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cheese
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Although the world rightly says "never again," action is harder. Since the Holocaust genocide has occurred in Cambodia, in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia, he said.
And at this moment, "terrible things are happening today in Darfur, Sudan," Annan said. He asked the Security Council to take action once it received a report on Tuesday determining whether genocide has occurred and identifying gross violations of human rights.
Hmm I'm sure they will expect the US to get involved provide majority of the troops so we can look more evil to the rest of the world.
sarcasm on
why doesn't the UN just ask them to stop I'm sure they will..
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Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now?
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Nazis always get a bum rap.
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Posted: 01/24/05 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now? |
THis is hardly the first time that the Darfur affair has been brought up by the UN or by Annan.
It's ironic that the same people that would be perfectly willing to see the UN remain a toothless tiger are the ones criticizing it for inaction in Sudan.
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Posted: 01/24/05 - 16:25 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now? |
THis is hardly the first time that the Darfur affair has been brought up by the UN or by Annan.
It's ironic that the same people that would be perfectly willing to see the UN remain a toothless tiger are the ones criticizing it for inaction in Sudan. |
We're criticizing their hypocrisy. You know...the only liberal vice.
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Rennol
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Posted: 01/24/05 - 16:27 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now? |
THis is hardly the first time that the Darfur affair has been brought up by the UN or by Annan.
It's ironic that the same people that would be perfectly willing to see the UN remain a toothless tiger are the ones criticizing it for inaction in Sudan. |
We're criticizing their hypocrisy. You know...the only liberal vice. |
What hypocrisy? That they have been trying to draw attention to this for quite some time now and nobody really gives a shit? The U.S. has been about the only country to actually do stuff in the region...
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Posted: 01/24/05 - 16:30 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now? |
THis is hardly the first time that the Darfur affair has been brought up by the UN or by Annan.
It's ironic that the same people that would be perfectly willing to see the UN remain a toothless tiger are the ones criticizing it for inaction in Sudan. |
We're criticizing their hypocrisy. You know...the only liberal vice. |
What hypocrisy? That they have been trying to draw attention to this for quite some time now and nobody really gives a shit? The U.S. has been about the only country to actually do stuff in the region... |
That they criticize inaction. Let's see...When in recent history did the UN advocate inaction against a murderous dictator? Hmmmm...Maybe they just don't have the proper bribery channels set up in the UN yet.
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Posted: 01/25/05 - 19:52 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Hmm I'm sure they will expect the US to get involved provide majority of the troops so we can look more evil to the rest of the world. |
This must be the most stupid and unintelligent comment I have ever seen.
The reason US looks bad to the rest of the world is not because they are sending troops to help different places in the world. It is because they only send troops where they can gain anything ie. Iraq for oil.
IF US would send troops to Darfur or other places needing it I am sure US would look alot better in the rest of the worlds eyes.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/25/05 - 20:07 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Its great that he's bringing up Darfur now.. however its been ongoing for .. 6 months now? |
THis is hardly the first time that the Darfur affair has been brought up by the UN or by Annan.
It's ironic that the same people that would be perfectly willing to see the UN remain a toothless tiger are the ones criticizing it for inaction in Sudan. |
You mean calling it what it is? You seem to have a really f****d up view of how the world works. I'd rather see the UN disbanded, its worse than a high school model government in how pathetically impotent it is.
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Posted: 01/25/05 - 23:04 Post subject:
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| Luthar01 wrote: | | Quote: | | Hmm I'm sure they will expect the US to get involved provide majority of the troops so we can look more evil to the rest of the world. |
This must be the most stupid and unintelligent comment I have ever seen.
The reason US looks bad to the rest of the world is not because they are sending troops to help different places in the world. It is because they only send troops where they can gain anything ie. Iraq for oil.
IF US would send troops to Darfur or other places needing it I am sure US would look alot better in the rest of the worlds eyes. |
Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo...any of these places ring a bell to you? We sure had a lot to gain from those countries. 
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Luthar01 wrote: | | Quote: | | Hmm I'm sure they will expect the US to get involved provide majority of the troops so we can look more evil to the rest of the world. |
This must be the most stupid and unintelligent comment I have ever seen.
The reason US looks bad to the rest of the world is not because they are sending troops to help different places in the world. It is because they only send troops where they can gain anything ie. Iraq for oil.
IF US would send troops to Darfur or other places needing it I am sure US would look alot better in the rest of the worlds eyes. |
Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo...any of these places ring a bell to you? We sure had a lot to gain from those countries. |
Omg I wanna say it so I can steal one of our liberal posters thunder!
Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton!
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Starks
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You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first.
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Vekril
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What exactly are you referring to Starks?
If you mean Iraq, you are a bigger idiot than most of the liberals who post here...
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| Starks wrote: | | You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first. |
I think hes trying to say that millions are dying because of what the US is doing in Iraq. Or that the Tsunami was planned by the US.
I mean take your pick folks neither one of these assumptions would surprise me coming from an ignorant mind such as this one.
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Posted: 01/26/05 - 15:21 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | What exactly are you referring to Starks?
If you mean Iraq, you are a bigger idiot than most of the liberals who post here... |
He might have been referring as to how late the U.S. got involved in the Bosnia/Serb drama.
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| Tura wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first. |
I think hes trying to say that millions are dying because of what the US is doing in Iraq. Or that the Tsunami was planned by the US.
I mean take your pick folks neither one of these assumptions would surprise me coming from an ignorant mind such as this one. |
f**k I KNEW WE PLANNED THAT TSUNAMI! GOD I HATE AMERICA 
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Posted: 01/27/05 - 04:21 Post subject:
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| Ikkan wrote: | | Tura wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first. |
I think hes trying to say that millions are dying because of what the US is doing in Iraq. Or that the Tsunami was planned by the US.
I mean take your pick folks neither one of these assumptions would surprise me coming from an ignorant mind such as this one. |
f**k I KNEW WE PLANNED THAT TSUNAMI! GOD I HATE AMERICA |
nah, that was earth, scratchin this itch while its still got a chance, wouldn't you?
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| Melee wrote: | | Ikkan wrote: | | Tura wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first. |
I think hes trying to say that millions are dying because of what the US is doing in Iraq. Or that the Tsunami was planned by the US.
I mean take your pick folks neither one of these assumptions would surprise me coming from an ignorant mind such as this one. |
f**k I KNEW WE PLANNED THAT TSUNAMI! GOD I HATE AMERICA |
nah, that was earth, scratchin this itch while its still got a chance, wouldn't you? |
Thats right folks the world is comign to an end and its ALL OUR FAULT. You heard it here first from our wise friend Melee.
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I am referring to none of the above. I am referring to the gassing of the Kurds done by the Iraqi's when Iran was the enemy. Good old Donny and Ollie. I thought for sure at least you Vek would catch on.
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Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion.
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Posted: 01/27/05 - 12:56 Post subject:
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| Tura wrote: | | Melee wrote: | | Ikkan wrote: | | Tura wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | You have forgotten that the US is a firm backer of Genocide. It takes a couple more million people to die for no reason first. |
I think hes trying to say that millions are dying because of what the US is doing in Iraq. Or that the Tsunami was planned by the US.
I mean take your pick folks neither one of these assumptions would surprise me coming from an ignorant mind such as this one. |
f**k I KNEW WE PLANNED THAT TSUNAMI! GOD I HATE AMERICA |
nah, that was earth, scratchin this itch while its still got a chance, wouldn't you? |
Thats right folks the world is comign to an end and its ALL OUR FAULT. You heard it here first from our wise friend Melee. |
lol, yep you'd better straighten your act out, .. or mother earth is gona getcha!
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Posted: 01/27/05 - 13:55 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it.
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| cheese wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it. |
Yah, saddam was quite a gassy man.
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| cheese wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it. |
Quite instersting views. Vekril fails to mention who supported Saddam during Iran-Iraq conflict. What country that pumped in money into Iraq during that war. Hell, I tend to believe he is just as naive as the racists that says the holocaust never took place. The US payed for more or less everything Saddam did during Iran-Iraq conflict. So basically, if Saddam used gas on the iranian army, it was sanctioned by the US.
And for the next quote...could this be the reason for why the US are blamed for not stopping Saddam when he used this gas...indirectly provided by the US?
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| Luthar01 wrote: | | cheese wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it. |
Quite instersting views. Vekril fails to mention who supported Saddam during Iran-Iraq conflict. What country that pumped in money into Iraq during that war. Hell, I tend to believe he is just as naive as the racists that says the holocaust never took place. The US payed for more or less everything Saddam did during Iran-Iraq conflict. So basically, if Saddam used gas on the iranian army, it was sanctioned by the US.
And for the next quote...could this be the reason for why the US are blamed for not stopping Saddam when he used this gas...indirectly provided by the US? |
Cut and paste from article
Iraq was then seen as a secular bulwark against the Islamic regime in Teheran. It had the support of East and West and of the whole Arab world except Syria. All the Western countries were supplying it with arms and funds. France was particularly zealous in this respect. Not content with selling Mirages and helicopters to Iraq, it even lent the regime Super Etendard aircraft in the middle of its war with Iran. Germany supplied Baghdad with a large part of the technology required for the production of chemical weapons. And in an unusual display of East-West military cooperation, German engineers enhanced the performance of the Scud aircraft which Iraq had obtained from the Soviet Union, increasing their range so that they could strike at Teheran and other distant Iranian cities.
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| cheese wrote: | | Luthar01 wrote: | | cheese wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it. |
Quite instersting views. Vekril fails to mention who supported Saddam during Iran-Iraq conflict. What country that pumped in money into Iraq during that war. Hell, I tend to believe he is just as naive as the racists that says the holocaust never took place. The US payed for more or less everything Saddam did during Iran-Iraq conflict. So basically, if Saddam used gas on the iranian army, it was sanctioned by the US.
And for the next quote...could this be the reason for why the US are blamed for not stopping Saddam when he used this gas...indirectly provided by the US? |
Cut and paste from article
Iraq was then seen as a secular bulwark against the Islamic regime in Teheran. It had the support of East and West and of the whole Arab world except Syria. All the Western countries were supplying it with arms and funds. France was particularly zealous in this respect. Not content with selling Mirages and helicopters to Iraq, it even lent the regime Super Etendard aircraft in the middle of its war with Iran. Germany supplied Baghdad with a large part of the technology required for the production of chemical weapons. And in an unusual display of East-West military cooperation, German engineers enhanced the performance of the Scud aircraft which Iraq had obtained from the Soviet Union, increasing their range so that they could strike at Teheran and other distant Iranian cities. |
wow so we can't blame the US for everything anymore??
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| Tura wrote: | | cheese wrote: | | Luthar01 wrote: | | cheese wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | | Unless my memory is failing me, Saddam gassed the Kurds AFTER the Iran-Iraq war. He used the gas against the Iranian army during their war. The gassing of the Kurds was one of hte many reasons beyond WMD that was cited before the current Iraq invasion. |
Actually he did during and after. The Kurds where supported by Iran.
Started in 1980 up to the gulf war, then he did it again after the gulf war in 1998 thats when the us started a second bombing campaign.
He had actually done it right after the gulf war as well when the Kurds tried a uprising . The US was blamed for not stepping in a stopping it. |
Quite instersting views. Vekril fails to mention who supported Saddam during Iran-Iraq conflict. What country that pumped in money into Iraq during that war. Hell, I tend to believe he is just as naive as the racists that says the holocaust never took place. The US payed for more or less everything Saddam did during Iran-Iraq conflict. So basically, if Saddam used gas on the iranian army, it was sanctioned by the US.
And for the next quote...could this be the reason for why the US are blamed for not stopping Saddam when he used this gas...indirectly provided by the US? |
Cut and paste from article
Iraq was then seen as a secular bulwark against the Islamic regime in Teheran. It had the support of East and West and of the whole Arab world except Syria. All the Western countries were supplying it with arms and funds. France was particularly zealous in this respect. Not content with selling Mirages and helicopters to Iraq, it even lent the regime Super Etendard aircraft in the middle of its war with Iran. Germany supplied Baghdad with a large part of the technology required for the production of chemical weapons. And in an unusual display of East-West military cooperation, German engineers enhanced the performance of the Scud aircraft which Iraq had obtained from the Soviet Union, increasing their range so that they could strike at Teheran and other distant Iranian cities. |
wow so we can't blame the US for everything anymore?? |
no one said that. All I'm saying is that it was not just the US.
"indirectly provided by the US?" don't beat around the bush just f*****g say it. yes we are to blame with a lot of other countries as well, but I don't hear you bad mouthing them do I. Hence to my original statement that you called "stupid and unintelligent comment I have ever seen" but it still appears to be true.
You act as if no other nation does wrong in the world, and we only do things to protect out interest, but guess what all nations do. But we also do other things that don't protect our interest as well, but they don't bring up people views on the US cause once you have a bad view of something no matter what you see and hear you are most likely not to believe it. Hence a lot of the problems with US and Iraq and that area of the world. Most people will never take the chance to meet someone from that country and see that they are not what the media made them out to be.
But at that time IRAN made the shit list of the US with the taken of hostages in 1979. So for them to take over OIL fields in that area would have been a bad thing for the US and other countries as well hence while so many supported IRAQ in this war.
And one more thing Iraq was using Chemical weapons starting in the 70's when the US had no relations with IRAQ. They were on our shit list from 67.
here is another cut and paste to show more.
Iraq's army was primarily armed with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and her satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from the Soviets and France [1], as well as from the People's Republic of China, Egypt, Germany, and other sources (including European facilities for making and/or enhancing chemical weapons). Germany [2] along with other Western countries (among them Britain, France, Italy, and the United States), provided Iraq with biological and chemical weapons and the precursors to nuclear capabilities. Much of Iraq's financial backing came from other Arab states, notably oil-rich Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
Starting in 1982 with Iranian success on the battle field, the United States changed its less announced policy of backing Iraq to a clear direct support, supplying it with intelligence, economic aid, normalizing relations with the government (broken during the 1967 Six-Day War), allegedly also supplying weapons.
Much of what Saddam received from the West however was not arms per se, but so-called dual-use technology -- ultra sophisticated computers, armored ambulances, helicopters, chemicals, and the like, with potential civilian uses as well as military applications. It is now known that a vast network of companies, based in the US and abroad, eagerly fed the Iraqi war machine right up until August 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Following the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, Iraq was extremely indebted to several Arab countries, including a $14 billion debt to Kuwait. Iraq hoped to repay its debts by raising the price of oil through OPEC oil production cuts, but instead, Kuwait increased production, lowering prices, in an attempt to leverage a better resolution of their border dispute. In addition, Iraq charged that Kuwait had taken advantage of the Iran-Iraq War to drill for oil and build military outposts on Iraqi soil near Kuwait. Furthermore, Iraq charged that it had performed a collective service for all Arabs by acting as a buffer against Iran and that therefore Kuwait and Saudi Arabia should negotiate or cancel Iraq's war debts.
I guess if we had just given them the money to pay off their debts then the gulf war wouldn't have happened and everyone would be f*****g happy.....
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I know you're not saying it, believe me, I agree with your opinion on this. I said it with a tone of sarcasm implying that the US does take alot more blame than it should be dealt around the world.
Its like Frances current stand on Iraq. According to the French ambassador last night, they are willing to supply weapon arms of all sorts right now, and possibly french police after 2005, but not willing to put warm bodies over there to uphold order until the Iraqi people can manage themselves. Thats cowardice imo. Then you've got the Italians trying to make up their mind with 'should we stay or should be go'. At least the US shows some backbone and courage when situations like this happen in the current world. You know, for all the mistakes the US may have made in foreign relations I think we can honestly amount our success stories much higher than our failures.
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Posted: 01/28/05 - 21:50 Post subject:
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You guys must be kidding me? Uphold order in Iraq, is that what US is doing there? From what the newsreporting says, 99% of the shit happening in Iraq today are attacks on US troops. This tells me that Iraq dont want US there, and it also tells me that if US backs out of the occupation of that country most of the attacks would stop...but then again, it wont be so close to the oil. Neither would companies like the Carlysle Group be a money pig for the Bush family AND the Bin Laden family....interesting connection between Bush and Bin Laden...
And I dont find your cut&pastes worth anything as long as you dont provide a source
And I never said no other countries beside US is to blame for anything mentioned...I just met the argument saying that US is not to blame...They definately are to blame
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