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Docter
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Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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 Posted: 09/06/04 - 11:57 Post subject: Wanting to build a new system...
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This is a list I've complied so far, any suggestions or comments?
A-Top Z-Alien Black Aluminum PC Gamer Case With 500W PSU & Side window, Model "AT959-BK" -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-105-107&DEPA=1
Model# AT959-BK
Item # N82E16811105107
Specifications:
Case Type: Mid Tower Case
Color: Black
Material: Aluminum
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 4/0, 3.5" x 2/5 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 4 x USB2.0, 2 x audio, 1 x IEEE1394
Power Supply: 500W
Cooling System: 1 x 80mm front Blue LED fan, 1 x 120mm rear Blue LED fan
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX (12" x 10")
Dimensions: 18.8" x 8.3" x 22.5"(HxWxD)
Features: Front panel with digital temperature display, Three case fans that lights up a bright blue LED
$95.99
GIGABYTE "GA-K8VT800" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-226&depa=1
Model# GA-K8VT800
Item # N82E16813128226
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: VIA K8T800 + VT8237
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,2xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC658 6-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Realtek 8110C Ethernet Controller
Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, SATA RAID, RAID 0/1
Form Factor: ATX
$88.00
AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-426&depa=1
Model# ADA3400BOX
Item # N82E16819103426
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Core: ClawHammer
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated into chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)
$375.00
Albatron nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "6800GT" -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-170-057&depa=1
Model# 6800GT
Item # N82E16814170057
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT/350MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/1000MHz
BUS: AGP 4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out (S-Video/Composite) + DVI
Support 3D API: DirectX 9, OpenGL 1.5
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable (150cm), Composite Cable, SV to AV Cable, Manual, Driver CD, Game
Retail Box (See pics for details)
$399.00
Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM Drive Only
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-160&depa=1
Model# WD740GD
Item # N82E16822144160
Specifications:
Capacity: 74GB
Average Seek Time: 4.5 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 10000 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: High Performance SATA Interface
Manufacturer Warranty: 5 years
Packaging: OEM Drive Only
Price: $178.49
Mail-In Rebate: -$25.00
Final Price: $153.49
Transcend 184-Pin 1GB DDR PC-3200, Model TS128MLD64V4J - Retail(2)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-208-125&depa=1
Model# TS128MLD64V4J
Item # N82E16820208125
Specifications:
Manufacturer: Transcend
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3-3-3
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 128M x 64-Bit
Warranty: Lifetime
$206.00
Sony 8X DVD+/-RW Drive, Model DWU18A Black Bazel w/ Software - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-131-226&depa=1
Model# DWU18A BLACK BAZEL
Item # N82E16827131226
Specifications:
Write Speed: 40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW, 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD-R, 2X DVD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM/CD-R, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: Internal IDE/ATAPI
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/ME/2000/98SE
Features: Buffer Underrun Protection Technology
Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details)
$69.00
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350" -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-102-171&depa=1
Model# 70SB035000013
Item # N82E16829102171
Specifications:
Channels: 7.1
Max Sampling Rate: 192kHz
Signal-Noise Ratio: 108dB(SNR)
Hardware Decode: Dolby Digital EX, DTS-EX
Digital Audio: 24-bit
PC Interface: PCI
Connectors: Line-In/Out, Firewire(IEEE1394), Mic-In, MIDI, Analog/Digital CD Audio in(See Details)
External Box: N/A
Remote Control: N/A
Special Features: DVD-Audio, THX Certified, EAX Advanced HD
Price: $113.00
Mail-In Rebate:
-$30.00
Final Price: $83.00
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Luturb
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 12:15 Post subject:
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Why not get a PCI Express video card/motherboard? I don't know how much difference it will make, but that seems to be the way things are going and buying a new AGP board now might make it hard to upgrade in the future.
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pyrgomache
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 12:28 Post subject:
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i had an omelette for brunch
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Meeatsu
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 12:31 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | Why not get a PCI Express video card/motherboard? I don't know how much difference it will make, but that seems to be the way things are going and buying a new AGP board now might make it hard to upgrade in the future. |
a) There are no retail PCIe motherboards for A64 yet. They won't be out till late 2004 or early 2005 at the earliest.
b) There are no "good" PCIe video cards avialable to buy atm. Only thing out atm that you can buy off storeshelves and online retailers are last generation cards (such as the Nvidia PCX-5900 (which is a normal fx5900 in PCIe flavor) or the ATi x600 (which is a Radeon 9600XT in PCIe flavor).
Your setup looks great Doc. I'd personally rather go with a Nforce 3 250 chipset motherboard, but your choice is still great.
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Yabden
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 16:31 Post subject:
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I agree with the ncforce3 250 mobo. other than that though it looks good, also really expensive.
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Meeatsu
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 17:10 Post subject:
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Another reason why I'd go with the Nforce motherboard is the onboard sound. Nvidia puts some really good APU's (audio proccessing unit) on their motherboards. The previous generations SoundStorm API was incredible and it gave Creative SB Audigy trash a run for its money. The newer generation (Nforce3 250 and soon Nforce4) have incredible sound systems aswell.. and you'd be saving some cash cause you wouldn't need to buy a s****y Creative soundcard. Could use that extra 80 bucks you'd be saving and buy a 6800 Ultra instead or some high speed OCZ ram.
Or hell go for a socket939 motherboard and a Amd64 3500+ 
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Docter
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 17:34 Post subject:
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Thank you all for the advice, much appreciated. 
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Nictathan
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 17:54 Post subject:
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Your Virtual Penis has grown longer (3)
Seriously though, kick ass system...
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Docter
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 17:59 Post subject:
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Yeah, will have to buy it in pieces over the next three months. 
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Nictathan
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 18:00 Post subject:
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Just went from a 1 ghz P3 to a AMD 2700+ this weekend as well as from a GeForce 3 to GeForcefx 5200, not a huge jump on the vid card, but it was good enough. I had to be a bargain buyer .
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Luturb
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 19:37 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | | Yeah, will have to buy it in pieces over the next three months. |
Don't buy it in pieces, just put your money away and buy it all at once when you have the cash saved up. I guarantee that by then all that stuff will cost less than it does now, and you can get new stuff (like a PCI Express video card/motherboard) by then.
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merdocc
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Paden
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 20:15 Post subject:
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You're an idiot.
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merdocc
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 20:24 Post subject:
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WOW I just got called an idiot by some f*****g hick who lives in b******k lousiana who can't even figure out how to come out of the closet so he has to post 100 topics about when it's ok to suck a c**k. Hey paden want to suck my c**k for 5 billion dollars? f*g.
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 20:33 Post subject:
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Or he could've read Meeatsu's post up above about why PCIe is a bad idea right now.
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Meeatsu
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 20:33 Post subject:
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| Paden wrote: |
You're an idiot. |
I agree, no point in rushing out and buying the newest just yet. For one DDR2 atm is a bit over priced atm and your not gonna see this super huge increase that most are thinking they are gonna see (its just ram =/ Congrats you can load Windows XP faster after you reboot!). Also great, you want a PCIexpress mobo, but where exactly you planning on getting a PCIe video card that is worth buying at the moment? There isn't exactly a huge selection out there and the cards that are out are a pita to actually find.
2 Options
a) Wait. Let the new upcoming technology actually hit the market before you decide. Wait till Nvidia, VIA, and SIS release their PCIe/DDR2 supported a64 chipset s939 motherboards before you decide. Wait till PCIe videocards actually hit mainstream (sometime this fall, first the Nvidia 6800 and its varients and the ATI x800 and its varients.. then the cheaper cards like the Geforce 6600 and its varients and so forth). Wait till DDR2 memory manufactorers get their ram all figured out and priced at a price that makes them worth using.
b) Upgrade with current technology. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. AGP is still fast as f**k. 8x AGP was barely even tapped into before PCIe was introduced, and its already being pushed asside. A high end computer using the current technology isn't going to need to be replaced for a few years even with the new shit coming out, especially if you have a Geforce 6800 or ATi x800.
All depends on how much dough you got layin around =x
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merdocc
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 20:42 Post subject:
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Ok I guess I don't upgrade like everyone else in this thread then. When I upgrade I get at least a 2x power boost or what point is there in upgrading? Why would you upgrade only to totally be outdated in 3 months? I mean it's a whole new standard coming around the corner why would you buy almost outdated technology?
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Meeatsu
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 21:42 Post subject:
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| merdocc wrote: | | Ok I guess I don't upgrade like everyone else in this thread then. When I upgrade I get at least a 2x power boost or what point is there in upgrading? Why would you upgrade only to totally be outdated in 3 months? I mean it's a whole new standard coming around the corner why would you buy almost outdated technology? |
The thing is the "whole new standards coming around" are NOT actually in play yet. You will not see what PCIe can really do until late 2005 early 2006 when Nvidia releases the NV50 and ATi releases the r500. That is a year to a year and half away. There is absolutely no difference in raw speed (benchmark, 3Dgame aswell as 3Dapp) between a AGP 6800 and a PCIe 6800 same with the x800. Go to google and look up some comparison benchmarks. PCIe is too new and its not even fully worked out yet (evidence by both ATi and Nvidia cheating by using a AGP bridges in their chipset design instead of true PCIe, again if you don't understand that go look up AGP->PCIe bridges in google). The thing is PCIe just doesn't really matter right this second. Upgrading to it (the same with DDR2) this early is a bit foolish. Let the shit soak in a bit, let prices drop, and let the shit actually hit the market.
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merdocc
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Posted: 09/06/04 - 22:04 Post subject:
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Yeah that's what they said when we finially got rid of ISA cards too! Give it a year PCI will be nothing but a legacy slot. I usually try to look ahead for future upgradeability. If there is not really a difference in performance you might as well look toward the future. Of course some people aren't looking at having the fastest system on the block so it dosen't really matter.
Pretty good overview : http://zone.ni.com/devzone/conceptd.nsf/webmain/70B1D3E338E6F52386256E37006DFDB3
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