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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 19:16    Post subject: Unfairenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore pwned Reply with quote

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

Great article, some excerpts:

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To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.

In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion.

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Perhaps vaguely aware that his movie so completely lacks gravitas, Moore concludes with a sonorous reading of some words from George Orwell. The words are taken from 1984 and consist of a third-person analysis of a hypothetical, endless, and contrived war between three superpowers. The clear intention, as clumsily excerpted like this (...) is to suggest that there is no moral distinction between the United States, the Taliban, and the Baath Party and that the war against jihad is about nothing. If Moore had studied a bit more, or at all, he could have read Orwell really saying, and in his own voice, the following:

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

And that's just from Orwell's Notes on Nationalism in May 1945. A short word of advice: In general, it's highly unwise to quote Orwell if you are already way out of your depth on the question of moral equivalence. It's also incautious to remind people of Orwell if you are engaged in a sophomoric celluloid rewriting of recent history.

If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD. You might hope that a retrospective awareness of this kind would induce a little modesty. To the contrary, it is employed to pump air into one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture. Rock the vote, indeed.

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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 19:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won an award at the New Zealand film festival!
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

median wrote:
It won an award at the New Zealand film festival!


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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 19:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

median wrote:
It won an award at the New Zealand film festival!


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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 20:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool pictures!
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 20:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damage control has begun, and the movie isn't even out yet!
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

f**k michael moore.


c**t rag.
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to see Michael Moore Hates America. I cant stand that fat f****r. Im glad his appeal to the MPAA got turned down.
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 20:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akronn wrote:
Damage control has begun, and the movie isn't even out yet!

c**t
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't read the whole thing, and trying to do too many things at once, so didn't read too much into it after I saw this. So correct me if he clarified this. but ....

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he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way


what a piece of shit
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 21:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haphasto_S wrote:
what a piece of shit



Even looks like a piece of shit too.

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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 21:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

whee



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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 21:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr's #1 fan wrote:
Haphasto_S wrote:
what a piece of shit



Even looks like a piece of shit too.



f*g like whoa Michael Moore is!
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 22:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would LOVE to debate that fat b*****d in a public forum. However, as he begins blabbering incoherently, I would casually walk over to his podium and snap his f*****g neck, all the while having a huge shit-eating grin on my face. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 22:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Moore is a national embarassment. He hasn't made a factual documentary, well, ever. He is an activist, not an objective filmmaker.

He's even threatening to sue the guys making a documentary about him (or anyone) if he thinks they slander him or portray him in a bad light. What a f*****g hypocrite.

Thank god looney toons like this guy are on the outside of mainstream America.
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PostPosted: 06/22/04 - 23:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be an interesting screening. Opens this week right?
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 00:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banzai wrote:
Should be an interesting screening.


Nope

Banzai wrote:
Opens this week right?


Yep
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 00:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jakanden wrote:
Banzai wrote:
Should be an interesting screening.


Nope

Banzai wrote:
Opens this week right?


Yep


you dont find comedys interesting?
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 00:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did like Bowling for Columbine


but he's a f*****g piece of shit
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 00:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rycrias wrote:
I would LOVE to debate that fat b*****d in a public forum. However, as he begins blabbering incoherently, I would casually walk over to his podium and snap his f*****g neck, all the while having a huge shit-eating grin on my face. Very Happy


With your keyboard? Shocked
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 01:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr's #1 fan wrote:
Haphasto_S wrote:
what a piece of shit



Even looks like a piece of shit too.



rofl.
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 01:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Not an internet forum. A face-to face public forum. Although, having powers mighty enough to accomplish said task via keyboard and monitor would be easier, it wouldnt be quite as satisfying as using my bare hands.
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 01:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rycrias wrote:
No. Not an internet forum. A face-to face public forum. Although, having powers mighty enough to accomplish said task via keyboard and monitor would be easier, it wouldnt be quite as satisfying as using my bare hands.


mmm hmm
internet tough guy huh. lol
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 02:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

blah ablah blah afgragb blagbabahla;blag GaRaggabalrjabla
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 02:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

atarom is right, this will result in campaigning movies every election year.
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 03:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

atarom wrote:
blah ablah blah afgragb blagbabahla;blag GaRaggabalrjabla


Exactly. Who f*****g cares. It's a movie. If you don't like the guy, send him some hate mail instead of telling all of us how much he sucks or should be beaten. Everytime his name comes up here it's the same thing!
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Silvermouse wrote:
atarom wrote:
blah ablah blah afgragb blagbabahla;blag GaRaggabalrjabla


Exactly. Who f*****g cares. It's a movie. If you don't like the guy, send him some hate mail instead of telling all of us how much he sucks or should be beaten. Everytime his name comes up here it's the same thing!


No.
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 08:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rycrias wrote:
I would LOVE to debate that fat b*****d in a public forum. However, as he begins blabbering incoherently, I would casually walk over to his podium and snap his f*****g neck, all the while having a huge shit-eating grin on my face. Very Happy


Who slaps people in the NECK?

OWW!!! My Neck!
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 09:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rycrias wrote:
snap
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PostPosted: 06/23/04 - 10:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed
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