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Tolanin
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 Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:34 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | It's funny. They are trying to amend the Constitution to ban gays from getting married, but I'd rather see an amendment that forces priests to be screened before they are "let loose" upon our children. |
seperation of church and state, pretty sure they cant amend the constitution to contradict itself or target a specfic group, they could pass laws that screened anyone with extended contact with young children for pedophilic tendency but honestly how you judge that and if you can enforce a penalty is beyond me, forbiding someone from getting a non govt job because they might do something but have no prior record of it is illegal.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:35 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | It's funny. They are trying to amend the Constitution to ban gays from getting married, but I'd rather see an amendment that forces priests to be screened before they are "let loose" upon our children. |
Aye, they're not tending to their own house first.
Big mistake, it weakens their position across the board.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:35 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | It's funny. They are trying to amend the Constitution to ban gays from getting married, but I'd rather see an amendment that forces priests to be screened before they are "let loose" upon our children. |
seperation of church and state, pretty sure they cant amend the constitution to contradict itself or target a specfic group, they could pass laws that screened anyone with extended contact with young children for pedophilic tendency but honestly how you judge that and if you can enforce a penalty is beyond me, forbiding someone from getting a non govt job because they might do something but have no prior record of it is illegal. |
True...but so far the Catholic Church hasn't been policing it's own. Seems they have been letting things coast for far too long...
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:39 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | It's funny. They are trying to amend the Constitution to ban gays from getting married, but I'd rather see an amendment that forces priests to be screened before they are "let loose" upon our children. |
Aye, they're not tending to their own house first.
Big mistake, it weakens their position across the board. |
you realize the priest scandle is catholic and most of the republicans are protestants, a group that has had no **** abuse scandles linked to it cause we dont have archiac laws that forbid our pastors from marrying. Check it out tho the protestant movement and the protestant founding of our country. historically we have discriminated against catholics here. Atleast in political office since the pope declared himself infallible.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:45 Post subject:
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Catholics are a very large and powerful lobby, though. They should spend less energy worrying about gay marriages and abortion and more energy on eliminating the vast perversion and dishonesty running rampant through their institution.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 21:49 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Catholics are a very large and powerful lobby, though. They should spend less energy worrying about gay marriages and abortion and more energy on eliminating the vast perversion and dishonesty running rampant through their institution. |
trust me bro none of the catholics are happy with whats going on in their church, lots are just leaving. Its hard for them, rome is far away, the congress of cardinals declared that the pope could not be wrong back in the 19th century, what can they do except leave if he wont do anything, its not a democracy, the cardinals dont have to listen to them. the biggest anti gay lobby tho is protestant atleast in this country tho, catholics will vote for it ya but they arent the reason its there.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:09 Post subject:
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Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it?
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:12 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:19 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad. |
But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:48 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad. |
But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431 |
stop being a moron, you know as well as i know that that has nothing to do with anything, the vast numbers of murderers have been black and do you think being black is immoral for that reason. It might well be immoral but that arguement is poor, stereotyping is stupid and to sugest that gays are pedophiles is like sugesting blacks should all be jailed because they are murderers.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:52 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad. |
But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431 |
stop being a moron, you know as well as i know that that has nothing to do with anything, the vast numbers of murderers have been black and do you think being black is immoral for that reason. It might well be immoral but that arguement is poor, stereotyping is stupid and to sugest that gays are pedophiles is like sugesting blacks should all be jailed because they are murderers. |
There's a higher correlation with poverty and murder than race and murder. So yes, I think poverty is not something that should be encouraged. Do you think homosexuality should be encouraged?
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:53 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
Seriously, what is your thing with **** and children? How many have you molested?
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:00 Post subject:
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But on the flip side of the coin being celebate also causes this, they think they can force children to please them because they are weak and easy to control. There choice of boys over girls is because of their homosexuality, but if they were straight they would prolly just abuse the girls. Another angle is that because of how gays were viewed by the catholic church (and society) a gay man could easily have assumed that the priesthood would be better because he would not have to come out because he was celebate. Had he been accepted as a homosexual by his family it might be different who knows, assigning the problem as simply a problem of being gay is wrong, its multi-layered just like the issue of blacks, poverty and murder is multi-layered.
On the genetic side of the coin the thing that makes you a child f****r might also make you gay but also be seperate from the thing that makes most normal non child f****r gays gay, our understanding is sadly so limited that its really unclear and impossible to narrow it down as much as being able to say being gay predisposes you to being a child f****r while it might well be that being a child f****r predisposes you to being gay... in which case gays who are not pedophiles would not be in danger of becoming them.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:03 Post subject:
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I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:07 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
thats a decent point but i think the comment on the catholics was more aimed at the "you have problems of your own why are you focusing on us, trying to change the subject?" line than the "your priests are pedophiles you shouldnt be telling us what to do" line. Or i could be wrong ;p thats the arguement I would take if i was trying to defend gaydom from catholics.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:21 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Most the priests who molested kids were gay. Ironic, isn't it? |
most catholic priests can not be openly gay and most do not have any open **** affiliation at all. Its more common for men to abuse boys than girls tho for whatever reason, i cant pretend to understand the mind of a child f****r, but to pin it on regular gays is kinda f****d up. Like pinning murder on black people implying they are all bad. |
But the vast majority of child f****r priests have been gay. Interesting...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431 |
LOL. Was that an exculsive report from "WorldNetDaily"? It seemed like the article had a slight agenda to it. Why not just get your news from The Watchtower?
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:29 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
I've only known one gay guy who molested a kid, and it was because he was shrooming. Gays and pedos are two different things. If you want to be fair, most girls are molested by hetero males. Does that make hetero males pedophiles? Or does the pedo label only apply when gay guys do it to boys?
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:33 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
I've only known one gay guy who molested a kid, and it was because he was shrooming. Gays and pedos are two different things. If you want to be fair, most girls are molested by hetero males. Does that make hetero males pedophiles? Or does the pedo label only apply when gay guys do it to boys? |
How many pedophiles do you know???
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:38 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
I've only known one gay guy who molested a kid, and it was because he was shrooming. Gays and pedos are two different things. If you want to be fair, most girls are molested by hetero males. Does that make hetero males pedophiles? Or does the pedo label only apply when gay guys do it to boys? |
How many pedophiles do you know??? |
counting or not counting himself?
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:51 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
I've only known one gay guy who molested a kid, and it was because he was shrooming. Gays and pedos are two different things. If you want to be fair, most girls are molested by hetero males. Does that make hetero males pedophiles? Or does the pedo label only apply when gay guys do it to boys? |
How many pedophiles do you know??? |
Well, if gay people are pedos, a lot! And is it not a fact that most girls are molested by hetero males?
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 00:46 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | I'm not saying being gay makes you a child f****r, even though the rates are much higher (probably due to the much higher rates of **** promiscuity). I'm saying it's ironic that people are attacking pedophila in the Catholic church when in reality pretty much all the cases have been homosexual in nature. If you're going to try to defend gays by attacking your opponent, gay child f****r priests probably isn't a good first choice. |
I've only known one gay guy who molested a kid, and it was because he was shrooming. Gays and pedos are two different things. If you want to be fair, most girls are molested by hetero males. Does that make hetero males pedophiles? Or does the pedo label only apply when gay guys do it to boys? |
How many pedophiles do you know??? |
Well, if gay people are pedos, a lot! And is it not a fact that most girls are molested by hetero males? |
There are slightly more girls molested by boys overall, which means that the rate of pedophilia among gays is much higher. Specifically talking about priests, though, the vast majority are gay. So I don't get why people are bringing up gay child f****r priests to defend gays. Makes no sense to me.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 00:48 Post subject:
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Some statistcs:
99% of all accused/convicted pedophiles are male.
93% of the victims are female.
45% of all pedophiles are the father figure.
The primary motives for pedophilia: power and authority.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 00:54 Post subject:
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so i am gonna lean towards that the reason the priests do the boys is they were always gay but joined the priesthood to try to hide it but cant so they take advantage of the kids. more logical to me that a person who joins the priesthood has to have a reason to want to give up ****, and not wanting your family to ever know your a f*g seems reasonable. Not saying all priests but a dispropotionate event, if your trying to run from something no better place to go than a place where your not allowed to do it at all.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 01:41 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Some statistcs:
99% of all accused/convicted pedophiles are male.
93% of the victims are female.
45% of all pedophiles are the father figure.
The primary motives for pedophilia: power and authority. |
Get your numbers right. It's about 1 in 3 molested are boys (there's no way they could no 93% exactly since very few cases are closed). But since gays make up a max of about 3% of the population and since 1 in 3 child **** crimes are male on male, then that makes the homosexual pedophila rate 11 times higher than the heterosexual rate. Why you want to defend gay pedophiles so badly is beyond me, though.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 01:57 Post subject:
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I defended gay pedophiles here?
Wow, not only do you know shit about American history, but you can't read either!
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 02:01 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | I defended gay pedophiles here?
Wow, not only do you know shit about American history, but you can't read either! |
You're trying to claim they're not as prevelant as they are. That's defending them.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 18:28 Post subject:
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My point is that being a gay male and being a male child f****r who molests boys are two different things. Same for females.
But, to be fair, I think this whole "**** thing" that goes on in human minds is a lot more complex than the few categories we divide it into. Someone might be gay who also molests boys, or a happily married man who screws his wife and then the 13 year old babysitter, etc.
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 19:33 Post subject:
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Did you read what I said about gays and pedos being different? :-/
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 20:08 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Did you read what I said about gays and pedos being different? :-/ |
Na, He studying for his next career path... 
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