; I am not. There's always some smartass who'll chime in that "one or two dead innocents is worth killing 1000 legitimate felons," to which I reply, what if it was you?
In any event, this case has nothing to do with the death penalty or lack thereof because the DA plea bargained it down to 12 years to get the husband.
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i hope when she gets out some sick psycho freak a*****e kidnaps her and does to her what they did to kristen and leslie, and then some.
as for paul, he deserves much worse .. far far worse!
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If someone did that to my daughter, and they let her out of prison. It would mean one thing, I would have to kill her. Hopefully one of the victims relatives has balls enough to do the right thing.
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Jakanden
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| Kbarr wrote: | | If someone did that to my daughter, and they let her out of prison. It would mean one thing, I would have to kill her. Hopefully one of the victims relatives has balls enough to do the right thing. |
For once - I agree with Kbarr
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| Quote: | | presented her own teen-age sister to her boyfriend as a gift |
... wtf
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Paco
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| Kbarr wrote: | | If someone did that to my daughter, and they let her out of prison. It would mean one thing, I would have to kill her. Hopefully one of the victims relatives has balls enough to do the right thing. |
and if he did that, he'd only get like 3 years probation
happened to some guy, was on TV too..I can't remember the specifics, but it was like this boy's father who shot the guy who killed his kid at the airport on the way to being transfered to or from court/prision, right on TV
the father basically got 3 years probation, or 3 years in jail and it was commuted after 30 days..i don't recall tho..so I might be off a bit..but jury's tend to side with the victim's family during the trial
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| Frax wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country. |
You still miss the point.
You're posting a thread saying "this is what happens when you don't have the death penalty" and yet it is a completely spurious example to your argument.
The example is "this is what happens when you have plea bargaining". That's a huge difference.
A better example would be Myra and Ian Brady. Hindley, girlfriend of Brady who helped him murdered 6 or so young girls in the UK in the 60s. In a country with plea bargaining, not only would she would, like the woman in your example, have spent a short spell in prison to be released. In the UK she was jailed for the rest of her life, dying in prison after close to 40 years behind bars.
In countries with plea bargaining, such as the United States its easy for a party in horrific crimes to escape whatever justice that country has (death penalty or life in prison), *especially* if they are a woman and play the bullied girlfriend card.
Whatever your view of the death penalty, your example serves no purpose in proving or disproving its validity, its merely a gut reaction of a brainless moron wittering on about shit he has not the first clue about.
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I think that was an episode of The Practice Paco.
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The alternative to the death penalty is life in prison, not 12 years in prison.
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Jakanden
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | I think that was an episode of The Practice Paco. |
ZING!
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A guy that used to work for us went and killed the guy that raped his daughter. I think he served 5 years.
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| Eduin wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country. |
You still miss the point.
You're posting a thread saying "this is what happens when you don't have the death penalty" and yet it is a completely spurious example to your argument.
The example is "this is what happens when you have plea bargaining". That's a huge difference.
A better example would be Myra and Ian Brady. Hindley, girlfriend of Brady who helped him murdered 6 or so young girls in the UK in the 60s. In a country with plea bargaining, not only would she would, like the woman in your example, have spent a short spell in prison to be released. In the UK she was jailed for the rest of her life, dying in prison after close to 40 years behind bars.
In countries with plea bargaining, such as the United States its easy for a party in horrific crimes to escape whatever justice that country has (death penalty or life in prison), *especially* if they are a woman and play the bullied girlfriend card.
Whatever your view of the death penalty, your example serves no purpose in proving or disproving its validity, its merely a gut reaction of a brainless moron wittering on about shit he has not the first clue about.
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Frax
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 12:54 Post subject:
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| Eduin wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country. |
You still miss the point.
You're posting a thread saying "this is what happens when you don't have the death penalty" and yet it is a completely spurious example to your argument.
The example is "this is what happens when you have plea bargaining". That's a huge difference.
A better example would be Myra and Ian Brady. Hindley, girlfriend of Brady who helped him murdered 6 or so young girls in the UK in the 60s. In a country with plea bargaining, not only would she would, like the woman in your example, have spent a short spell in prison to be released. In the UK she was jailed for the rest of her life, dying in prison after close to 40 years behind bars.
In countries with plea bargaining, such as the United States its easy for a party in horrific crimes to escape whatever justice that country has (death penalty or life in prison), *especially* if they are a woman and play the bullied girlfriend card.
Whatever your view of the death penalty, your example serves no purpose in proving or disproving its validity, its merely a gut reaction of a brainless moron wittering on about shit he has not the first clue about.
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Wrong as usual. Only in places where you don't have a death penalty do two people ( don't forget her husband ) walk around living and breathing after commiting at least three very brutal rapes and murders. These two should have been worm food a decade ago, and now one of them is even going to be set free in a month.
Only a fucknob like you would put so much value into a headline on realpoor, the headline was meant to draw attention.
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Eduin wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see what this has to do with the death penalty. They made a plea bargain with her to convict her husband; she got manslaughter. I don't think you're going to have a death penalty for manslaughter. So it's really more like what happens when you make plea bargains too readily. |
People like her need to be culled from the gene pool, exterminated like a mouse in the kitchen or a flea on your dog. They should not continue to waste good oxygen in a modern society.
If anything, we are far, far too lenient on excercising the death penalty even in this country. |
You still miss the point.
You're posting a thread saying "this is what happens when you don't have the death penalty" and yet it is a completely spurious example to your argument.
The example is "this is what happens when you have plea bargaining". That's a huge difference.
A better example would be Myra and Ian Brady. Hindley, girlfriend of Brady who helped him murdered 6 or so young girls in the UK in the 60s. In a country with plea bargaining, not only would she would, like the woman in your example, have spent a short spell in prison to be released. In the UK she was jailed for the rest of her life, dying in prison after close to 40 years behind bars.
In countries with plea bargaining, such as the United States its easy for a party in horrific crimes to escape whatever justice that country has (death penalty or life in prison), *especially* if they are a woman and play the bullied girlfriend card.
Whatever your view of the death penalty, your example serves no purpose in proving or disproving its validity, its merely a gut reaction of a brainless moron wittering on about shit he has not the first clue about.
Regards,
Eduin |
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| Jakanden wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | I think that was an episode of The Practice Paco. |
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I've never seen the Practice.
ZING!!
now you're gonna make me go search ogrish's forums for it? dirty mutha fuckas!
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| kemble wrote: | | A guy that used to work for us went and killed the guy that raped his daughter. I think he served 5 years. |
Not bad!
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| Paco wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | I think that was an episode of The Practice Paco. |
ZING! |
I've never seen the Practice.
ZING!!
now you're gonna make me go search ogrish's forums for it? dirty mutha fuckas! |
I've seen that vid..does he pull the gun out of his boot?
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| Paco wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | If someone did that to my daughter, and they let her out of prison. It would mean one thing, I would have to kill her. Hopefully one of the victims relatives has balls enough to do the right thing. |
and if he did that, he'd only get like 3 years probation
happened to some guy, was on TV too..I can't remember the specifics, but it was like this boy's father who shot the guy who killed his kid at the airport on the way to being transfered to or from court/prision, right on TV
the father basically got 3 years probation, or 3 years in jail and it was commuted after 30 days..i don't recall tho..so I might be off a bit..but jury's tend to side with the victim's family during the trial |
Yea it was in Baton Rouge where he was shot, he walked they wouldn't convict him..
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Jakanden
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| Paco wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | I think that was an episode of The Practice Paco. |
ZING! |
I've never seen the Practice.
ZING!!
now you're gonna make me go search ogrish's forums for it? dirty mutha fuckas! |
Ogrish is one of those sites I have never gone to, nor will I ever heh
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it's just easier to find at ogrish, then you can get the info to search for it
i'm a sick b*****d like that..i love seeing vids of our tax dollars at work
the rest of it i don't bother looking at
and yes, i think that dude pulled it from his shoe..he was like talkin on the phone, waited for them to walk by, grabbed his gun, popped the guy right in the head, then dropped it and got into the position on the ground
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If you drug someone so heavily that they choke on their own vomit and die, you should have a much stricter sentence than 12 years.
The other stuff? THAT makes it worth the death penalty.
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