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PostPosted: 02/28/04 - 20:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you read what I said about gays and pedos being different? :-/

Who gives a shit what you wrote because it's incorrect. Given the choice, would a heterosexual molest a boy or a girl, especially when given equal access which is the case for priests? 81% of the victims are boys because the is apparently a large number of gay child f****r priests. But I'll agree with the following:

-Being gay does not necessarily indicate you are a child f****r.
-If you are a child f****r and you prefer to molest boys, then you are a homosexual.
-The rate of homosexual pedophiles per homsexual is MUCH greater than the rate of heterosexual pedophiles per heterosexual. i.e., gays are much more likely to be pedophiles than straights.
-The priest issue is more a problem with allowing gays to be clergymen (who have easy access to children) than a problem with the church itself...though the church completely bungled the handling of the situation once it was brought to light.
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PostPosted: 02/28/04 - 21:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Silvermouse wrote:
Did you read what I said about gays and pedos being different? :-/

Who gives a shit what you wrote because it's incorrect. Given the choice, would a heterosexual molest a boy or a girl, especially when given equal access which is the case for priests? 81% of the victims are boys because the is apparently a large number of gay child f****r priests. But I'll agree with the following:

-Being gay does not necessarily indicate you are a child f****r.
-If you are a child f****r and you prefer to molest boys, then you are a homosexual.
-The rate of homosexual pedophiles per homsexual is MUCH greater than the rate of heterosexual pedophiles per heterosexual. i.e., gays are much more likely to be pedophiles than straights.
-The priest issue is more a problem with allowing gays to be clergymen (who have easy access to children) than a problem with the church itself...though the church completely bungled the handling of the situation once it was brought to light.


You are assuming that all pedophiles that molest boys are homosexuals, also. I am saying that the two are different. Pedos might be pedos because they crave the power or have some weird fetish involving boys. This doesn't mean that they'd f**k other men! That's why they're pedophiles and not homosexuals. Dumping pedos into the same pile as homos is a slap in the face to gay men out there.
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PostPosted: 02/28/04 - 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you read what I said about gays and pedos being different? :-/

Who gives a shit what you wrote because it's incorrect. Given the choice, would a heterosexual molest a boy or a girl, especially when given equal access which is the case for priests? 81% of the victims are boys because the is apparently a large number of gay child f****r priests. But I'll agree with the following:

-Being gay does not necessarily indicate you are a child f****r.
-If you are a child f****r and you prefer to molest boys, then you are a homosexual.
-The rate of homosexual pedophiles per homsexual is MUCH greater than the rate of heterosexual pedophiles per heterosexual. i.e., gays are much more likely to be pedophiles than straights.
-The priest issue is more a problem with allowing gays to be clergymen (who have easy access to children) than a problem with the church itself...though the church completely bungled the handling of the situation once it was brought to light.


You are assuming that all pedophiles that molest boys are homosexuals, also. I am saying that the two are different. Pedos might be pedos because they crave the power or have some weird fetish involving boys. This doesn't mean that they'd f**k other men! That's why they're pedophiles and not homosexuals. Dumping pedos into the same pile as homos is a slap in the face to gay men out there.


I gotta agree with silver, phoenix your point neglects serious issues, its a question of what drives people to be gay and what drives them to be a child f****r, its possible that the 2 things while both producing the desire to have relations with the same **** are caused by very different genes or disorders. Its been proven time and time again in science that looking at 1 symptom to diagnose the problem is a very very 1 dimensional way of doing things and highly prone to error. 2 different things can cause the same symptoms, and this could well be the case in this situation.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 08:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys just don't want to admit the truth. If a man has easy access to underage boys and girls and decides to molest the boys...he's a homosexual. Pretty straight forward. If these priests were heterosexual, they would molest the girls.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 13:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You guys just don't want to admit the truth. If a man has easy access to underage boys and girls and decides to molest the boys...he's a homosexual. Pretty straight forward. If these priests were heterosexual, they would molest the girls.


If a car is red, it's a honda.
If you're from Texas and you like football, you're a Cowboy fan.
If a movie has any laughs in it, it's a comedy.
If a man molests a boy, he's a homosexual.

We'll just have to stop here at this impasse, since we can't agree on the definition. I'll at least admit that we don't fully know the workings of the human mind, as opposed to just claiming something is true or not true.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 16:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it?


most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad.

But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

the vast majority of reported ones my friend. There are just as many 16 year old girls that get knocked up by priests and are shamed into submission.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 17:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Tolanin wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it?


most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad.

But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

the vast majority of reported ones my friend. There are just as many 16 year old girls that get knocked up by priests and are shamed into submission.



Nice supporting information to prove that. I cant recall a preist abusing a girl, its been gay from what I remember also. I am sure its happend a good amount, but I would say 5-10% of the abuse more likely if I had to guess like Lauren.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 18:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Priests do molest girls. It's happened around here before. The numbers aren't as high, though.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 18:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alter girls were very uncommon before the '90s, or when many of these assaults took place. Surely WNWS knows this....
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 19:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xthos wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Tolanin wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it?


most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad.

But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

the vast majority of reported ones my friend. There are just as many 16 year old girls that get knocked up by priests and are shamed into submission.



Nice supporting information to prove that. I cant recall a preist abusing a girl, its been gay from what I remember also. I am sure its happend a good amount, but I would say 5-10% of the abuse more likely if I had to guess like Lauren.

consider this. If a boy says the priest messed with him **** everyone believes it was forced. If a girl says a priest messed with her ****, then she is a liar or a w***e. Have you ever considered that angle?
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 19:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
consider this. If a boy says the priest messed with him **** everyone believes it was forced. If a girl says a priest messed with her ****, then she is a liar or a w***e. Have you ever considered that angle?


Actually...if any adult forces a child...it's not the child's fault at all. There was a good point made...most of the altar attendants were boys, thus the high volume of accusations from males...and few from females.

Also, if you look through history, this has been going on long before now...with both male and female victims.

Anyone have any figures from other countries...or is this just limited to the US...???
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 19:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liberals. Defenders of homosexual pedophila! Where's your slippery slope now?
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 19:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
Xthos wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Tolanin wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it?


most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad.

But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

the vast majority of reported ones my friend. There are just as many 16 year old girls that get knocked up by priests and are shamed into submission.



Nice supporting information to prove that. I cant recall a preist abusing a girl, its been gay from what I remember also. I am sure its happend a good amount, but I would say 5-10% of the abuse more likely if I had to guess like Lauren.

consider this. If a boy says the priest messed with him **** everyone believes it was forced. If a girl says a priest messed with her ****, then she is a liar or a w***e. Have you ever considered that angle?



Yeah, every boy child is much more credible. I dont think I have seen a worse argument in a while. A girl that sleeps around a lot, then is raped is often doubted. Not a girl molested by a priest, you would have to believe she was molested to call her a w***e....
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, quit being gay...
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Docter wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
consider this. If a boy says the priest messed with him **** everyone believes it was forced. If a girl says a priest messed with her ****, then she is a liar or a w***e. Have you ever considered that angle?


Actually...if any adult forces a child...it's not the child's fault at all. There was a good point made...most of the altar attendants were boys, thus the high volume of accusations from males...and few from females.

Also, if you look through history, this has been going on long before now...with both male and female victims.

Anyone have any figures from other countries...or is this just limited to the US...???

true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 20:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

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true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.


No, not by my standards...it means the priest is still a rapist, whether the victim is a boy or girl.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 21:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
Docter wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
consider this. If a boy says the priest messed with him **** everyone believes it was forced. If a girl says a priest messed with her ****, then she is a liar or a w***e. Have you ever considered that angle?


Actually...if any adult forces a child...it's not the child's fault at all. There was a good point made...most of the altar attendants were boys, thus the high volume of accusations from males...and few from females.

Also, if you look through history, this has been going on long before now...with both male and female victims.

Anyone have any figures from other countries...or is this just limited to the US...???

true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.

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true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.


No, not by my standards...it means the priest is still a rapist, whether the victim is a boy or girl.

most adults would never report this, or would never let it hit the media.
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PostPosted: 02/29/04 - 21:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
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lauren000 wrote:
true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.


No, not by my standards...it means the priest is still a rapist, whether the victim is a boy or girl.

most adults would never report this, or would never let it hit the media.

BS. You've been exposed. This report shows that gays are dangerous to children. Now you're trying to come up with arbitrary excuses for homosexual pedophiles. Way to go.
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that's b******t. You know for a fact that most cases of molestation are NEVER reported. How can you claim to be infallible when you don't even have 1/3rd of the necessary info.
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that's b******t. You know for a fact that most cases of molestation are NEVER reported. How can you claim to be infallible when you don't even have 1/3rd of the necessary info.

Why do you think female cases are underreported?? You think any grown heterosexual man wants to admit that he was molested by a man? What the f**k is wrong with you?? Stop defending homosexual pedophila you fuckup.
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lauren000 wrote:
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lauren000 wrote:
true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.


No, not by my standards...it means the priest is still a rapist, whether the victim is a boy or girl.

most adults would never report this, or would never let it hit the media.

BS. You've been exposed. This report shows that gays are dangerous to children. Now you're trying to come up with arbitrary excuses for homosexual pedophiles. Way to go.


Your "report" is from a Christian news site.
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Silvermouse wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
Docter wrote:
lauren000 wrote:
true but many of these boys were ages 12-16. If a girl age 12-16 had **** with a priest and didn't have a ton of bruises from being forced then she is a w***e.


No, not by my standards...it means the priest is still a rapist, whether the victim is a boy or girl.

most adults would never report this, or would never let it hit the media.

BS. You've been exposed. This report shows that gays are dangerous to children. Now you're trying to come up with arbitrary excuses for homosexual pedophiles. Way to go.


Your "report" is from a Christian news site.

No. The report is filing from the Catholic church of all cases brought against it. They released numbers of all of the accusers.
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*sigh* Homosexuality and pedophelia are two completely different things. If you move outside the priest scandals into the real world, the majority of male/boy **** assults are perpetuated by men who otherwise live entirely heterosexually. These are men that would *never* consider a gay relationship.

Confusing any type of **** assult with **** is plain silly. **** has nothing to do with it - it is merely the tool (like a gun) used to satisfy some sick need (varied from offender to offender but generally has to do with need for control, domination, the need to humiliate, etc). Try actually researching at the DoJ or another *reliable* source, rather than a source that obviously has its own agenda.

As far as gay marriage goes, it can only strength the gay community in general and would actually be a more positive step towards 'family values' than banning it. I find it fascinating that people complain about promiscuity amoung gays, but they want to refuse them the ability to commit to a long-term relationship and obtain the legal rights and responsibilities that goes with that.

And honestly, which is worse for the overall moral tone of the country: Some bimbo pop singer (I use that word VERY loosely) with a 60 hour marriage or a committed l*****n couple finally being able to marry after 50+ years together?
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*sigh* Homosexuality and pedophelia are two completely different things. If you move outside the priest scandals into the real world, the majority of male/boy **** assults are perpetuated by men who otherwise live entirely heterosexually. These are men that would *never* consider a gay relationship.

Confusing any type of **** assult with **** is plain silly. **** has nothing to do with it - it is merely the tool (like a gun) used to satisfy some sick need (varied from offender to offender but generally has to do with need for control, domination, the need to humiliate, etc). Try actually researching at the DoJ or another *reliable* source, rather than a source that obviously has its own agenda.

As far as gay marriage goes, it can only strength the gay community in general and would actually be a more positive step towards 'family values' than banning it. I find it fascinating that people complain about promiscuity amoung gays, but they want to refuse them the ability to commit to a long-term relationship and obtain the legal rights and responsibilities that goes with that.

And honestly, which is worse for the overall moral tone of the country: Some bimbo pop singer (I use that word VERY loosely) with a 60 hour marriage or a committed l*****n couple finally being able to marry after 50+ years together?

Get a clue, w***e. There's a reason these priests CHOOSE boys over girls. The reason is.....come on, now. You can't be that stupid.
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Phoenix wrote:
Shanda wrote:
*sigh* Homosexuality and pedophelia are two completely different things. If you move outside the priest scandals into the real world, the majority of male/boy **** assults are perpetuated by men who otherwise live entirely heterosexually. These are men that would *never* consider a gay relationship.

Confusing any type of **** assult with **** is plain silly. **** has nothing to do with it - it is merely the tool (like a gun) used to satisfy some sick need (varied from offender to offender but generally has to do with need for control, domination, the need to humiliate, etc). Try actually researching at the DoJ or another *reliable* source, rather than a source that obviously has its own agenda.

As far as gay marriage goes, it can only strength the gay community in general and would actually be a more positive step towards 'family values' than banning it. I find it fascinating that people complain about promiscuity amoung gays, but they want to refuse them the ability to commit to a long-term relationship and obtain the legal rights and responsibilities that goes with that.

And honestly, which is worse for the overall moral tone of the country: Some bimbo pop singer (I use that word VERY loosely) with a 60 hour marriage or a committed l*****n couple finally being able to marry after 50+ years together?

Get a clue, w***e. There's a reason these priests CHOOSE boys over girls. The reason is.....come on, now. You can't be that stupid.


lala there you go again.. Some one stands up to you and out come the name calling tsk tsk.. Try something new please... Your getting tiring... Rolling Eyes
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Get a clue, w***e. There's a reason these priests CHOOSE boys over girls. The reason is.....come on, now. You can't be that stupid.


Actually, the most probably reason why priests prey on boys rather than girls is ACCESS. If you have any knowledge of the catholic church, you would know that it is, even today, pretty rare for a priest to have access to youn girls.

It isn't known what causes pedophelia, too much of the brain and it's malfunctions are still unknown. It is known that **** assults don't equate in any way with actual **** (how you would behave and the partners you would choose in a normal, consenting relationship between adults).

Outside the church, it is extremely rare to find homosexuals engaging in the **** assult of a minor. In almost all cases of men abusing boys (outside the church), it is a man that has heterosexual relationships in every other aspect of his life. Again, try visiting the DoJ or doing some *real* research on the subject.

To equate homosexuality with pedophelia as though they go hand in hand is ignorant. You do the math.
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Shanda wrote:
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Get a clue, w***e. There's a reason these priests CHOOSE boys over girls. The reason is.....come on, now. You can't be that stupid.


Actually, the most probably reason why priests prey on boys rather than girls is ACCESS. If you have any knowledge of the catholic church, you would know that it is, even today, pretty rare for a priest to have access to youn girls.

It isn't known what causes pedophelia, too much of the brain and it's malfunctions are still unknown. It is known that **** assults don't equate in any way with actual **** (how you would behave and the partners you would choose in a normal, consenting relationship between adults).

Outside the church, it is extremely rare to find homosexuals engaging in the **** assult of a minor. In almost all cases of men abusing boys (outside the church), it is a man that has heterosexual relationships in every other aspect of his life. Again, try visiting the DoJ or doing some *real* research on the subject.

To equate homosexuality with pedophelia as though they go hand in hand is ignorant. You do the math.


Shan's completely right on this, Phoenix. Name calling and insults isn't going to change that fact.
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"I find it fascinating that people complain about promiscuity amoung gays, but they want to refuse them the ability to commit to a long-term relationship and obtain the legal rights and responsibilities that goes with that"

Excellent point. Both your posts above this were great. It's too bad Phoenix had to resort to name-calling, but we can't blame him. It's his self-defense mechanism. Instead, we'll pray for him!

Oh blessed Jesus,
please turn your blessings on our friend phoenix,
even though his name is representative of an imaginary beast,
a beast which God did NOT create, and thus is a graven image and must be atoned for.
May you forgive him in his betraying sins,
the sins which you died for.

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Phoenix wrote:
Get a clue, w***e. There's a reason these priests CHOOSE boys over girls. The reason is.....come on, now. You can't be that stupid.


Shanda wrote:
Actually, the most probably reason why priests prey on boys rather than girls is ACCESS. If you have any knowledge of the catholic church, you would know that it is, even today, pretty rare for a priest to have access to youn girls.


Hmmm...Interesting logic. You say they have a choice in their actions? In other words they decided to pick on boys over girls? They go to priest school, pass everything then somewhere along the line they decide that because there are so many young boys around, they need to abuse them.

Like somehow, they didn't have that sitting in the back of their mind before they became a priest.

Yeah.....right....

Shanda wrote:
It isn't known what causes pedophelia, too much of the brain and it's malfunctions are still unknown.


Um...yup.


Shanda wrote:
It is known that **** assults don't equate in any way with actual **** (how you would behave and the partners you would choose in a normal, consenting relationship between adults).


This is known? By who? You?

Shanda wrote:
Outside the church, it is extremely rare to find homosexuals engaging in the **** assult of a minor.


Rare? Where are your numbers? Of all the **** assaults on children I have seen most were from people who put themselves in positions where they knew children would be available. Priests, school teachers, monitors hired by the school, baby sitters, camp/sport counselors. The largest group being family members. They, the child f****r, try to place themselves in positions where children are easy targets.


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In almost all cases of men abusing boys (outside the church), it is a man that has heterosexual relationships in every other aspect of his life.


What does this prove about what is going on inside the perps head? That he is real sneaky maybe? Maybe he is trying to camouflage what his real intent is? You think?


Shanda wrote:

Again, try visiting the DoJ or doing some *real* research on the subject.

To equate homosexuality with pedophelia as though they go hand in hand is ignorant. You do the math.


Hand in hand? No. Part of the same problem? Yes, no doubt. A male who attacks a your females is a child f****r. A male who attacks a small boy is a homosexual and a child f****r. Both are deviations of normal **** activity. One perversion has been removed from a list of mental disorders, due to the lobby, the other is illegal.

If you don't think that homosexual child f****r' place themselves in the priesthood, with the clear knowledge of easy targets in mind.

You are a fool.
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