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median
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 Posted: 10/16/04 - 18:37 Post subject: U.S asks for more British support in Bagdhad and Falug
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So,
The u.s odviously needs some more troops in central Iraq, and the British are mostly situated in the south in the bay region.
But the Brits are weary of helping the U.S in central Iraq because they have totally differant methods of dealing with the Iraqi's and do not want to loose their repore with the Iraqis.
British parliment is now debating helping the U.S because they beleive the U.S has poor skils in stabalizing Iraq, and they don't want to belittle their troops by helping the Americans.
I found this interesting , I wasnt sure what was happening with the Brits, it doesnt get that much media attention (which is suprising because I watch BBC).
So my question to youz guyz is. Do you think the Brits are doing a better job in securing Iraq? And what do you think this means for American-Brittish relations?
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Frax
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 18:56 Post subject:
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The british couldn't have even entered Iraq without us.
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Conqueso
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 20:24 Post subject:
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Hmm, the big question is "why?" This is speculation but I bet that the US wants to launch multiple counter-offensives. The recent news that I have seen is that Syria and Iran are allowing terrorists and insurgents in and out of its borders. Maybe the US wants to stick a concentrated forces there. Who knows until the question of "why" is answered.
As for the British-American relations... I dont think it will have an impact. It also doesnt mean that the British are more capable. I think it only deals with which troops are where (logistics). The British have less forces so it will mean a big demand on them. They might not be able to do it. Again, I dont think there is any squabbling occurring behind the scenes.
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Conqueso
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 20:27 Post subject:
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bleh double post, I forgot to hit edit above (thought of something else).
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 21:36 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | The british couldn't have even entered Iraq without us. |
And they would have wanted to...?
Edit: I see the myth of large quantities of foreign fighters flowing into Iraq as being responsible for the insurgency continues. Gen. Abizaid has already said that there is not a large foreign influx of fighters, and only apprx. 300 out of 5000 combatants being held are foreigners.
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Conqueso
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 21:57 Post subject:
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Hmm, I had seen a few days ago about mortar shelling coming from the Syrian border and Iranians being arrested in eastern Iraq. Im not sure then if there are only small numbers being arrested. Maybe it is just Suni versus Shi-ite fighting being spurred on by a few outsiders. I am seeing reports of problems happening now in Pakistan between Suni and Shi-ite. I guess we will just have to wait for more info to come out.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 22:15 Post subject:
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| Quote: | So while the foreign fighters in Iraq are definitely a problem that have to be dealt with, I still think that the primary problem that we're dealing with is former regime elements of the ex-Ba'ath Party that are fighting against the government and trying to do anything possible to upend the election process. The greatest danger to the former regime, to the terrorists, and to the foreign fighters are fair and free elections, and we aim to make that happen.
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From September 26 interview here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6106292/
He says there are about 1,000 foreign fighters total they believe in the country.
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Majy
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 11:55 Post subject:
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here comes the draaaafffftttttt...
Paden will be all geared up in no time, ready to defend all of you.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:01 Post subject:
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| Majy wrote: | here comes the draaaafffftttttt...
Paden will be all geared up in no time, ready to defend all of you. |
I'd rather have Paden fighting beside me then a snot-nosed liberal that s***s his pants and hates me.
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Majy
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:09 Post subject:
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Don't get all bitchy on me =/ I've been wanting a draft since I turned eligible to be in one. However, I think I'm an a vast minority... but I think you're missing the point of the post anyway.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
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| Majy wrote: | | Don't get all bitchy on me =/ I've been wanting a draft since I turned eligible to be in one. However, I think I'm an a vast minority... but I think you're missing the point of the post anyway. |
So..why have you wanted a draft?
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Majy
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:19 Post subject:
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I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:29 Post subject:
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| Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. 
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:35 Post subject:
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I'm pretty sure you only have to be 17 to join the Marines bro. But your parents would have to sign consent.
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 12:39 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | I'm pretty sure you only have to be 17 to join the Marines bro. But your parents would have to sign consent. |
Yes, you can join any branch at 17 but your parents have to sign.
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median
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 02:07 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Qaldyin wrote: | | I'm pretty sure you only have to be 17 to join the Marines bro. But your parents would have to sign consent. |
Yes, you can join any branch at 17 but your parents have to sign. |
then stop posting on realpoor and "be all you can be" you f*****g p***y. put your money where your mouth is, and go defend freedom in iraq
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 07:54 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Qaldyin wrote: | | I'm pretty sure you only have to be 17 to join the Marines bro. But your parents would have to sign consent. |
Yes, you can join any branch at 17 but your parents have to sign. |
then stop posting on realpoor and "be all you can be" you f*****g p***y. put your money where your mouth is, and go defend freedom in iraq |
You have to graduate highschool first d*****t. Some people get out at 17 some get out at 18. Either way I'm 16 till Feb.
Go bounce your head at someone else.
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Frax
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 10:02 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Qaldyin wrote: | | I'm pretty sure you only have to be 17 to join the Marines bro. But your parents would have to sign consent. |
Yes, you can join any branch at 17 but your parents have to sign. |
then stop posting on realpoor and "be all you can be" you f*****g p***y. put your money where your mouth is, and go defend freedom in iraq |
I love it when foreigners post this kind of shit. It illustrates their irrational and incorrect concepts about the world very well.
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 11:39 Post subject:
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Bear in mind that the British government helped US in Iraq contrary to the will of the vast majority of Brits, not because the war was justified and necessary to them but because they felt they owed US and, as loyal allies, it was in their best strategical interest to follow them into whatever they were doing. Much like all the other countries that are in Iraq are doing ( Poland etc.)
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Frax
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 11:59 Post subject:
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People tend to forget that nations do not have friends, they have only interests. As long as interests are similar, nations tend to get along.
the UK (as well as most of europe) has an interest in that the current world geo/political/military balance stays as it is.
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themy
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:21 Post subject:
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even canada would be doing a great job in securing southern iraq. the people in the south hated saddam so there aren't too many more baath house etc. parties still there.
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 02:22 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | here comes the draaaafffftttttt...
Paden will be all geared up in no time, ready to defend all of you. |
I'd rather have Paden fighting beside me then a snot-nosed liberal that s***s his pants and hates me. |
Beside you?
You're 16 i thought?
You can't even vote. Stfu.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 02:27 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | here comes the draaaafffftttttt...
Paden will be all geared up in no time, ready to defend all of you. |
I'd rather have Paden fighting beside me then a snot-nosed liberal that s***s his pants and hates me. |
Beside you?
You're 16 i thought?
You can't even vote. Stfu. |
Yes beside me; I'm enlisting in just over a year. Who wins this election is important to me whether I can vote or not.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 10:37 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. |
Do you honestly believe that? Also, if you want to see combat, you should try to get into some special operations units, regular infantry usually just gets the s****y jobs... like policing Fallujah.
YOu will never, ever, have to worry about there being "too many Infantrymen". My father was in the infantry, and as he says "they will always take more cannon fodder". Of course, 'Nam was a little different.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. |
Do you honestly believe that? Also, if you want to see combat, you should try to get into some special operations units, regular infantry usually just gets the s****y jobs... like policing Fallujah.
YOu will never, ever, have to worry about there being "too many Infantrymen". My father was in the infantry, and as he says "they will always take more cannon fodder". Of course, 'Nam was a little different. |
I want to go Recon eventually, but I'll start out as Infantry if I can.
I know we need all the infantry we can get..but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be needed in some other MOS more. 
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 16:25 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. |
Do you honestly believe that? Also, if you want to see combat, you should try to get into some special operations units, regular infantry usually just gets the s****y jobs... like policing Fallujah.
YOu will never, ever, have to worry about there being "too many Infantrymen". My father was in the infantry, and as he says "they will always take more cannon fodder". Of course, 'Nam was a little different. |
I want to go Recon eventually, but I'll start out as Infantry if I can.
I know we need all the infantry we can get..but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be needed in some other MOS more. |
Don't worry, all Marines are infantrymen, no matter what your MOS, technically 
I'm sure there will be plenty of spots open for you. Bust your ass!
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. |
Do you honestly believe that? Also, if you want to see combat, you should try to get into some special operations units, regular infantry usually just gets the s****y jobs... like policing Fallujah.
YOu will never, ever, have to worry about there being "too many Infantrymen". My father was in the infantry, and as he says "they will always take more cannon fodder". Of course, 'Nam was a little different. |
I want to go Recon eventually, but I'll start out as Infantry if I can.
I know we need all the infantry we can get..but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be needed in some other MOS more. |
Don't worry, all Marines are infantrymen, no matter what your MOS, technically
I'm sure there will be plenty of spots open for you. Bust your ass! |
I know everyone is a Marine first then whatever their job is, but I still want 0311! 
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Posted: 10/22/04 - 20:03 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Majy wrote: | I'm a f*****g moron, mostly. I've always had this dying urge to go to war for my country, but my will to take on different paths of life supersede this... Also, joining the army doesn't always necessarily mean you're going to be in wartime for your service period... a draft would force me into doing this and would guarantee that aspect, it'd be the perfect way to get in, fulfill my urge, and get out and get back on track =/
You can make fun of me for this, it's illogical, but you asked. |
shrug. Whatever floats yer boat. I really only want 0311(Infantry) but whatever I get I'll be happy with I guess. From what I hear the Marine's are pretty short on combat troops for Iraq so if we are still there or in Iran by then I think I'll have a good chance at getting the MOS I want.
Of course if sKerry is elected then I don't care what I get..we won't be fighting anywhere. |
Do you honestly believe that? Also, if you want to see combat, you should try to get into some special operations units, regular infantry usually just gets the s****y jobs... like policing Fallujah.
YOu will never, ever, have to worry about there being "too many Infantrymen". My father was in the infantry, and as he says "they will always take more cannon fodder". Of course, 'Nam was a little different. |
I want to go Recon eventually, but I'll start out as Infantry if I can.
I know we need all the infantry we can get..but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be needed in some other MOS more. |
Don't worry, all Marines are infantrymen, no matter what your MOS, technically
I'm sure there will be plenty of spots open for you. Bust your ass! |
I know everyone is a Marine first then whatever their job is, but I still want 0311! |
You going to go to PI or SD. And yes, i was. Would probably still be if the government didnt say nope you're to broken bu-bye.
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