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Luke Warm
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 Posted: 10/16/04 - 08:47 Post subject: We will pay for Kerry being president
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John F. Kerry is one of the richest Senators in Government. If elected President he will be the second richest President ever....second only to George Washington. J.F. Kennedy would follow as the third richest. When someone is elected president, it means the Secret Service has to protect the President and his family as well as his property.
The Kerry's have five US properties not counting the several foreign properties they also own . The annual costs to run these homes are more than what the average American earns, even if the rent was free, and all you had to pay for was the water, gas & electric, grounds keepers, maintenance, pool, and house keepers. If Kerry were to be elected President the taxpayers would be required to pay for all that . Another cost to the taxpayers would be a security staff 24 hours a day to survey the perimeters and to protect the properties. In addition to that we will have to pay for security improvements for each of their homes even if they never go to them all. This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us.
Another major cost to American taxpayers is the protection for all their properties with Secret Service agents. This requires 5 agents per 6 hour shift......that means they shift 4 times a day, 365 days of the year . This will go on for the rest of their lives so long as they own those properties. The taxpayers are required to pay for all this as well as his annual salary and his retirements.
Five properties need to be protected. This means five Secret Service Agents per six hour shift, daily . Four times a day a new shift of five agents goes on duty. That is 20 Secret Service Agents per day per property including Holidays, etc. Holiday pay is probably double.
Assume that each secret service agent earns about $90K on average. Five properties...... so far, at 20 agents per property means 100 agents per day or $9,000,0000 per year just for their salaries . That is if the Kerrys don't buy any more properties. Of course, if they buy more properties they will also be included. We would also have to provide the Agents with vehicles and cover the costs of repairs, gas, etc. We would have to pay for their meals, days off, paid vacations, and medical insurance coverage for each.
How on earth would Kerry pay for everyone to have Healthcare, two chickens in every pot and have us pay to protect his investments, all without raising our taxes?
It makes you wonder why anyone with his wealth, would take a salary of that of a U.S. Senator, or of a President?
Please pass the Mustard and if it is Heinz, check the label.....it was probably made in Mexico. I say keep Bush in the White House and let Kerry pay for his own houses.
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Buckshot
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:40 Post subject:
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d*****t
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:45 Post subject:
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How is he a d*****t? Kerry would be a costly president.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:56 Post subject:
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This is an excellent point. We should vote for my cousin for president. He doesn't have a job, doesn't own shit. He'd be really cheap to protect.
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median
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:00 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | This is an excellent point. We should vote for my cousin for president. He doesn't have a job, doesn't own shit. He'd be really cheap to protect. |
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quotison
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:03 Post subject:
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George W. Bush is the 10th richest president.- see http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/14/cx_da_0214pres.html
Why would he want to be president? He's obviously not doing it for the salary either.
Looking at the top 10 list, I see names like George Washington, both Roosevelts and JFK. I don't know about you, but I'm glad those men were president, even if they were rich.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:05 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | George W. Bush is the 10th richest president.- see http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/14/cx_da_0214pres.html
Why would he want to be president? He's obviously not doing it for the salary either.
Looking at the top 10 list, I see names like George Washington, both Roosevelts and JFK. I don't know about you, but I'm glad those men were president, even if they were rich. |
I don't really care if he's rich I just make fun of it because he gets the big $$ from Mr. Theresa Kerry.
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:13 Post subject:
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Kerry = kept b***h. :/
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:50 Post subject:
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Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:07 Post subject:
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I thought Kerry's little quip about "marrying up" in the debate was rather funny.
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themy
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law
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shinja mayoke
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:50 Post subject: ..
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Dont forget the dental bill to pay for those teeth.
That guy could eat an apple thru a picket fence.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:51 Post subject: Re: ..
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| shinja mayoke wrote: | Dont forget the dental bill to pay for those teeth.
That guy could eat an apple thru a picket fence. |
And eventually he will need another round of botox injections.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:51 Post subject:
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| themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well?
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:54 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. 
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:57 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. |
I hardly think Teresa Heinz-Kerry qualifies as "liberal".
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:59 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. |
I hardly think Teresa Heinz-Kerry qualifies as "liberal". |
I'm just saying sKerry did a good job at gold digging but made a bad choice for a possible first lady of a liberal president.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 15:00 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. |
I hardly think Teresa Heinz-Kerry qualifies as "liberal". |
I'm just saying sKerry did a good job at gold digging but made a bad choice for a possible first lady of a liberal president. |
I'm sure that was the first thing on his mind when he married her 
Edit - Cause her tits are SMOKIN'
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. |
I hardly think Teresa Heinz-Kerry qualifies as "liberal". |
I'm just saying sKerry did a good job at gold digging but made a bad choice for a possible first lady of a liberal president. |
I'm sure that was the first thing on his mind when he married her
Edit - Cause her tits are SMOKIN' |
Dude, Theresa is a dog. Now Mrs. Bush is a looker. 
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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Do you guys realize 90 million dollars in taxes is NOTHING?...
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Please. You're counting his billionaire wife as Kerry's wealth. |
obviously someone here doesn't know shit about "community property" law |
He and his wife have quite a few "split value" pieces of wealth that she probably paid the majority of. Notably, a few paintings worth over 250k, etc. Are they counting these as well? |
$250,000 painting..she could have helped the poor.
What a bad wife for a liberal. |
I hardly think Teresa Heinz-Kerry qualifies as "liberal". |
I'm just saying sKerry did a good job at gold digging but made a bad choice for a possible first lady of a liberal president. |
What's the difference between "gold-digging" and being born with a silver spoon like GWB? Let's not pretend that these men aren't rich, because they both are.
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Brael
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 17:19 Post subject:
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Not to get off the topic of Kerry bashing since it's so much fun but, how much did we pay for Reagan, how much do we pay for Carter? How about Clinton?
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 14:50 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Not to get off the topic of Kerry bashing since it's so much fun but, how much did we pay for Reagan, how much do we pay for Carter? How about Clinton? |
Fair question and i dont feel off topic really,
ok well i was going to give you a breakdown but it's to much of a pita to format it so it's actually user friendly visually.. so here are just totals
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GSA Allowances for Former Presidents, FY 2005
Ford -- $539k
Carter -- $505k
Reagan(.7.) -- 545k
Bush -- 713k
Clinton (.8.) -- 1105k (yeah 1.1 mil)
Source: General Services Administration, May 5, 2004.
7 President Reagan passed away on June 5, 2004.
8 This FY2005 pension request anticipates the annual increase in Executive Level I rate of pay.
According to GSA, the additional $7,000 requested for former President Clinton is for health benefits insurance.
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Nobunaga
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 15:11 Post subject:
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I would be more concerned as a taxpayer on how many billions we will end up spending on Iraq than the mere pittance we end up paying our Presidents for necessary security details. And it's highly doubtful that the Kerry's would stay in more than 2 of this properties during his tenure as President because of the fact that most of his properties are overseas which would make it an a logistical nightmare for security and unpopular if he made more than a token visit.
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Desaitar
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 15:12 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Do you guys realize 90 million dollars in taxes is NOTHING?... |
uh, no.
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Brael
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 15:35 Post subject:
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Thats for after the term is up Nobu, not while hes still president.
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Brash
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 16:06 Post subject:
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omg all the the above would cost us each a fraction of a cent each . this is really streaching for a reason to vote for bush ...
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SkilledShaman
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 16:56 Post subject:
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Teresa 'Heinz' Kerry is said to have donated over 4 million dollars to charity.
Do you realise, although Kerry has more buck to his name, the difference in spending, over Bush, of the American people is nearly nothing..
What a stupid excuse to vote for Bush. 
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SkilledShaman
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
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^ i like Brashes reply, it's mine in a nutshell
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Brael
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 19:07 Post subject:
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It's not a reason to vote for Bush, it's just interesting to compare.
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