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khrath
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 Posted: 05/18/04 - 07:01 Post subject: We need to be able to deport f*****s like this
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3722769.stm
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Controversial documentary-maker Michael Moore's intensely political new film, Fahrenheit 9/11, was screened for the world's media at the Cannes Film Festival on Monday.
Disney has refused to release this film, other distributors also seem reluctant and - if Moore is to be believed - the White House wants to stop it being seen.
The reason is if viewers take the film at face value, they will think George Bush is a fraudulent and possibly corrupt president who went to war in Iraq because of a half-baked motivation of grudge, greed and thirst for power.
But this is a Michael Moore film and, while that does not mean he is wrong, it must be watched with a critical eye.
Moore wants Bush removed from office.
He is determined to have this film released before the US presidential election in November for that very reason.
Chilling
The film's conclusions are reached through a mixture of firm evidence, interesting information, moving scenes and tenuous theories.
Starting with the presidential election in 2000, it firmly plants the idea that Bush's election - thanks to just 537 votes in Florida - was not exactly free and fair.
The first conspiratorial link comes when he identifies the Fox News Channel employee who took the decision to report that Bush had won Florida on election night - when all other channels were reporting an Al Gore win - as Bush's first cousin.
If true, it is an interesting piece of trivia - but hardly proof of a family plot to steal the presidency.
He introduces 11 September with a blank screen and chilling audio of planes hitting the Twin Towers and the cries of those on the ground.
Moore also has footage of Bush sitting in a school classroom, reading a children's book with pupils, for more than 10 minutes after being told the second plane had hit.
The film-maker said this full footage had not been seen before because no-one had asked the teachers at the school whether they had captured it on camcorder.
One of Moore's chief accusations is Bush allowed planes to pick up 24 members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the US in the days following the attacks - when all other aircraft were grounded.
To back this up, he shows a document that seems to list them - and uses it as a base from which to explore the relationships between the Bush and Bin Laden dynasties.
'Little proof'
They go back to Bush's military days, Moore says - and produces military records apparently showing the future president was in the Texas Air National Guard with a man who it says went on to sell a plane to one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.
When Bush was trying to make his way as a Texan oil magnate, this same man was hired by the Bin Ladens to invest their money in Texas, and he in turn invested money in Bush's company, the film says.
Moore asserts that prominent Saudis invested in Bush's ailing companies to get access to his father, the former US president. But aside from the original military records, there is little proof to firm up links Moore goes on to make.
The result is the oil and arms companies the Saudis invested in, and the Bush family and their inner circle have interests in, profited from the aftermath of 11 September, Moore says.
Using a clip of former US head of counter-terrorism Richard Clarke talking about how Bush immediately wanted to find an Iraq link to the attacks, the film moves on to Afghanistan and Iraq.
The Afghanistan section - including a screen shot of a BBC News Online story - is a claim that the military action in Afghanistan was really about laying a natural gas pipeline across the country.
But the Iraq section is more substantial, and changes the film's direction - using interviews with US soldiers, footage of civilian suffering and highly moving testimony from bereaved parents of US servicemen.
The film shows graphic footage of corpses of US soldiers being burnt, dragged behind a truck and strung up, and a scene of US soldiers apparently mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
Emotional interviews
All the while, persuasive army recruiters are followed as they try to sign up young people in Moore's deprived hometown of Flint, Michigan.
So Moore went to Washington to try to persuade Congressmen to send their children to Iraq - the son of only one Congressman is in service there, Moore says.
Moore himself appears less in this film than he has in his previous documentaries, leaving most of the talking to politicians, soldiers, parents, experts and assorted real Americans.
There is highly selective editing, but the story is not totally one-sided. For example, there are soldiers in Iraq who believe in their mission, as well as those who say they are disillusioned.
But the movie's conclusions - true or otherwise - and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world.
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f*****g worthless mother f****r.
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Paco
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 07:08 Post subject:
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he's a piece of shit to be sure
he should leave on his own if he doesn't like it here, but if he wants to say and gripe..well, i guess he can..since we paid for that freedom with our blood, so f***s like him can flame the country
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Silentstormwing
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 07:24 Post subject:
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Michael Moore redefines the meaning of worshipping stupidity as if it were a virtue.
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Rennol
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 07:53 Post subject:
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Too bad he has just as much a right to say what he wants as you do.
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khrath
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 07:58 Post subject:
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i have just as much right to kick his ass, as he does to defame and slander the president falsely
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Tamena
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 08:24 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Too bad he has just as much a right to say what he wants as you do. |
kinda half agree with Rennol here...
this is one of the perks of being in the USA. Moore has the constitutional right to make this film...and someone else has just as much right to say anything they want against it, or make a film to counter it. As long as Moore isn't threatening anyone and just stating opinions he's not doing anything technically wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but he's protected by law in doing this.
Khrath, I completely understand your feelings on this matter and feel much the same as you do. I think Moore is a useless POS, but threatening him is not a constitutional right...matter of fact it's enough to get ya in trouble if he were to see it and push the issue.
This is where people like him win. He uses his "rights" to say what he wants and p****s people off. They in turn have knee j**k reactions, making Moore look good and getting more people to listen to Moore, maybe even believing everything he says...
it's a vicious circle...
*shrug*
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Paco
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 08:34 Post subject:
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| TamenaEverlost wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Too bad he has just as much a right to say what he wants as you do. |
kinda half agree with Rennol here...
this is one of the perks of being in the USA. Moore has the constitutional right to make this film...and someone else has just as much right to say anything they want against it, or make a film to counter it. As long as Moore isn't threatening anyone and just stating opinions he's not doing anything technically wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but he's protected by law in doing this.
Khrath, I completely understand your feelings on this matter and feel much the same as you do. I think Moore is a useless POS, but threatening him is not a constitutional right...matter of fact it's enough to get ya in trouble if he were to see it and push the issue.
This is where people like him win. He uses his "rights" to say what he wants and p****s people off. They in turn have knee j**k reactions, making Moore look good and getting more people to listen to Moore, maybe even believing everything he says...
it's a vicious circle...
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actually, when he says tings, if he says things in public that will slander someone's character..he can go to jail for it
he's free to say what he wants, but there may be repercussions
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Confused
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 08:50 Post subject:
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| TamenaEverlost wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Too bad he has just as much a right to say what he wants as you do. |
kinda half agree with Rennol here...
this is one of the perks of being in the USA. Moore has the constitutional right to make this film...and someone else has just as much right to say anything they want against it, or make a film to counter it. As long as Moore isn't threatening anyone and just stating opinions he's not doing anything technically wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but he's protected by law in doing this.
Khrath, I completely understand your feelings on this matter and feel much the same as you do. I think Moore is a useless POS, but threatening him is not a constitutional right...matter of fact it's enough to get ya in trouble if he were to see it and push the issue.
This is where people like him win. He uses his "rights" to say what he wants and p****s people off. They in turn have knee j**k reactions, making Moore look good and getting more people to listen to Moore, maybe even believing everything he says...
it's a vicious circle...
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I also agree that he has every right to make such a film. It may be grossly innacurate (many of those he has interviewed claim editing changed the content and tone of his interviews). He may be grossly innappropriate. He may be an ass. He may be anti-american. He may be ignorant. He may have been too unintelligent to complete a semester of college. He may be a liar.
But leftists need somebody to represent their cause.
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Xthos
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 09:02 Post subject:
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This guy is a piece of shit. I refuse to go see any of his stuff, I will not donate my money to someone like him. This also goes for the other actors that have put down the US soldiers and the american people in general. People are free to say what they want, but when people like the Dixie Chics, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins etc... do stupid shit, its our right to not use OUR money to buy/see their stuff. Its funny how they tout freedom of speech, but when people boycot them, its a witch hunt and against their freedoms. Its a two way street, open your mouth like a idiot, prepare to crash.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 12:13 Post subject:
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Bowling for Columbine would have been good without the anti-bush insinuatory remarks in it.
Otherwise f**k this douche.
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Frehya
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 13:07 Post subject:
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I think we should be able to just kill people like this. Or maybe imprison them for life ...and their families too! You know how families get.
Damn people who talk against the government! Dig a big hole and put em all in it!
rawr!
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 15:24 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | TamenaEverlost wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Too bad he has just as much a right to say what he wants as you do. |
kinda half agree with Rennol here...
this is one of the perks of being in the USA. Moore has the constitutional right to make this film...and someone else has just as much right to say anything they want against it, or make a film to counter it. As long as Moore isn't threatening anyone and just stating opinions he's not doing anything technically wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but he's protected by law in doing this.
Khrath, I completely understand your feelings on this matter and feel much the same as you do. I think Moore is a useless POS, but threatening him is not a constitutional right...matter of fact it's enough to get ya in trouble if he were to see it and push the issue.
This is where people like him win. He uses his "rights" to say what he wants and p****s people off. They in turn have knee j**k reactions, making Moore look good and getting more people to listen to Moore, maybe even believing everything he says...
it's a vicious circle...
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I also agree that he has every right to make such a film. It may be grossly innacurate (many of those he has interviewed claim editing changed the content and tone of his interviews). He may be grossly innappropriate. He may be an ass. He may be anti-american. He may be ignorant. He may have been too unintelligent to complete a semester of college. He may be a liar.
But leftists need somebody to represent their cause.
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And coming from you, this most nearly means...
"I need someone to stereotype today...oooo goody, you look mighty fine!"
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 17:25 Post subject:
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| Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire (1694-1778), wrote: | "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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Rennol
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
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Apparently his film got a lot of positive feedback at the Cannes film festival.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 17:36 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Apparently his film got a lot of positive feedback at the Cannes film festival. |
Really? France likes Michael Moore. How can that be??
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 18:17 Post subject:
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Moore believes Bush sucks, you believe in Jesus. What's wrong with representing your beliefs?
If you don't like the film, don't see it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to make it. By the way, I've never seen any of his films, because that's not my thing.
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 18:45 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Moore believes Bush sucks, you believe in Jesus. What's wrong with representing your beliefs?
If you don't like the film, don't see it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to make it. By the way, I've never seen any of his films, because that's not my thing. |
I think people believe that people representing beliefs that don't agree with their own, (which just so happen to be the end all be all, the truth.), are wrong for doing so without finding out the .."REAL" truth. (which also just so happens to be what they believe themselves).
So, you get posts like these on message boards for retired everquest nerds. It's to be expected...
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Posted: 05/18/04 - 20:36 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Apparently his film got a lot of positive feedback at the Cannes film festival. |
That just confirms that the people who go there are the enemy.
No surprise.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 03:37 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Moore believes Bush sucks, you believe in Jesus. What's wrong with representing your beliefs?
If you don't like the film, don't see it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to make it. By the way, I've never seen any of his films, because that's not my thing. |
I never said he couldn't make it. I said he's an ass. I do think it's disingenuous to call his films documentaries, though.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 11:25 Post subject:
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freedom of speech is NOT carte blanche. You also have the responsibility of that speech.
I would like to see moore arrested for treason, tried and executed for aiding and abedding the enemy in a time of war. Plus, he is going out of country because no one in this country thinks this is a responsible movie to even think about releasing. And while moore is bashing bush, where is his critisim for clinton, who had EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to solve bin laden and didnt do squat. Moore is a first class traitor, and should be tried as one.
That goes for Katie Curic, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and the rest of them.
We didnt lose Vietnam because they were kicking our ass, we lost vietnam because of Walter Cronkite going on night after night about how "bad" things were.
If we arent careful, same thing is going to happen here.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 11:32 Post subject:
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| Petr wrote: | freedom of speech is NOT carte blanche. You also have the responsibility of that speech.
I would like to see moore arrested for treason, tried and executed for aiding and abedding the enemy in a time of war. Plus, he is going out of country because no one in this country thinks this is a responsible movie to even think about releasing. And while moore is bashing bush, where is his critisim for clinton, who had EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to solve bin laden and didnt do squat. Moore is a first class traitor, and should be tried as one.
That goes for Katie Curic, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and the rest of them.
We didnt lose Vietnam because they were kicking our ass, we lost vietnam because of Walter Cronkite going on night after night about how "bad" things were.
If we arent careful, same thing is going to happen here. |
You're dangerously insane.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 11:48 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Petr wrote: | freedom of speech is NOT carte blanche. You also have the responsibility of that speech.
I would like to see moore arrested for treason, tried and executed for aiding and abedding the enemy in a time of war. Plus, he is going out of country because no one in this country thinks this is a responsible movie to even think about releasing. And while moore is bashing bush, where is his critisim for clinton, who had EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to solve bin laden and didnt do squat. Moore is a first class traitor, and should be tried as one.
That goes for Katie Curic, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings and the rest of them.
We didnt lose Vietnam because they were kicking our ass, we lost vietnam because of Walter Cronkite going on night after night about how "bad" things were.
If we arent careful, same thing is going to happen here. |
You're dangerously insane. |
You are a a stupid, liberal c**t.
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The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 12:05 Post subject:
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| Jinu wrote: | | The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will. |
Replace "movie" with "war" and, well, you've got your President's strategy in a nutshell.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Jinu wrote: | | The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will. |
Replace "movie" with "war" and, well, you've got your President's strategy in a nutshell. |
There's a difference between an elected official and a fat ass d*****t from backwater Michigan with his protectionist, car assembly ideals making movies. You can vote out the elected official.
Well, not you of course, because you matter not at all, but then what Canadian ever does?
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Jinu wrote: | | The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will. |
Replace "movie" with "war" and, well, you've got your President's strategy in a nutshell. |
Oversimplification doesn't make you smart and you certainly don't sound right... which you aren't.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Jinu wrote: | | The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will. |
Replace "movie" with "war" and, well, you've got your President's strategy in a nutshell. |
We are fighting this war to try and kill people who want to kill us. We invaded Iraq because
a) it needed to be done
b) Iraq democracy or something closely resembling a free society will destabalize the other Terrorist Regimes.
c) Because we have a right to defend ourselves, and sometimes that means taking the first swing.
What, you dont think Saddam didnt need to be removed? You think the Iraqi people were better off with him in power?
The bottom line is this, you can sit outside and look in, because no matter how much time you have spent in country, the bottom line is, its America that was and is under attack from terrorists, not canada.
Plus, there is NO policy, other then converting to a Taliban style govt that will stop terrorists from hating america. They hate freedom, (just look at how women are treated in those countries) You can not, with a straight face, tell me that their societies are just as moral as ours, or as canadas. They are evil, and need to be dealt with... and since no one else has the balls to do it (plus, they didnt attack you, they attack us) its left up to the US to kill them all.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 12:18 Post subject:
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| Petr wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Jinu wrote: | | The most f****d up thing isn't that he made this movie. It's that he wants to use it as a political tool to force voters to his will. |
Replace "movie" with "war" and, well, you've got your President's strategy in a nutshell. |
We are fighting this war to try and kill people who want to kill us. We invaded Iraq because
a) it needed to be done
b) Iraq democracy or something closely resembling a free society will destabalize the other Terrorist Regimes.
c) Because we have a right to defend ourselves, and sometimes that means taking the first swing.
What, you dont think Saddam didnt need to be removed? You think the Iraqi people were better off with him in power?
The bottom line is this, you can sit outside and look in, because no matter how much time you have spent in country, the bottom line is, its America that was and is under attack from terrorists, not canada.
Plus, there is NO policy, other then converting to a Taliban style govt that will stop terrorists from hating america. They hate freedom, (just look at how women are treated in those countries) You can not, with a straight face, tell me that their societies are just as moral as ours, or as canadas. They are evil, and need to be dealt with... and since no one else has the balls to do it (plus, they didnt attack you, they attack us) its left up to the US to kill them all. |
He is an ultraliberal, socialist canadian, scumbag. Don't try to explain things to him, hes too dense to understand.
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 21:29 Post subject:
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| Petr wrote: | freedom of speech is NOT carte blanche. You also have the responsibility of that speech.
I would like to see moore arrested for treason, tried and executed for aiding and abedding the enemy in a time of war. |
Wow. Let's just calm down. I understand that this man infuriates you, but that doesn't mean he should be executed.
| Quote: | We didnt lose Vietnam because they were kicking our ass, we lost vietnam because of Walter Cronkite going on night after night about how "bad" things were.
If we arent careful, same thing is going to happen here. |
Things weren't exactly good, either, were they? How much longer do you think we needed to be in Vietnam before we "won"?
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Posted: 05/19/04 - 21:46 Post subject:
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| Ikkan wrote: | Bowling for Columbine would have been good without the anti-bush insinuatory remarks in it.
Otherwise f**k this douche. |
and that its completely one-sided.
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