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Brael
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 Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:14 Post subject: Weird thought I just had.
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People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one.
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motherface
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:16 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
Laws of thermodynamics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictate that you'll never have the same "exact" situation at any two points in time, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Brael
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:20 Post subject:
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Sure you would, get into a parallel universe that has no differences to our own, same situation. At the same point in time, everything will happen the same way nomatter how many times you observe it at a given vantage point simply because the events leading up to it don't change.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:27 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Sure you would, get into a parallel universe that has no differences to our own, same situation. At the same point in time, everything will happen the same way nomatter how many times you observe it at a given vantage point simply because the events leading up to it don't change. |
the parallel universe theory states that the other universe exists because it is in some way different than our own .. and all time exists in a sort of infinite tree diagram of possibilities each being a different universe
what you're talking about is just history within our own universe
brain states are also not always the same .. a person could be in one brain state and do one thing and another and do another thing ..
also due to things like the uncertanty principle .. we cannot know everything that is happening within our brains since they operate at such a small level .. it could be argued that our brains partially exist in a different universe since objects on the quantum level do not obey the laws of this universe (as we know them)
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:30 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion.
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Owyyn
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:32 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Sure you would, get into a parallel universe that has no differences to our own, same situation. At the same point in time, everything will happen the same way nomatter how many times you observe it at a given vantage point simply because the events leading up to it don't change. |
the parallel universe theory states that the other universe exists because it is in some way different than our own .. and all time exists in a sort of infinite tree diagram of possibilities each being a different universe
what you're talking about is just history within our own universe
brain states are also not always the same .. a person could be in one brain state and do one thing and another and do another thing ..
also due to things like the uncertanty principle .. we cannot know everything that is happening within our brains since they operate at such a small level .. it could be argued that our brains partially exist in a different universe since objects on the quantum level do not obey the laws of this universe (as we know them) |
You watch too much scifi.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:32 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Confused wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion. |
not a very good challenge numbnuts
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kemble
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:35 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
You couldn't be more wrong.
First. Not all humans react the same way in the same situation. We are not dice. If Nahu is presented with another man's throbbing c**k he'll suck it. I, on the other hand, will not. Same situation, different outcomes.
Second. Rape isn't a question of free will. Its about consent. The factors contributing to that consent boil down to personal beliefs. Some people believe in fate, others do not. Judge & jury do not decide cases based on personal beliefs (or at least they aren't supposed to).
Third. Scrotum IS a douchebag, but thats cause he euroscum.
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Brael
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:35 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Confused wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion. |
Challenge it on what basis? Do you deny that you f****d your wife? In the same circumstance if you were there again and had everything in the exact same situation do you deny that you would have done it again? Would the same things have gone through your head? The answer is yes, the reason is because all circumstances are the same. Free will doesn't exist, just reactions to the enviroment.
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:36 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion. |
not a very good challenge numbnuts |
He offered no evidence of this and it's the premise of his argument. He needs to support it.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:38 Post subject:
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| Owyyn wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Sure you would, get into a parallel universe that has no differences to our own, same situation. At the same point in time, everything will happen the same way nomatter how many times you observe it at a given vantage point simply because the events leading up to it don't change. |
the parallel universe theory states that the other universe exists because it is in some way different than our own .. and all time exists in a sort of infinite tree diagram of possibilities each being a different universe
what you're talking about is just history within our own universe
brain states are also not always the same .. a person could be in one brain state and do one thing and another and do another thing ..
also due to things like the uncertanty principle .. we cannot know everything that is happening within our brains since they operate at such a small level .. it could be argued that our brains partially exist in a different universe since objects on the quantum level do not obey the laws of this universe (as we know them) |
You watch too much scifi. |
i don't really watch or read any scifi .. i dont necessarily believe in the alternate universe theory but if you consider that things on the quantum level work so differently than all other known things within our universe that we cannot fully know them it brings up a lot of possibilities ..
also, did you know that if you are in any sort of motion that (as far as we can see) your time speeds up? it has been proven using some experiments with moving planes and substances with a certain half-life .. they took less time to reach that half-life while in motion .. einstein himself proposed that any object in motion has it's own time sped up, and through these experiments it has if not been proven, been shown true in that certain instance
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Brael
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:38 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| kemble wrote: | | Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
You couldn't be more wrong.
First. Not all humans react the same way in the same situation. We are not dice. If Nahu is presented with another man's throbbing c**k he'll suck it. I, on the other hand, will not. Same situation, different outcomes.
Second. Rape isn't a question of free will. Its about consent. The factors contributing to that consent boil down to personal beliefs. Some people believe in fate, others do not. Judge & jury do not decide cases based on personal beliefs (or at least they aren't supposed to).
Third. Scrotum IS a douchebag, but thats cause he euroscum. |
Nahu would react the same, if you lived your life in the exact same situations Nahu did, conception and all you would suck that c**k.
How can you consent when everythings predetermined? You can want it to not happen but it happens anyways.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:39 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| kemble wrote: | | Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
You couldn't be more wrong.
First. Not all humans react the same way in the same situation. We are not dice. If Nahu is presented with another man's throbbing c**k he'll suck it. I, on the other hand, will not. Same situation, different outcomes.
Second. Rape isn't a question of free will. Its about consent. The factors contributing to that consent boil down to personal beliefs. Some people believe in fate, others do not. Judge & jury do not decide cases based on personal beliefs (or at least they aren't supposed to).
Third. Scrotum IS a douchebag, but thats cause he euroscum. |
i think he means a specific human, not all humans
as in, all humans individually
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:40 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion. |
Challenge it on what basis? Do you deny that you f****d your wife? In the same circumstance if you were there again and had everything in the exact same situation do you deny that you would have done it again? Would the same things have gone through your head? The answer is yes, the reason is because all circumstances are the same. Free will doesn't exist, just reactions to the enviroment. |
Thats an easy one.
No amount of mathematics can explain a woman's logic. It is not a matter of would the man f**k the woman again, its a matter of 'did a butterfly fart at the equator and p**s my wife off 1/2 a second before penetration'.
There is nothing ANYONE can say that would make me believe there is any logic behind a woman's thought process. Occasionally wisdom, yes. Logic? Nope.
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:40 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | | Owyyn wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Sure you would, get into a parallel universe that has no differences to our own, same situation. At the same point in time, everything will happen the same way nomatter how many times you observe it at a given vantage point simply because the events leading up to it don't change. |
the parallel universe theory states that the other universe exists because it is in some way different than our own .. and all time exists in a sort of infinite tree diagram of possibilities each being a different universe
what you're talking about is just history within our own universe
brain states are also not always the same .. a person could be in one brain state and do one thing and another and do another thing ..
also due to things like the uncertanty principle .. we cannot know everything that is happening within our brains since they operate at such a small level .. it could be argued that our brains partially exist in a different universe since objects on the quantum level do not obey the laws of this universe (as we know them) |
You watch too much scifi. |
i don't really watch or read any scifi .. i dont necessarily believe in the alternate universe theory but if you consider that things on the quantum level work so differently than all other known things within our universe that we cannot fully know them it brings up a lot of possibilities ..
also, did you know that if you are in any sort of motion that (as far as we can see) your time speeds up? it has been proven using some experiments with moving planes and substances with a certain half-life .. they took less time to reach that half-life while in motion .. einstein himself proposed that any object in motion has it's own time sped up, and through these experiments it has if not been proven, been shown true in that certain instance |
Slows down when compared to an external object. Inside of the frame where you're moving faster, everything seems normal.
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Brael
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:41 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| shinja mayoke wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation |
I challenge this conclusion. |
Challenge it on what basis? Do you deny that you f****d your wife? In the same circumstance if you were there again and had everything in the exact same situation do you deny that you would have done it again? Would the same things have gone through your head? The answer is yes, the reason is because all circumstances are the same. Free will doesn't exist, just reactions to the enviroment. |
Thats an easy one.
No amount of mathematics can explain a woman's logic. It is not a matter of would the man f**k the woman again, its a matter of 'did a butterfly fart at the equator and p**s my wife off 1/2 a second before penetration'.
There is nothing ANYONE can say that would make me believe there is any logic behind a woman's thought process. Occasionally wisdom, yes. Logic? Nope. |
If it farted before it would fart again, if it didn't then it wouldn't. Randomness doesn't exist, if it did a true RNG would be created.
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Overon
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:41 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | | kemble wrote: | | Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
You couldn't be more wrong.
First. Not all humans react the same way in the same situation. We are not dice. If Nahu is presented with another man's throbbing c**k he'll suck it. I, on the other hand, will not. Same situation, different outcomes.
Second. Rape isn't a question of free will. Its about consent. The factors contributing to that consent boil down to personal beliefs. Some people believe in fate, others do not. Judge & jury do not decide cases based on personal beliefs (or at least they aren't supposed to).
Third. Scrotum IS a douchebag, but thats cause he euroscum. |
Nahu would react the same, if you lived your life in the exact same situations Nahu did, conception and all you would suck that c**k.
How can you consent when everythings predetermined? You can want it to not happen but it happens anyways. |
no? people are innately born differently than other people .. it isn't just life situations .. brain structure is inherently not the same for every human
AKA. you = dumb
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:42 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| motherface wrote: | | Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
Laws of thermodynamics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictate that you'll never have the same "exact" situation at any two points in time, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. |
While this is correct, it's essentially just as disturbing. So instead of being billiard balls that bounce in a totally predictable way when hit with a specific force, we're dice that can fall any way at random.
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| Brael wrote: | | Slows down when compared to an external object. Inside of the frame where you're moving faster, everything seems normal. |
oops i was thinking of it within the other universe
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kemble
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:44 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | | kemble wrote: | | Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
You couldn't be more wrong.
First. Not all humans react the same way in the same situation. We are not dice. If Nahu is presented with another man's throbbing c**k he'll suck it. I, on the other hand, will not. Same situation, different outcomes.
Second. Rape isn't a question of free will. Its about consent. The factors contributing to that consent boil down to personal beliefs. Some people believe in fate, others do not. Judge & jury do not decide cases based on personal beliefs (or at least they aren't supposed to).
Third. Scrotum IS a douchebag, but thats cause he euroscum. |
Nahu would react the same, if you lived your life in the exact same situations Nahu did, conception and all you would suck that c**k.
How can you consent when everythings predetermined? You can want it to not happen but it happens anyways. |
You said all humans react the same way in a given situation. Thats not true.
How can I consent? Consent is an an agreement that is expressed or implied. It has nothing to do with 'fate'.
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has anyone ever noticed that realpoorians only argue questions that cannot be answered?
I think I'll start a morality thread soon.
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Occulis
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In "O'Malley's Bar", Nick Cave's character, after blowing away 20 people, asks:
"If I have no free will then how can I be morally comparable?"
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:50 Post subject: Re: Weird thought I just had.
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| Brael wrote: | People and well all living beings will behave the same way every time in the exact same situation, just like a die will always come up the same when held the same way and thrown on the same surface with the same conditions and the same force. What this means is that everything is pre determined, there is no randomness, there is no free will, and everything is basically fate. You do something because the events around you condition your brain to behave a certain way. So applying this revelation to a real life situation, all **** is rape. That last person you f****d, they had no free will, it was pre determined, they didn't choose to have **** with you, they were forced by the laws in the universe.
This also means Scrotum is a douchebag because the universe determined he would be one. |
The Stock Market, Sports Books, dice, and card games are enough to prove this isn't true.
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| Occulis wrote: | In "O'Malley's Bar", Nick Cave's character, after blowing away 20 people, asks:
"If I have no free will then how can I be morally comparable?" |
get the right jury and he's innocent!
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So our entire universe could be a speck under the fingernail of some giant being!
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:57 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | In "O'Malley's Bar", Nick Cave's character, after blowing away 20 people, asks:
"If I have no free will then how can I be morally comparable?" |
Did you mean capable? Or culpable? MAKES NO SENSE
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 16:59 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | So our entire universe could be a speck under the fingernail of some giant being! |
no, not really
the laws in a universe incredibly larger than ours are most probably so incredibly different that there couldn't exist something like a "speck" or a "fingernail" or perhaps even matter
that is assuming that things on the quantum level exist in a different universe than our own, and outside our universe is again another universe that obeys different rules
which is in itself a very large assumption
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'Morally comparable' can be used in a sentence like:
"David is morally comparable to his older brother, even though they grew up in different times."
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Posted: 07/15/05 - 17:07 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | So our entire universe could be a speck under the fingernail of some giant being! |
no, not really
the laws in a universe incredibly larger than ours are most probably so incredibly different that there couldn't exist something like a "speck" or a "fingernail" or perhaps even matter
that is assuming that things on the quantum level exist in a different universe than our own, and outside our universe is again another universe that obeys different rules
which is in itself a very large assumption |
You having any idea of what you're talking about is a very large assumption.
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