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sinrakin
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 Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:14 Post subject: What happens to gay society if gay marriage is legalized?
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It's probably to late in the day to post this, but maybe some people are still posting. I was wondering how much legitimization of the gay lifestyle would affect it. I'm in favor of gay marriage, or at least equal rights for gay couples, but I do wonder a little if anything would be lost.
So maybe these are all my own stereotypes, and I'm just as bigoted as anyone else, but in a different way. But I do sort of have an image of gays as more creative, more edgy, more "out there", and somewhat tightly knit as a community. How much of that comes from being a minority, being persecuted, having to stick together, being "outside" conventional society, enjoying shocking people a little, etc?
Once gays are the same as everyone else, will they become just as boring as everyone else?
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Minion
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:15 Post subject:
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sinrakin
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:18 Post subject:
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I don't think so, Minion. Show me one thread, or even one post in a thread, that even considers how legitimization would affect gay society. It's a totally different question.
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hitachi
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:20 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | I don't think so, Minion. Show me one thread, or even one post in a thread, that even considers how legitimization would affect gay society. It's a totally different question. |
but its the same stupid f*****g topic. all thats happening is its getting rehased over and over and the same people make the same f*****g arguements.
hey i have an idea, lets talk about laurens **** change, or lets make posts about bloodbelch being a f*****g idiot because all he does is do drugs, or lets talk about any other f*****g topic that gets rehashed 15 times a day here.
atleast keep it to one or two threads, rather then fill the whole first page with the same shit.
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Minion
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:21 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | I don't think so, Minion. Show me one thread, or even one post in a thread, that even considers how legitimization would affect gay society. It's a totally different question. |
A different question about the same subject? Gee whiz go you. Even f**s are tired of hearing about this shit.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:21 Post subject:
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My stab at it. Homesexual lifestyle becomes much more commonplace, more and more kids call themselves "bisexual" and promiscuos, increased disease (STD's and AIDS), more out of "wedlock" (whatever that means) kids leading to increased f****d up kids, ie more violence, crime, poverty and chaos.
Gay will become blasse, the next fight will be to legalize pedophillia under the guise of equal rights for children (parents have no right to say who can and can't consent to **** with an adult). It will seem like a "reasonable" argument.
Not right away, all over time
/shrug
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Merican
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:23 Post subject:
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maybe theyll just give up on the whole marijuana legal for cancer patients and make it entirely legal ?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:23 Post subject:
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Heh, OK, I thought it was an interesting angle. Maybe I'm just tired 
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:25 Post subject:
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MISCONCEPTION: increased disease (STD's and AIDS)
HISPANIC HETERO FEMALES are the fastest growing group contracting HIV/AIDS. Thx census info!
But I will agree with you that anytime you have *2* males in a given equation that contains f*****g, STD's are probably going to rise!
I just don't like the spin you added to it. Like gays are more dirty somehow.
Pank, that's just not true man. You probably don't have a single gay friend, so I feel obligated to clue you in.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:28 Post subject:
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in an effort to assure the quick death of this thread I will not be posting my view points in it and will only say that megalo is a complete and total moron and any word that comes out of his mouth should be considered a lie until otherwise proven by no less than 3 legitimate responsible resources.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:31 Post subject:
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hehe...i didn't even see the silly part of wedlock and kids!
Pank, you realize that gay folks can't procreate right?
And you also realize the EXTREME cost of going in-vetro? (that's artificial insemination for you typical posters)
Your argruments, or as I like to call them...FEARS, will not come to fruition.
You are simply scared of what you don't understand.
So gay guys f**k each other in the ass?!??! SO f*****g WHAT!!
I've nailed more girls in the ass in this past year than probably any 50 of you combined. ('member, my roommate posts here all the time. I don't get the added benefit of lying like you studs do!)
Maybe I should't be allowed to get married either?!
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:37 Post subject:
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Tolain,
Tell me about your extensive experiences with gay folks.
Clue me in as to why you're so knowledgable on this subject.
Surely you must have this gay thing locked down, seeing as your posts suggest as much.
Please, tell me about gay people and getting laid. Two things you're probably well versed in. )
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:38 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | hehe...i didn't even see the silly part of wedlock and kids!
Pank, you realize that gay folks can't procreate right?
And you also realize the EXTREME cost of going in-vetro? (that's artificial insemination for you typical posters)
Your argruments, or as I like to call them...FEARS, will not come to fruition.
You are simply scared of what you don't understand.
So gay guys f**k each other in the ass?!??! SO f*****g WHAT!!
I've nailed more girls in the ass in this past year than probably any 50 of you combined. ('member, my roommate posts here all the time. I don't get the added benefit of lying like you studs do!)
Maybe I should't be allowed to get married either?! |
The reason AIDS spread so fast in the gay community was because of 1) It hit them first, 2) very high promiscuity, 3) anal ****.
You practicing anal **** with tons of broads doesn't put you at that great of a risk as the giver, but for them it sure does.
As to do I have any gay friends? My best friend from 8th grade decided he was gay, but then decided later on he was bi, haven't talked to him in a loong time now, so no idea. I consider Nahuali an EQ "friend", and I've worked with quite a few gays. I have nothing against them as people, and really don't care what they do with themselves to be quite honest with you.
What I was talking about was an overall breaking down of **** morals in society which would lead to all of the above (as an example see what the **** revolution of the 60's has brought us to).
Anyway, it's just my opinion 
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:42 Post subject:
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ok fair enough.
Now would you say that the "institution of marriage" isn't already in shambles as we speak?
Over half of your hetero marriages end in divorce. And even higher rate of males committing adultery in a given marriage. People have premarital **** now whenever the feel like it.
So forgive me if I'm not too concerned about the "institution of marriage" getting any worse.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:44 Post subject:
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Yes, I'd have to agree with you on that one... the "institution of marriage" is in pretty sad shape right now.
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Jinu
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:49 Post subject:
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I'm looking forward to gay divorce proceedings. And gay custody battle for their adopted children, etc etc.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:50 Post subject:
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I don't want to bash anyone. Just trying to educate people.
(I say educate because I deal with gay folks on a daily basis. I believe I'm informed enough to speak up. And honestly, out of all the people taking shit on me, how many of you actually know ANYTHING about gay folks personally?)
I know most of you will tell me anything contradictory, but face it....you know very little about gay culture and it makes you uncomfortable.
But if you'd just take the time to get to know folks, you wouldn't be so scared of these changes taking place.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 19:52 Post subject:
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Jinu...
Three words for ya...
GAY DIVORCE COURT!
man, if that isn't going to be entertaining TV, i don't know what is..
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Goraz
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:13 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | MISCONCEPTION: increased disease (STD's and AIDS)
HISPANIC HETERO FEMALES are the fastest growing group contracting HIV/AIDS. Thx census info!
But I will agree with you that anytime you have *2* males in a given equation that contains f*****g, STD's are probably going to rise!
I just don't like the spin you added to it. Like gays are more dirty somehow.
Pank, that's just not true man. You probably don't have a single gay friend, so I feel obligated to clue you in. |
if i'm interpreting this how you think, how would legalizing gay marriage increase STDs / AIDS? Being gay is genetic and possibly hereditary. Getting legally married doesn't influence people to turn gay.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:21 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | My stab at it. Homesexual lifestyle becomes much more commonplace, more and more kids call themselves "bisexual" and promiscuos, increased disease (STD's and AIDS), more out of "wedlock" (whatever that means) kids leading to increased f****d up kids, ie more violence, crime, poverty and chaos.
Gay will become blasse, the next fight will be to legalize pedophillia under the guise of equal rights for children (parents have no right to say who can and can't consent to **** with an adult). It will seem like a "reasonable" argument.
Not right away, all over time
/shrug |
I think that may be the worst thing I've ever read. And the scariest part is that you actually believe it!
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't see society degenerating that far over an issue like this.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:27 Post subject:
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Eh you addressed that to the wrong person Goraz =p megalo was disagreeing with me.
Actually, gays getting married would "in theory" decrease AIDS and STD's among gays because then they would only be having **** with their partner right? =p
No, what I was saying that when gay becomes completed accepted by society (which is really what this is all about anyway), it will have the effect of making **** morals irrelevant (but they almost are anyway), so that there will be large increases in the newer generation identifying as bi-****, and mainly just very ****.
Lots of promiscuity, etc, leads to... STD's and pregnancy ( in the case of hetero ****) not to mention the emotional damage it can do to people.
People do what society says is acceptable. You can already see this in action, following the Brittney and Madonna kiss on MTV, middle schools all over the country reproted a pandemic of 10-13 yr old girls saying they are "bi" and making out with other girls.
As to the gay is genetic argument, geez that's a whole other can of worms.
There can certainly be a genetic component to who turns gay and who doesn't but this is undoubtedly majorly influenced by environmental factors and NO ONE fully understands how it works.
The only 100% genetically hard wired "gays" are those who are truly genetically cross gendered, aka XXY chromosone's aka Lauren (if this is the case for him/her). And they apparently can identify with one **** or the other more strongly and go either way.
The percentage of people born like that is like 1 in 100,000 or maybe even 1 in 1 million. The percentage of gays in the population is about 2%.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:32 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Pankrat wrote: | My stab at it. Homesexual lifestyle becomes much more commonplace, more and more kids call themselves "bisexual" and promiscuos, increased disease (STD's and AIDS), more out of "wedlock" (whatever that means) kids leading to increased f****d up kids, ie more violence, crime, poverty and chaos.
Gay will become blasse, the next fight will be to legalize pedophillia under the guise of equal rights for children (parents have no right to say who can and can't consent to **** with an adult). It will seem like a "reasonable" argument.
Not right away, all over time
/shrug |
I think that may be the worst thing I've ever read. And the scariest part is that you actually believe it!
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't see society degenerating that far over an issue like this. |
Eh, hopefully I'm wrong, just throwing it out there. Think about this though, if you told a person from the 40's or 50's that in 2004 we'd be arguing over gay marriage they'd say you were equally nuts.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:34 Post subject:
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Biological Sciences are actually my strong point, Pank.
Gay folks are not made, they're born. Look at ANY species of animal on Earth, and when you find overcrowding, you find homosexuals. Nature's way of trying to control overpopulation. India has the highest *reported* cases of homosexuality. India also has a very dense population and problems with overcrowding.
Now one might say, "well what about China? they are the most crowded and they don't have ANY gay folks!"
Guess how many guns they use as your salute when you admit to being gay in China?!
Humans are animals. Only thing that seperates us from them is cognitive thought. That's it.
Yet, we think we're just so much more above what the rest of the animal kingdom does, even through humans are helplessly strapped to said kingdom.
Aside from the occasional l*****n telling me she converted after being serverely abused by a male (quite the common occurance), gay folks are born with it.
Ask any and they'll tell you from an EARLY EARLY age that they knew they were different.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:36 Post subject:
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glad to know our institutions of science are now teaching unproven theory as fact.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:39 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | Biological Sciences are actually my strong point, Pank.
Gay folks are not made, they're born. Look at ANY species of animal on Earth, and when you find overcrowding, you find homosexuals. Nature's way of trying to control overpopulation. India has the highest *reported* cases of homosexuality. India also has a very dense population and problems with overcrowding. |
Wait, you proved my point, overpopulation and overcrowding (environmental factors) causes homosexual behavior in animals... same thing happens to humans in prison. **** drive is very powerful.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:41 Post subject:
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dear lord you dolt...
This is a common theory of thought in the scientific community.
You know the one? The one where people prove by fact, things they regurgitate other than by going on faith? Yeah, that community.
This isn't my opinion. heheh.....this is a widely accepted theory based upon scientific fact.
You can take lab rats for example, put them in confined quarters for some generations, and you WILL see homosexual rats.
You're confusing opinion with fact.
And dumbing things down for you is irritating.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:42 Post subject:
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theory is not fact.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:44 Post subject:
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It doesn't take generations (if it does please cite the study), it happens right away. Males are horny and constantly try to f**k anything that moves. Take those rats and put them back in a general population and they will be going after the lady rats... maybe I'm totally offbase, if so prove me wrong.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:49 Post subject:
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sorry i used the word theory.
as a FACT, you can put lab rats or just about any other animal in confined quarters and in a given period of time, you WILL find homosexuals in the mix.
Now unless there's a gay uncle rat in the mix teaching the other rats about fashion, environment is NOT playing a part.
Go look it up if you want. Maybe go out on our own and educate yourself about these things for a change.
I've educated you enough for one day, T. Most people don't learn this much about their world in a week, let alone a day.
I'll let you process this info, should you choose to actually study it, in case you have any REAL desires of learning about the world around you.
Or you can keep spewing hateful statements and really passing yourself off as an ignorant redneck.
By the way, T, you do live in rural america, don't you? Call it a hunch.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/26/04 - 20:55 Post subject:
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actually, it does take generations. I honestly don't remember the ballpark for how long, but this isn't a quick process.
I know you'd like to think people have a choice in this matter, but trust me, they don't.
The rats (since we're using this example already) don't also exhibit hetero behavior. It's one or the other.
Something in their genetic makeup turns on (we now know that many genes work this way) a gene or set of genes (if you know genes, you know there's so goddamned many that identifying one is needle in haystack type stuff) so that they become h**o, and therefore, do not populate an already difficult situation.
Pure natural genius if you ask me. But then again, if nature didn't know what it was doing, we probably wouldn't be here.
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