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Reebo
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 12:36 Post subject: Two Face Penalty in $500,000 Slave Reparations Case
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WARSAW, Va. - Crystal Foster's father advised her to spend the $500,000 income tax refund she got two years ago. When the government came looking for its money, the Fosters said it was their rightful reparations, since their ancestors were slaves.
Though there is no federal reparations program, Foster had spent the money in eight days, buying a $40,000 Mercedes Benz, paying off her student loans and helping her brother pay for his first year at Virginia Tech.
Foster's father, Robert Lee Foster, prepared her tax forms and was convicted along with his daughter of trying to defraud the government. He maintains he did the right thing.
"Black people are not treated as humans, but as things by the U.S. government," he said in an interview at the Northern Neck Regional Jail. "We were used as resources to enrich this country and we get no inheritance from the wealth we brought."
According to the Internal Revenue Service (news - web sites), more than 80,000 tax returns were filed in 2001 seeking nonexistent slavery tax credits, totaling $2.7 billion. More than $30 million was mistakenly paid out in slave reparations in 2000 and part of 2001.
That number dropped significantly last year after stepped-up scrutiny of tax returns and an aggressive media campaign targeted against scam artists promising to secure tax credits for blacks.
But the government has also begun quietly cracking down on filers of false claims after years of looking the other way.
Foster and his daughter each were convicted in July of conspiracy to defraud the government. Robert Foster also was convicted of four counts and Crystal Foster of one count of making false claims.
Both were scheduled to be sentenced in U.S. District Court in Richmond on Thursday. Defendants in similar cases have received up to seven years in prison.
The case against Robert Foster has taken several bizarre turns.
Foster renounced his U.S. citizenship in jail and professed allegiance to the Moab Tiara Cherokee Kituwah Nation, an obscure Charlotte, N.C., group whose members claim they are descendants of African Moors who came to the New World before European colonialists.
Foster filed papers in U.S. District Court seeking to vacate the judgment against him based on lack of jurisdiction by the U.S. government. The judge rejected the motion.
Foster also tried unsuccessfully to fire his attorney, Thomas Johnson, and hire an "indigenous attorney" who identified himself as justice secretary for the Kituwah Nation.
Foster, a 51-year-old tax return preparer, said he endured years of racial discrimination during his career with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (news - web sites) hospital in Richmond. In 2000, he sued his former employer, claiming he was passed over for promotion as an accountant because he was black. The case was settled for $5,000, leaving Foster bitter.
"I was picked out to be harassed," he said. "I was always outspoken."
Foster, who admitted he called U.S. District Judge Richard L. Williams a "white devil" in court, said he doesn't hate anybody. "But I do hate the actions of some people."
The issue of slavery reparations has long simmered in the United States, but some say it may be gaining momentum.
Blacks last year filed lawsuits in several states against a number of large corporations, alleging they profited from slavery for two centuries and that blacks should be compensated.
More recently, Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said that if elected president he would order a study of reparations for descendants of slaves.
IRS spokeswoman Michelle Lamishaw said the idea of filing reparations claims may have originated with a 1993 Essence magazine editorial urging blacks to seek refunds of $43,206 per household as a delinquent tax rebate. The magazine said the figure was the modern-day equivalent of 40 acres and a mule, which Congress voted to give former slaves following the Civil War. The deal was vetoed by President Andrew Johnson.
Foster said he increased the total tenfold to account for inflation. According to the U.S. attorney's office, Foster prepared returns claiming more than $3.6 million in reparations, most for about $500,000 each.
In the refund that was mistakenly paid out, 25-year-old Crystal Foster claimed she had overpaid taxes on long-term capital gains in 2000. She listed the fictitious "Black Capital Investments" fund of the U.S. Treasury as the source of the gains.
Foster received her refund check in October 2001. Prosecutors say only about half the money has been recovered.
Johnson, Robert Foster's attorney, declined to comment on the case. But Foster said from jail he did not believe he broke the law.
"This was not an effort to defraud the U.S. government," he said. "This was purely a protest against the U.S. government."
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Somebody should tell Mr. Foster that the IRS treats everybody like "things", not just black people
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Janoth
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 12:51 Post subject:
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I hope he enjoys his time in jail =)
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Renork
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 12:52 Post subject:
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the best would be if he got stuck doing manual labor lmao
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 12:58 Post subject:
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reebo, if you support that democrat, i'll kill you
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Reebo
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:00 Post subject:
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I already voted for him twice.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:18 Post subject:
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Slave reparations would start another civil war
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Renork
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:22 Post subject:
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in the event of something like this passing, what would happen if someone traced their liniage back to slavary yet found that they were fathered by the slave owner?
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Janoth
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:28 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Slave reparations would start another civil war |
Finally, an excuse to kill ppl without going to prison!
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compusmack
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:34 Post subject:
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Slave reparations are the biggest crock of shit idea ever. Earn your own damn money, don't scam it from those of us who do.
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:47 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Slave reparations would start another civil war |
I'm ready.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:48 Post subject:
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if there's gonna be another civil war, i'm getting out of hispanicville and moving to the NE
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khrath
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 13:52 Post subject:
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It was legal to own slaves.
Hands down, there is nothing that can make people accountable for only doing what the law allowed.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 14:08 Post subject:
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<img src="http://www.tac-ord.com/MP5-accessories1.jpg">
Placing my order now
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Krumble
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 14:13 Post subject:
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| Tinkle wrote: | | the best would be if he got stuck doing manual labor lmao |
the best would be if the two of them got stuck doing manual labor for 10-15 years each. Just enough so that their 500,000 check turns out equivalent to minimum wage pay for x number of years minus taxes. Then it would own if they waited until they got out to repo the benz, their house, and all of their possessions.
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khrath
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 14:23 Post subject:
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kill the damn porch monkeys!
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Sunkorzien
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 15:11 Post subject:
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I want my reparations from the Egyptians, Babylonians, and Germans.
STOP WHINING, GOD DAMNIT.
Why the f**k can't these morons realize that it was their own tribal leaders that sold them out in the first place for the most part. Go get your reparations in the form of goats or something from them.
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Reebo
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 15:12 Post subject:
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I don't think it would be a civil war more like a race war. The question is what side would non-blacks and white fight on.
In the KKK's idea of a race war they would lose because they hate anyone non-white that's way to many people to fight.
Then you have those scary people who wouldnt fight or run away and hide until it's all over. The world would burn and we would all lose.
But since more blacks don't even consider this an issue it won't happen only a small part will keep b******g and whining and doing things like this so white people can b***h and whine about black people.
The circle of shit.
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Hobbet
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 16:09 Post subject:
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f*****g n*****s should spend their own money instead of the goverments. I mean they are all basically on welfare which comes out of someone like me (who actually went to schools) taxes. Welfare came about during the great depression to help people from starving to death and now n*****s adopted it as their career because they are f*****g social parasites.
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Zapper
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 16:38 Post subject:
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How much of our tax $$ are going towards keeping them in jail now? PLus the fact that they will not pay taxes f any kind now (sales, payroll, etc) We lose either way.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 16:39 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | How much of our tax $$ are going towards keeping them in jail now? PLus the fact that they will not pay taxes f any kind now (sales, payroll, etc) We lose either way. |
Even if they were out of jail, we wouldn't be getting any taxes from them.
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Zapper
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 16:44 Post subject:
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Everytime you buy something you payt some form of tax
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 16:52 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | Everytime you buy something you payt some form of tax |
Unless you buy it on the black market! Ba-doom-cha! I'll be here all night, folks.
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Docter
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 17:16 Post subject:
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Adding more fuel to the fire...
| Quote: | (NC)Chapel Hill Lawyer Says Property Tax Should Consider Slavery
WRAL TV 5 ^ | 10/9/2003 | AP
Posted on 10/11/2003 3:39 PM PDT by mtbrandon49
Chapel Hill Lawyer Says Property Tax Should Consider Slavery (Lawyer Represents Descendants Of Slaves Owned By Former UNC President's Family)
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- A civil rights lawyer contends that Orange County's method of assessing fair market value without considering a family's history of slavery is an example of racial discrimination.
Alan McSurely took the tack in an effort to overturn the tax assessment of property owned by the Fred Battle family. The Battles are descendants of slaves owned by the family of University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill President Kemp P. Battle. McSurely said anti-discrimination language added to the state constitution in 1971 obligates the state to eliminate inequalities that are the vestiges of slavery.
McSurely argued that the assessment of the Battle's property must consider their history of slavery, segregation and employment inequities.
"They don't take into consideration the Battle family, or why black people have no capital," McSurely said after filing the brief last week.
The method, he said, has caused the Battle property tax bill to jump from less than a couple of hundred dollars a year to $4,670 annually. The assessment could force the family to part with the long-held property.
The Battles own a modest one-story green house on 1½ acres close to Chapel Hill's downtown. The street that shields it is lined with apartments, condominiums and houses.
The county assessed the property at $148,923 in 1997. Over the next five years, home prices skyrocketed, in part thanks to a purchase by former UNC System President C.D. Spangler Jr. Spangler paid $1 million -- more than three times the tax value -- for a nearby house.
The county then assessed the Battle property at $279,406 in 2002, vastly increasing the family tax bill.
"We're not asking for preferential treatment," Fred Battle, president of the Chapel Hill-Carrboro NAACP, said. "We're not asking to be overtaxed either. I shouldn't have to be forced to sell the property my parents obtained by the sweat of their bones."
McSurely added, "When policymakers fail to consider what everybody knows, it's not colorblind. It's feigned ignorance or feigned blindness."
The county has 30 days to respond to Battle's brief, which asks the Court of Appeals to devise a solution that will allow the family to keep the property.
The lawyer representing the county did not immediately give comment. |
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Jinu
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 17:40 Post subject:
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i dunno, i think the further away we get from that era the more difficult it is to justify that sort of thing. immediately after the civil war it would have been more realistic to demand reparations.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 20:44 Post subject:
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I remember some spoof movie floating around on the internet or something about slave reparations being paid out..
..best part was like "Slave Reparations paid out Today! In other news, 12 million Cadillac Escalades were sold today.."
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 20:47 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | I remember some spoof movie floating around on the internet or something about slave reparations being paid out..
..best part was like "Slave Reparations paid out Today! In other news, 12 million Cadillac Escalades were sold today.." |
I think that was a Daily News segment from Comedy Central..."Sprint stock soared 500% today, when several million delinquent bills were suddenly paid."
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 22:20 Post subject:
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YOUR ANCESTORS ABUSED MY ANCESTORS, THEREFORE YOU OWE ME EVERYTHING YOU OWN.
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Kerabek
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 22:59 Post subject:
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actually that was the Dave Chapelle Show, cuz the guy that plays craps ended up having more money than Bill Gates
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 23:54 Post subject:
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| Kerabek wrote: | | actually that was the Dave Chapelle Show, cuz the guy that plays craps ended up having more money than Bill Gates |
Oh yeah...
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Haphasto
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Posted: 10/24/03 - 23:56 Post subject:
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| Kerabek wrote: | | actually that was the Dave Chapelle Show, cuz the guy that plays craps ended up having more money than Bill Gates |
Very funny episode, I love when Chappelle plays a white guy, i.e. The News Reporter, and by far the funniest, the Trading Spouses husband.
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