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 Posted: 10/14/04 - 20:36 Post subject: Very interesting PM I got
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Check it out:
Pattern here? What does this say?
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971
as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor,
Vietnam. * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor,
WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star
with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star,
Korea. * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &
Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve
1979-91. * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze
Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs,
Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart,
Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple
Heart. * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine
in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered
draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with
18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to
war:
* d**k Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last
by marriage. * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach
business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who
attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-
year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed
to show up for required medical exam, disappeared
from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-
combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was
over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although
continued in NFL
for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National
Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.
') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 20:57 Post subject:
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Why are Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly on that list? They're f*****g political commentators. Clarence Thomas? Please! JOHN WAYNE??!?!!?! Holy shit John Wayne didn't serve there's no way I'm voting Republican now.
That's a nice idea you have going there but it seems as if they're pulling in all sorts of names with little to no relevance for the sake of shock value.
This is why political dodgeball gives me the runs. Because every last m**********r is serving you a plate full of cowshit topped with a plump red cherry on top, and forcing you to eat it, hoping that you focus on the plump red cherry on top and not notice you're eating a big plate of cowshit.
-Nah-
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:06 Post subject:
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Nothing really damning in there but I found some of the names interesting none the less.
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Clevinger
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:28 Post subject:
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you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work!
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:30 Post subject:
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| Clevinger wrote: | you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work! |
S H I T H E A D
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:30 Post subject:
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i'd like to see someone from the right respond - not to the silly names.. but to the definite trend here
the magnitude of how many of these folks skirted their god given duty is simply shocking
i'm appalled
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:31 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | i'd like to see someone from the right respond - not to the silly names.. but to the definite trend here
the magnitude of how many of these folks skirted their god given duty is simply shocking
i'm appalled |
You want us to ignore the names but argue why those republicans didn't serve?
Ignore the facts, they just get in the way of the issue!
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:32 Post subject:
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no i want you to looks past the easy bait - i mean who gices a rats ass if ted nugent served or not.. look at all the power players up top.. then comment 
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:34 Post subject:
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| Buckshot wrote: | | Clevinger wrote: | you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work! |
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liberal girls smell funny
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:38 Post subject:
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| Clevinger wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | Clevinger wrote: | you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work! |
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liberal girls smell funny |
Hint - sometimes all girls (no matter their political conviction) smell funny.
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:39 Post subject:
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| Clevinger wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | Clevinger wrote: | you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work! |
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liberal girls smell funny |
I FOOK U MOMMA
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:42 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | no i want you to looks past the easy bait - i mean who gices a rats ass if ted nugent served or not.. look at all the power players up top.. then comment |
Oh you're talking about the Dems that served?
Some of those men served honorably. Some of thos men such as John Kerry did not. Others like Ted Kennedy served but have been nothing but scum in civi life. I give anyone points for serving whether they are Dem or Rep but it doesn't change what I think about them on the home front.
Oh and I love how Bush's service was recorded in the PM you got lol. Oh nm I forgot his Guard records that were found are "fake" my bad.
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:44 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | | no i want you to looks past the easy bait - i mean who gices a rats ass if ted nugent served or not.. look at all the power players up top.. then comment |
Oh you're talking about the Dems that served?
Some of those men served honorably. Some of thos men such as John Kerry did not. Others like Ted Kennedy served but have been nothing but scum in civi life. I give anyone points for serving whether they are Dem or Rep but it doesn't change what I think about them on the home front.
Oh and I love how Bush's service was recorded in the PM you got lol. Oh nm I forgot his Guard records that were found are "fake" my bad. |
nice avoidance
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:44 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | Clevinger wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | Clevinger wrote: | you make megalo look smart
keep up the good work! |
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liberal girls smell funny |
Hint - sometimes all girls (no matter their political conviction) smell funny. |
Haha. That one made me lirl. 
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:49 Post subject:
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I'm sure You could put together a list of All dem's who diddn't serve and a list of all republicans who did server. This post is crap as usual, it's just missing the normal " BUSH GOT OWNED LOLZ LZOLZ".
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 21:53 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | | no i want you to looks past the easy bait - i mean who gices a rats ass if ted nugent served or not.. look at all the power players up top.. then comment |
Oh you're talking about the Dems that served?
Some of those men served honorably. Some of thos men such as John Kerry did not. Others like Ted Kennedy served but have been nothing but scum in civi life. I give anyone points for serving whether they are Dem or Rep but it doesn't change what I think about them on the home front.
Oh and I love how Bush's service was recorded in the PM you got lol. Oh nm I forgot his Guard records that were found are "fake" my bad. |
nice avoidance |
I didn't avoid anything. I said some of those guys are cool..some aren't. What more do you want?
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 22:06 Post subject:
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Obmar, Jack Crow, Buckshot, and megalo make me want to not vote for democrats.
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 22:10 Post subject:
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| Roskoe wrote: | | Obmar, Jack Crow, Buckshot, and megalo make me want to not vote for democrats. |
I never asked you to agree with me
Hell half the country doesn't and I can accept that
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 22:16 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | Roskoe wrote: | | Obmar, Jack Crow, Buckshot, and megalo make me want to not vote for democrats. |
I never asked you to agree with me
Hell half the country doesn't and I can accept that |
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 22:25 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | Roskoe wrote: | | Obmar, Jack Crow, Buckshot, and megalo make me want to not vote for democrats. |
I never asked you to agree with me
Hell half the country doesn't and I can accept that |
ER, THE PERCENTAGE IS UNDER HALF SIR, BELOW 49 IN FACT
YOU ARE THE MAJORITY
THEY ARE THE MINORITY
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 22:29 Post subject:
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+/- on those polls bro don't forget
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 13:19 Post subject:
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This is stupid. It's a list of left-wingers that served in war and a list of right-wingers that didn't. There's nothing conclusive about it. Give me a political survey that says out of 10,000 democrats and 10,000 republicans, way more democrats served in war than republicans.
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
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Poll: GIs, Families Trust Bush Over Kerry
| Quote: | Bush, who served in the Texas Air National Guard, was more trusted by 69 percent while 24 percent said they trusted Kerry more, according to the National Annenberg Election Survey released Friday.
[Keep in mind that:]
The National Annenberg Election Survey found that seven in 10, 69 percent, had a favorable view of Bush. Only three in 10, 29 percent, had a favorable view of Kerry.
The Annenberg poll, which does not report head-to-head preferences, did not ask the military respondents who they support for president. The report cited a 1948 law that prohibits polling members of the military about their voting intent.
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Your point? 
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 13:54 Post subject:
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| Conqueso wrote: | Poll: GIs, Families Trust Bush Over Kerry
| Quote: | Bush, who served in the Texas Air National Guard, was more trusted by 69 percent while 24 percent said they trusted Kerry more, according to the National Annenberg Election Survey released Friday.
[Keep in mind that:]
The National Annenberg Election Survey found that seven in 10, 69 percent, had a favorable view of Bush. Only three in 10, 29 percent, had a favorable view of Kerry.
The Annenberg poll, which does not report head-to-head preferences, did not ask the military respondents who they support for president. The report cited a 1948 law that prohibits polling members of the military about their voting intent.
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Your point? |
What is key here is something that you see on this board as well.
Military types rally around the president when we are at war. It is unthinkable to question an action that is taking place - and normally unthinkable to quetion an action afterward.
It is seen as a betrayal.
And so, you ask military types who they trust- I expect that kind of result - no brainer there.
this actually doesn't really make a point that is relevant on this thread
conqueso - what exaclty are you trying to say relevant to this thread with this poll?
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Conqueso
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 14:38 Post subject:
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What is the point of "who served and who didnt"? All that matters is that the soldier trusts his/her commander in chief.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 15:43 Post subject:
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I see
sort of an offhand way to make your point - but it would work better if you actually said that in your post do't you think?
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 15:53 Post subject:
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Heh, like you ever make a point in your posts?
| Quote: | i'd like to see someone from the right respond - not to the silly names.. but to the definite trend here
the magnitude of how many of these folks skirted their god given duty is simply shocking
i'm appalled |
You didnt even answer your own question about all the "deferred / did not serve" for the Democrats. Jack had asked, "What does this say?" I said it didnt matter via "Your point? "
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| Conqueso wrote: | Heh, like you ever make a point in your posts?
| Quote: | i'd like to see someone from the right respond - not to the silly names.. but to the definite trend here
the magnitude of how many of these folks skirted their god given duty is simply shocking
i'm appalled |
You didnt even answer your own question about all the "deferred / did not serve" for the Democrats. Jack had asked, "What does this say?" I said it didnt matter via "Your point? " |
I beg to differ
I made a point - that I was appalled at the dichotomy displayed by the lists. I was wondering if anyone else felt as I.
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 18:38 Post subject:
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Heh, how are things contradictory in the list when there is no basis given for a contradiction? You just say "Im appalled about how many of these folk skirted duty". What do you mean by skirted and what point are you trying to make? Do you mean "skirted" as in someone that filed a deferment like Bill Clinton or d**k Cheney or was in a non-combat role like Al Gore or Ronald Reagan or served only 4 months active combat versus over a year like John Kerry versus Oliver North (which isnt listed)? Do you mean "skirt duty" as in governors should serve, following the example of Gray Davis or should it just be for any random office like the Secretary of State following the example of Colin Powell (which isnt listed). Why are you appalled? Are you appalled because you think military service is required for a government position that interacts with the Pentagon or required for any public office?
For someone that complains about people doing a cut and paste and not following with specific viewpoints, you sure do have a lot to make up for yourself.
As I had said before: Your point? All that matters is that we support our troops and that the troops have faith in our commander in chief.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 03:52 Post subject:
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none of my comments in this thread - really rarley any other - are cut-paste jobs
I don't hide my conviciotns behind the quotes of others.
If I use quotes, I try to say why I used them, and what exactly I mean by putting them up for commentary.
the list displayed for me a dichotomy, that i mentioned. One where the power players on each side were "fairly" well represented - I will stipulate this is a partisan offering.
And I was looking for someone to rise up and try to say something in defense - looks like it's you...
No matter - the stark difference in the people on the list (and I am not talking numbers.. but who has the power up top) in who served and who didn't - speaks to me.
I hope that makes it crystal clear.
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