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Kenbin
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 Posted: 01/03/04 - 13:32 Post subject: Way to go, Crocodile Hunter!
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MELBOURNE, Australia (Reuters) - Celebrity crocodile hunter Steve Irwin triggered outrage when he held his 1-month-old baby while feeding a snapping crocodile during a show at his Australian zoo.
In a show for the public and the media Friday, Irwin held his son in one arm while feeding a dead chicken to a large, lunging crocodile then put the baby on the ground and helped him walk toward the reptile's pond.
Seven television network was inundated with calls after the incident was aired. Protests were lodged on a government families crisis line and with police.
Irwin also received a warning from child-care authorities.
"He's one month old, so it's about time Bob got out there and did his first croc demo," the typically exuberant, khaki-clad Irwin told the crowd at his zoo in Australia's Queensland state.
The Seven network said it had been flooded with calls about the incident, which revived memories of pop star Michael Jackson (news) dangling his baby from the balcony of a Berlin hotel in November 2002.
"The phones ran hot, pretty much universally in outrage at what he had done," Seven news producer Dave Salmon told Reuters.
Irwin, supported at a media conference by his father Bob, wife Terri and 5-year-old daughter Bindi, told reporters he had been a safe working distance from the crocodile and that it was important to teach his children crocodile awareness.
"It is all about perceived danger. In front of that crocodile I was in complete control. Absolute and complete control. That is my profession," he said.
"I would be considered a bad parent if I didn't teach my children to be crocodile savvy because they live here, they live in crocodile territory."
Irwin's television show, "The Crocodile Hunter," has achieved international success. He starred in the 2002 movie "The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course."
Queensland Acting Premier Terry Mackenroth said a government office for child welfare had spoken to the Irwin family to ensure there would be no repeat performance.
"I think that any parent looking at that would think that it is not the smartest thing to do with a one-month, or a year-old or even a five-year-old child, to take them inside a crocodile pen," Mackenroth told reporters.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20040103/en_nm/australia_crocodile_dc
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median
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 13:38 Post subject:
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ahaha he should have fed the baby to the crocidile
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Mental_Hernia
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 13:41 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | ...and that it was important to teach his children crocodile awareness. |
hah
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Zwadrich
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 14:42 Post subject:
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its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem?
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Tura
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 15:31 Post subject:
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Yeah, no harm, no foul I say.
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atarom
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 15:36 Post subject:
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here little croccy, want the baby? *SNAP SNAP*
oops! too slow, haha, you lose croccy *SNAP SNAP*
haha you scaly buggah. come and eat my baby!
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sinrakin
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 15:39 Post subject:
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There's nothing the middle classes love better than being outraged at someone for doing something sufficiently simple and unusual that they can disapprove of it without feeling confused.
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Zwadrich
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 15:58 Post subject:
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ya i mean, this dude obviously knows his shit while being around crocs
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hitachi
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 16:01 Post subject:
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not to mention that in the picture they show the baby is as far away from the crocodile as it can be while still in his arms.
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Kenbin
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 16:24 Post subject:
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Yea, I thought the same thing..I just thought it was a funny story, considering the whole Micheal Jackson thing.
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Sutto
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 16:24 Post subject:
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he sets the baby down by the water and croc in the video they played on the news, but he knows what he's doing, its all in good fun.
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hitachi
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:01 Post subject:
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| Sutto wrote: | | he sets the baby down by the water and croc in the video they played on the news, but he knows what he's doing, its all in good fun. |
ITS ALL IN GOOD FUN UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES AN EYE!11
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:26 Post subject:
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| Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now.
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Kaladam
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:34 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k!
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:41 Post subject:
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| Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k! |
Woah woah calm down f****r.
I didn't know he had a second child.
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hitachi
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:52 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k! |
Woah woah calm down f****r.
I didn't know he had a second child. |
maybe you should have read the f*****g article before posting? maybe you would have noticed where it clearly said he held his 1 month year old son near the crocodile, and that he also had a 5 year old daughter.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 17:52 Post subject:
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| hitachi wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k! |
Woah woah calm down f****r.
I didn't know he had a second child. |
maybe you should have read the f*****g article before posting? maybe you would have noticed where it clearly said he held his 1 month year old son near the crocodile, and that he also had a 5 year old daughter. |
Maybe you should go f**k your self you worthless g**k.
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Kaladam
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 18:05 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | hitachi wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k! |
Woah woah calm down f****r.
I didn't know he had a second child. |
maybe you should have read the f*****g article before posting? maybe you would have noticed where it clearly said he held his 1 month year old son near the crocodile, and that he also had a 5 year old daughter. |
Maybe you should go f**k your self you worthless g**k. |
Maybe you should take the hint that nobody on this board likes you. End yourself.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 18:15 Post subject:
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| Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | hitachi wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Kaladam wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | Zwadrich wrote: | | its thats his profession, and he's very good at it, i dont see the damn problem? |
I don't either. This is also like 3 years old sirs. His child is like 4 years old now. |
Thats his first child you tard muffin. This outrage is over his second child. Way to act like a smart ass you f*****g p***k! |
Woah woah calm down f****r.
I didn't know he had a second child. |
maybe you should have read the f*****g article before posting? maybe you would have noticed where it clearly said he held his 1 month year old son near the crocodile, and that he also had a 5 year old daughter. |
Maybe you should go f**k your self you worthless g**k. |
Maybe you should take the hint that nobody on this board likes you. End yourself. |
I just may with the s****y insults you f***s have.
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Banzai
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 18:59 Post subject:
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Now it would be a real story if he got his left and right mixed up and tossed down the baby as he craddled the warm supple chicken.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 19:21 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | There's nothing the middle classes love better than being outraged at someone for doing something sufficiently simple and unusual that they can disapprove of it without feeling confused. |
Well spoken.
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Goraz
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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I'm going to bring a rabid croc to the crocidile hunter and see how he handles that thing since hes Dr. f*****g Dolittle with reptiles.
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hitachi
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Posted: 01/03/04 - 19:55 Post subject:
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| Goraz wrote: | | I'm going to bring a rabid croc to the crocidile hunter and see how he handles that thing since hes Dr. f*****g Dolittle with reptiles. |
yea, what you said would be still be pretty f*****g dumb even if reptiles could get rabies.
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 02:10 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | There's nothing the middle classes love better than being outraged at someone for doing something sufficiently simple and unusual that they can disapprove of it without feeling confused. |
He was wrong.
Case closed.
The croc could have continued on to him and the baby, and there would have been nothing that could have stopped it. He can claim he knows this and that about reptiles and crocs but that all means nothing. The croc, if it wanted to, could have grabbed him and pulled him into the water, easly.
His job as a parent is to protect the child, not to use him as a prop while feeding a wild, 1000lb predator for a TV show.
I always though the guy was an idiot. This confirms it.
Only people who after seeing this, refer to the stunt as "sufficiently simple and unusual" instead of "outrageously fool hardy and dangerous" are confused.
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 02:17 Post subject:
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Steve Irwin owns, i don't care what you say.
Hes been around these animals since he was a baby too.
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TASB
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What about all the parents that expose their infants to their pet dogs in the same way. The dog could attack the baby if it wanted to and there have been many, many reported cases of pet dogs mauling children. The dog owners may say they know the dog, but infact they only know their dog when it is behaving. Steve Irwin knows crocadiles completly. He knows how to read them and he knows exactly how to avoid them when they do become agressive. This isn't a case of being naieve about one pet that according to the owner would never harm a fly.
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 03:34 Post subject:
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| TASB wrote: | | What about all the parents that expose their infants to their pet dogs in the same way. The dog could attack the baby if it wanted to and there have been many, many reported cases of pet dogs mauling children. The dog owners may say they know the dog, but infact they only know their dog when it is behaving. Steve Irwin knows crocadiles completly. He knows how to read them and he knows exactly how to avoid them when they do become agressive. This isn't a case of being naieve about one pet that according to the owner would never harm a fly. |
Dogs are domesticated animals. And have been for thousands of years.
They are not wild, unpredictable 1000 lb reptile predators at the top of the food chain.
Irwin knows nothing about what that reptile will do on a second by second basis. He just takes educated guesses. Guesses that can go wrong, because he is dealing with an unpredictable WILD animal, not a dog.
Just that fact that he makes a living risking death and dismemberment by dealing with these animals proves that.
This is his whole act, avoiding death and disfigurement.
He could never make a living avoiding death and disfigurement by feeding your random pet dog.
You might like his act and you might think he is just the greatest but the attempt to put a pet dog and a croc on similar footing is assinine.
He used his son as a prop.
He was way wrong.
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 03:55 Post subject:
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| hitachi wrote: | | Sutto wrote: | | he sets the baby down by the water and croc in the video they played on the news, but he knows what he's doing, its all in good fun. |
ITS ALL IN GOOD FUN UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES AN EYE!11 |
then its hilarious
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TASB
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 03:55 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | TASB wrote: | | What about all the parents that expose their infants to their pet dogs in the same way. The dog could attack the baby if it wanted to and there have been many, many reported cases of pet dogs mauling children. The dog owners may say they know the dog, but infact they only know their dog when it is behaving. Steve Irwin knows crocadiles completly. He knows how to read them and he knows exactly how to avoid them when they do become agressive. This isn't a case of being naieve about one pet that according to the owner would never harm a fly. |
Dogs are domesticated animals. And have been for thousands of years.
They are not wild, unpredictable 1000 lb reptile predators at the top of the food chain.
Irwin knows nothing about what that reptile will do on a second by second basis. He just takes educated guesses. Guesses that can go wrong, because he is dealing with an unpredictable WILD animal, not a dog.
Just that fact that he makes a living risking death and dismemberment by dealing with these animals proves that.
This is his whole act, avoiding death and disfigurement.
He could never make a living avoiding death and disfigurement by feeding your random pet dog.
You might like his act and you might think he is just the greatest but the attempt to put a pet dog and a croc on similar footing is assinine.
He used his son as a prop.
He was way wrong. |
Just because an animal is domesticated doesn't mean you can predict exactly what it will do. Some breeds of dog are also far more aggressive than others. You cannot deny that there have been many dog attacks on babies and children. Many, not all, dog owners live under the false sence of security that their pet will act as it always has. The fact is that the dog knows it's owner is the boss, but the child in many cases is seen by the dog as another animal to be challenged to fit into the pecking order.
Steve Irwin's show is not all he is about, it is something he does on top of his main work. He spends a lot of time going around the world and dealing with crocodile problems. For instance a few months back a village (I'm not sure where) had a problem with a very aggressive croc which had made the surrounding area it's territory. They couldn't deal with it so called Steve Irwin and his crew in to relocate the croc. What I am trying to get across is that he has a very strong understanding of how crocodiles behave in captivity and in the wild, placid and aggressive.
That croc that he had his infant around was a croc in a captive environment that is used to being fed at specific times. I can assure you that if it had started showing any signs of changing behavior that he would have taken the baby out right away.
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Posted: 01/04/04 - 04:28 Post subject:
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| TASB wrote: | What I am trying to get across is that he has a very strong understanding of how crocodiles behave in captivity and in the wild, placid and aggressive.
That croc that he had his infant around was a croc in a captive environment that is used to being fed at specific times. I can assure you that if it had started showing any signs of changing behavior that he would have taken the baby out right away. |
I'm not going to debate with you, thats its possible for a dog to bite a human.
We all know that can happen. You are just proving my point by telling me about grumpy dogs that nibble on people.
Or rip their throats out.
Taking your logic and applying it to a wild (he may be fat and lazy, but never tame), 1000lb crocodile, the largest land predator on earth. There was even MORE chance that something would go wrong. And the croc can move faster, if it wanted, than Irwin could have reacted. So if the croc wanted, he could have killed him in one bite. The croc, I hope you will agree, could do much more damage than fido. On top of this all, you are leaving out human fallibility. What if he made a mistake, or slipped and fell on wet grass?
He used his child as a prop in a dangerous stunt.
He was wrong.
I am right.
(I'm bored waiting for more NASA photos, normally by now, I would have called you and Idiot and dismissed you)
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