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Jinu
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 Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:39 Post subject: US casualties
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This war is starting to get ugly, and we're not even in Baghdad yet.
i predict casualties of around 1000. Bush's popularity will fall to single digits and he will be wiped out in the next election.
hope this doesn't turn into another vietnam
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hitachi
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:40 Post subject:
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uh its a f*****g war. what did you expect?
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Brael
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:41 Post subject:
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its war, theres casualites... get used to it, losing 1000 soldiers is part of that cost, and anyways right now how many have died? 20? people in the us are to senstitive to casualites now
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:41 Post subject:
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i said thats what i predict will happen.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:43 Post subject:
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This guy's predicting 3,000:
| Quote: | LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S.-led force in Iraq risks as many as 3,000 casualties in the battle for Baghdad and Washington has underestimated the number of troops needed, a top former commander from the 1991 Gulf War said on Monday.
Retired U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said the U.S.-led force faced "a very dicey two to three day battle" as it pushes north toward the Iraqi capital.
"We ought to be able to do it (take Baghdad)," he told the Newsnight Program on Britain's BBC Television late on Monday.
"In the process if they (the Iraqis) actually fight, and that's one of the assumptions, clearly it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take, bluntly, a couple to 3,000 casualties," said McCaffrey who became one of the most senior ranking members of the U.S. military following the 1991 war.
"So if they (the Americans and British) are unwilling to face up to that, we may have a difficult time of it taking down Baghdad and Tikrit up to the north west."
McCaffrey said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had misjudged the nature of the conflict. Asked if Rumsfeld made a mistake by not sending more troops to start the offensive, McCaffrey replied: "Yes, sure. I think everybody told him that."
"I think he thought these were U.S. generals with their feet planted in World War II that didn't understand the new way of warfare," he added.
U.S. forces have advanced more than 200 miles into Iraqi territory since the start of the war and are beginning to confront an elite division of the Republican Guards deployed to defend the capital.
"So it ought to be a very dicey two to three day battle out there." McCaffrey said of the confrontation with the Republican Guards.
He said his personal view was that the invading troops would "take them (the Iraqis) apart."
"But we've never done something like this with this modest a force at such a distance from its bases," he warned.
McCaffrey, a former Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces in Latin America, served overseas for 13 years and took part in four combat tours.
He twice received the Distinguished Service Cross, the second highest medal for valor in the United States |
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Brolly Trusaiyan
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:45 Post subject:
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Well actually, a lot of people expected for this war to be quick and simple. As we all can see its far away from being anything like that. Last night around 2am central time they had break news saying they were having "Fierce conflict 50 miles from Baghdad(sp)."
Now Saddam told his diggle berries that when we arrive at Baghdad, to use chemical warfare (remember the shit he said he didn't have  ) Marine Commander said that they are ready for the chemical warfare but the only problem is that the civilians are not..
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:47 Post subject:
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p.s. current situation map if anyone's interested (not inline because it's fairly huge):
http://agonist.org/annex/sitmap
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:50 Post subject:
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don't worry, if saddam uses chemical weapons in baghdad, then we will win the war very quickly
the problem is if he doesn't use chemical weapons
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:51 Post subject:
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McCaffrey isn't really a respected member of the military. He was a political panderer to Clinton. Ask someone like Colin Powell (who was involved in these decisions) or Norman Schwartzkoff.
War is ugly and casualties are inevitable. But US soldiers have killed 500 Iraqis in the last two days while losing around 5 (don't know the exact number). A 100:1 kill ratio is very good. Apply that ratio to Bagdhad with 3000 Americans dead and you have 300,000 Iraqis dead. My guess is they give up long before that.
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Andur Ravenblade
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:52 Post subject:
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Compared to a real war, this is simple. It's just a matter of time, and how many times we s***w up or they get lucky.
It's also a matter of how long we are going to let them dress as civilians and use hospitals as shields to protect themselves while they shoot at us.
I still don't consider this a war. You need two sides who have a relative chance to win to have a war. They are gone, regardless of our losses, they've lost already.
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Manuva
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:18 Post subject:
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Don't believe all the bleeding heart "BUT THERE MIGHT BE BLOOD!" b******t, we're winning this by staggering margins, and we'll continue to do so.
War is ugly, American's will die.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:22 Post subject:
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More people will die in this conflict than in any terrorist plot Saddam might have hatched. Sad but true.
People who thought this was going to be a 40 hour war... well what can I say? Complete ignorance.
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Manuva
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:25 Post subject:
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That much is true
"Omg we're going to drop 3 bombs and all Iraqi's will lay down their weapons and embrace Americans!"....*cough*...b******t
I'm going to say U.S. occupation will be complete in two weeks, but little skirmishes will spring up now and then for the next two months or so before things finally settle down and we start to rebuild shit.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:28 Post subject:
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You notice you never hear the phrase "shock and awe" anymore? So is that phase over, or is it still happening? Is it considered a failure? I'm sure it helped, destroying infrastructure etc, but it doesn't seemed to have created as much awe as they expected, or did it?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:28 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | More people will die in this conflict than in any terrorist plot Saddam might have hatched. Sad but true. |
Really? What's your source?
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Rennol
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:31 Post subject:
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WheresNWS you might consider reading some history books.
BTW, 56,000 Americans died in Vietnam, estimates are that over 1-2 million Vietnamese died. Just remember which side won the war (not the peace).
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Kaladam
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:51 Post subject:
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The war is 5 days in. We're 60 miles from baghdad. This IS a fast war. Think about almost every single previous war in existance. Months and Years. This is 5 days so far.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 11:54 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | WheresNWS you might consider reading some history books.
BTW, 56,000 Americans died in Vietnam, estimates are that over 1-2 million Vietnamese died. Just remember which side won the war (not the peace). |
Which book would you recommend? I thought we lost the war because we had no goal other than to aid S. Vietnam. Aren't we trying to take over Bagdhad, here? You might also want to read a little history. It's a very different world and a very different military. 20 years ago, Russia (our then equal) wasted all of its might on Afghanistan. A year ago, the US conquered it in a week.
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Brash
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 12:02 Post subject:
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i think the death tally is around 75+. i know 50 marines died in just one day.
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Eduin
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 12:11 Post subject: Re: US casualties
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| Jinu wrote: |
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Oh, it won't turn into a Vietnam.
More like a Stalingrad.
Regards,
Eduin
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TASB
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 12:13 Post subject:
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The shock and awe thing was partially psychological warfare. The Iraqi's would have been left wonding 'when'. Also the way it has been progressing they haven't needed to use extream force to overcome any of the current battles.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 12:16 Post subject: Re: US casualties
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| Eduin wrote: | | Jinu wrote: |
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Oh, it won't turn into a Vietnam.
More like a Stalingrad.
Regards,
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I should start saving these to hold people like you responsible for recklessly inaccurate statements. Then when everyone sees you're right about 1 of every 20 statements, your lack of credibility can be taken into account.
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 12:53 Post subject:
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1. Brash you are a nutsack, cuz 50 people didn't die in one day. its 20 total so far
2. as for being like vietnam, i meant that we would win the numbers war, but that because of public opinion, in the eyes of the world, we will have "lost"
and wtf happened in stalingrad? didn't the russians get rolled over until that sniper dude killed like everybody by himself? lol
i dunno shit, just what i watch in movies
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 13:02 Post subject:
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I sort of think shock and awe was a mistake. It was sort of like telling them: "This is the worst we can do. If you can survive the first two days, things will get better".
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Brash
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 13:10 Post subject:
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my bad i reread it and it was 10 killed and 40 injured that day
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Janoth
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 15:04 Post subject:
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WTF. Still not in Baghdad? What did you expect? It's been 6 days. we have had about 20 casualties, and control 90% of the country. In other words we just kicked a lot of ass in a short amount of time. As for Eduin's comparison to Stalingrad - interesting analogy, in that the Russians hated their government. They would have welcomed Germany with open arms if Germany didn't go in and start killing everyone in site. They picked the lesser of 2 evils in Russia. The United States will come into Baghdad with food and water, and will immediatly start helping Iraqi's. Iraqi's already hate Saddam. Do the math. I don't see a big patriotic movement to kill Americans. Small pockets of resistance, yes. A unified resistance, no way.
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 15:06 Post subject:
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20 deads so far is almost a miracle.
What do you expect Jinu? its a war not a movie were rambo owns undreds all by himself.
iraq's soldiers shot, and 20 so far is damn good.
Most of them died from accidents or cheap shot too.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 15:18 Post subject:
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You have to understand we have 250K troops there, whats 2k to the big picture? whats 25k?
We will win, it will cost american lives and the price we pay for being the only country with balls to stand up to tyrants.
Before you say well its the price other pay not me, I wa sint he armed forces, I paid my sweat and blood and I have friends that are over there now.
Question is, have you payed the price to your country for the privililedge to live in the land of milk and honey? My guess is no.
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 15:20 Post subject:
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In fact bait none of the rich people in the US did.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 15:22 Post subject:
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b******t I know some rich people who served too, thats f*****g anti war propaganda.
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