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lauren000
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 Posted: 06/27/04 - 13:21 Post subject: Trashing good Soldiers
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<http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-gay26jun26.story>
June 26, 2004
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Trashing Good Soldiers
While military leaders are extending tours for troops already exhausted
after months in Iraq and calling up more units for active duty, a new
study
finds that 770 otherwise qualified soldiers were drummed out of the
services
last year because of their **** orientation. The hypocrisy of the
1993
compromise that allows homosexuals in the military as long as they stay
in
the closet was obvious from its adoption. The damage this policy is now
doing to stretched-thin units and to gay men and women who want to
serve
is
inexcusable.
About 10,000 military personnel have been discharged under "don't ask,
don't
tell" since it took effect. The policy forbids gay soldiers to declare
their
**** orientation or to act on it. In many cases, commanders and
fellow
soldiers have forced these declarations by spying on off-duty
colleagues,
rummaging through their personal journals or simply by taunting them
into an
admission. Discharge automatically follows.
In their study, researchers at UC Santa Barbara analyzed federal
discharge
data from between 1998 and 2003. They found that among the 6,273
soldiers
the nation fired during those years under this policy of legalized
discrimination were these highly trained men and women: 88 linguists,
including several Arab-language specialists; 49 nuclear, biological and
chemical warfare experts; 90 nuclear power engineers; 150 rocket,
missile
and other artillery specialists; and 340 infantrymen.
Jadon Hartsuff is among them. The Los Angeles-area man was learning
Mandarin
Chinese at Monterey's Defense Language Institute last summer, training
to be
an Army interrogator. After enduring questions from his sergeant and
humiliating rumors, the 26-year-old admitted he was gay. He was put on
a
cleaning detail until his mandatory discharge, on Halloween.
He now works in food sales and marketing ‹ another man whose talent and
skills the Army has wasted.
The rationale for this mean-spirited policy is that openly homosexual
soldiers would undermine unit cohesion. Straight men and women would
fear
**** intimidation from their gay colleagues, eroding the trust
necessary
among buddies in combat.
The potential for coercion was always a flimsy excuse for what is
really
homophobia. And in the wake of the very real coercion, ****
humiliation
and abuse that heterosexual U.S. soldiers perpetrated on Iraqi
detainees
in
Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, it makes no sense at all. |
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Confused
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 14:01 Post subject:
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Why was this thread entitled "trashing good soldiers"? It's about gays.
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Silvermouse
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Lauren, you're doing that thing where someone posts a link hoping to enlighten people, but the people don't care. Please don't do that thing, because we are the people and we don't care. 
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Frehya
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I care, its a big effing waste of our nation's re$ource$ to kick out highly trained, functioning people from our armed forces just because they "might" and a "what if" and we are "afraid they will, and we don't approve of their "lifestyle blah blah". Its okay if males hassle women in the armed forces for **** though!
What happened to don't ask don't tell?
But its true, nobody here cares, so you are wasting your time, unless you like more meaningless polarized responsive jerkoff drivel for the boards. 
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merdocc
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Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse.
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Alerik
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 14:26 Post subject:
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I care. I think if a limp wristed dude is good at soldiering, let them stay.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 15:26 Post subject:
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Maybe my post wasn't clear. Sure, everyone should be able to fight for their country, but we here at Realpoor don't want a topic about it. Think of the thousands and thousands of Confused's topics about politics!
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lauren000
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Maybe my post wasn't clear. Sure, everyone should be able to fight for their country, but we here at Realpoor don't want a topic about it. Think of the thousands and thousands of Confused's topics about politics! |
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Idiot.
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Nemo
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 17:48 Post subject:
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Squid.
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Tolanin
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on a positive side note, openly claiming your gay while in the military would be an excelent way to legally draft dodge... i mean an honorable discharge guarunteed, its definitly a double edged sword for you liberals
on the one hand you have an easy way to get people out of the army who dont want to be there that doesnt involve canada (and i am sure you all love that) but on the other you have the very small percent of real gays who are hurt by this... decisions, decisions.
"Ok hello highly trained and speciallized soldiers, you have spent years and millions of government dollars learning your fields, you are now being called upon to go to Iraq and possibly die for your country."
"Sarg I am gay and like butt **** with men"
"Well Private, your not going to Iraq anymore. Instead you will be discharged and your training will be available to you still and you will be able to use it in the private sector in order to make many times the amount of money we are currently paying you, if that doesnt sound bad enough you are also not going to have the opertunity to die for your country. I really hope you think about all the things you've lost the next time you voilate a policy of ours."
Also i do believe the unit cohesion thing, females are female and the desires for them between the males dont really come into play unless the males in the unit are competeing for the female, thats something the commander can watch and regulate, with a gay in the unit the feelings that break up the cohesion, the feeling of not being able to fully trust the other person are there all the time. it might not be fair but straight guys just dont trust gays as much as they trust their other straight buddy or a female in the unit.. a female would generally be looked on as a sister and you usually trust a sister... a gay is an outsider.
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Akronn
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Also i do believe the unit cohesion thing, females are female and the desires for them between the males dont really come into play unless the males in the unit are competeing for the female.... |
No, if there's women in the company, there's men who will want to bang them. Lots and lots of men.
Doesn't have to be any competition, 'cause there's plenty 'o sharing!
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Xion
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What's wrong with homophobia again? Someone explain it to me.
I have no problem with gay men...until I realise they do each other in the ass.
Lesbians = hot
f**s = gross
Guys weren't meant to have dicks up their butts, sorry.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 19:04 Post subject:
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| Xion wrote: | What's wrong with homophobia again? Someone explain it to me.
I have no problem with gay men...until I realise they do each other in the ass.
Lesbians = hot
f**s = gross
Guys weren't meant to have dicks up their butts, sorry. |
even if the d**k is part of a strap on worn by an insanely hot super model?
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merdocc
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It would depend on the size of the strap on and if I got to f**k her in the ass first.
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Manuva
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| merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k?
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Tolanin
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| Manuva wrote: | | merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k? |
i think you fail to understand the mentality of many people. the answer to your first question is irrelivant, the answer to your second is no, the answer to your third depends. A person wants comradery with people also like them, you dont seek to be friends and depend on people who you dont understand, you want to be friends with people you do understand and who are like you. A bond of trust which exists is hurt by having an openly gay person in a unit, you see examples of this in lots of social situations, you dont generally hang out chattin with the gay guy at the party.
By the time your wounded or under fire i doubt that kind of thing is on your mind. but I think you fail to grasp the mental preperation that is required before going into such a situation, you want to enter into a fight wondering if you can depend on a person or not fully trusting the person next to you. Whether the feeling of non trust is right, accurate, or logical does not matter, the fact is that it exists and must be addressed.
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lauren000
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k? |
i think you fail to understand the mentality of many people. the answer to your first question is irrelivant, the answer to your second is no, the answer to your third depends. A person wants comradery with people also like them, you dont seek to be friends and depend on people who you dont understand, you want to be friends with people you do understand and who are like you. A bond of trust which exists is hurt by having an openly gay person in a unit, you see examples of this in lots of social situations, you dont generally hang out chattin with the gay guy at the party.
By the time your wounded or under fire i doubt that kind of thing is on your mind. but I think you fail to grasp the mental preperation that is required before going into such a situation, you want to enter into a fight wondering if you can depend on a person or not fully trusting the person next to you. Whether the feeling of non trust is right, accurate, or logical does not matter, the fact is that it exists and must be addressed. |
In my mind the guy who can't adapt to the situation is the one who shouldn't be a soldier. This same argument was made for keeping blacks as cooks.
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Tolanin
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k? |
i think you fail to understand the mentality of many people. the answer to your first question is irrelivant, the answer to your second is no, the answer to your third depends. A person wants comradery with people also like them, you dont seek to be friends and depend on people who you dont understand, you want to be friends with people you do understand and who are like you. A bond of trust which exists is hurt by having an openly gay person in a unit, you see examples of this in lots of social situations, you dont generally hang out chattin with the gay guy at the party.
By the time your wounded or under fire i doubt that kind of thing is on your mind. but I think you fail to grasp the mental preperation that is required before going into such a situation, you want to enter into a fight wondering if you can depend on a person or not fully trusting the person next to you. Whether the feeling of non trust is right, accurate, or logical does not matter, the fact is that it exists and must be addressed. |
In my mind the guy who can't adapt to the situation is the one who shouldn't be a soldier. This same argument was made for keeping blacks as cooks. |
i know for a fact i dont feel comfortable around gays and i think a good portion of guys dont either, the arguement for keeping blacks as cooks was probably valid at the time but times change, people no longer feel that way about blacks and maybe someday people will not feel that way about gays, if that time occurs then i would suport getting rid of the policy, but as of the current momeny that is simply not the case and getting rid of the majority to save the minority is retarded, you cant adapt on a whim.
Anyway your view of the situation is not valid because you do not have the perspective of the average soldier nor do you choose to look through that perspective in order to evaluate the least costly course of action. You simply want fairness for people you view to be like yourself (outcast), which makes you biased. This arguement is not about fairness, its about effectiveness.
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Krumble
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 22:30 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | i know for a fact i dont feel comfortable around gays and i think a good portion of guys dont either, the arguement for keeping blacks as cooks was probably valid at the time but times change, people no longer feel that way about blacks and maybe someday people will not feel that way about gays, if that time occurs then i would suport getting rid of the policy, but as of the current momeny that is simply not the case and getting rid of the majority to save the minority is retarded, you cant adapt on a whim.
Anyway your view of the situation is not valid because you do not have the perspective of the average soldier nor do you choose to look through that perspective in order to evaluate the least costly course of action. You simply want fairness for people you view to be like yourself (outcast), which makes you biased. This arguement is not about fairness, its about effectiveness. |
Tolanin, you're like 17 years old and attend an upper scale private school in southern-most Alabama. Do you even know a gay person?
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| Krumble wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | i know for a fact i dont feel comfortable around gays and i think a good portion of guys dont either, the arguement for keeping blacks as cooks was probably valid at the time but times change, people no longer feel that way about blacks and maybe someday people will not feel that way about gays, if that time occurs then i would suport getting rid of the policy, but as of the current momeny that is simply not the case and getting rid of the majority to save the minority is retarded, you cant adapt on a whim.
Anyway your view of the situation is not valid because you do not have the perspective of the average soldier nor do you choose to look through that perspective in order to evaluate the least costly course of action. You simply want fairness for people you view to be like yourself (outcast), which makes you biased. This arguement is not about fairness, its about effectiveness. |
Tolanin, you're like 17 years old and attend an upper scale private school in southern-most Alabama. Do you even know a gay person? |
I don't know any gay people and I live in the second gayest city in the country.
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| Confused wrote: | | Krumble wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | i know for a fact i dont feel comfortable around gays and i think a good portion of guys dont either, the arguement for keeping blacks as cooks was probably valid at the time but times change, people no longer feel that way about blacks and maybe someday people will not feel that way about gays, if that time occurs then i would suport getting rid of the policy, but as of the current momeny that is simply not the case and getting rid of the majority to save the minority is retarded, you cant adapt on a whim.
Anyway your view of the situation is not valid because you do not have the perspective of the average soldier nor do you choose to look through that perspective in order to evaluate the least costly course of action. You simply want fairness for people you view to be like yourself (outcast), which makes you biased. This arguement is not about fairness, its about effectiveness. |
Tolanin, you're like 17 years old and attend an upper scale private school in southern-most Alabama. Do you even know a gay person? |
I don't know any gay people and I live in the second gayest city in the country. |
Eh, I'm from the same city as Tolanin and went to a high school that was part of the same social circle. I know for a fact that the town, and especially these 2 schools in particular, are not even on the map in terms of gay population (besides reports of drunken girl-on-girl action at parties).
Now that I've thought about it, I don't think I know a gay person either. Though our 8th grade art teacher was always a little suspicious..
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"I think anyone stupid enough to join the military should be allowed to" - bill hicks.
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k? |
i think you fail to understand the mentality of many people. the answer to your first question is irrelivant, the answer to your second is no, the answer to your third depends. A person wants comradery with people also like them, you dont seek to be friends and depend on people who you dont understand, you want to be friends with people you do understand and who are like you. A bond of trust which exists is hurt by having an openly gay person in a unit, you see examples of this in lots of social situations, you dont generally hang out chattin with the gay guy at the party.
By the time your wounded or under fire i doubt that kind of thing is on your mind. but I think you fail to grasp the mental preperation that is required before going into such a situation, you want to enter into a fight wondering if you can depend on a person or not fully trusting the person next to you. Whether the feeling of non trust is right, accurate, or logical does not matter, the fact is that it exists and must be addressed. |
But if the guy next to you in your unit is gay, you wouldn't know about it.
Don't ask, don't tell.
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no one answered my question
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| Xion wrote: | | no one answered my question |
nothing is.
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| lotek wrote: | | "I think anyone stupid enough to join the military should be allowed to" - bill hicks. |
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Posted: 06/28/04 - 01:13 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | merdocc wrote: | | Why can't you understand that gays put an unstable element in a cohesive military unit jeezus. you are just f*****g ignorant. Gay rights yeah whatever not in war. At least you aren't having to use seperate bathrooms! That last bit was sarcasm but you get the point it could be worse. |
How many cohesive military units have you been a part of to be able to judge a gay man as an unstable element?
If you didn't know a man was gay, would he still be an unstable element?
If you got shot in the leg, would you really give a shit if the guy carrying your or laying down cover fire so you can be pulled to safety liked to suck d**k? |
i think you fail to understand the mentality of many people. the answer to your first question is irrelivant, the answer to your second is no, the answer to your third depends. A person wants comradery with people also like them, you dont seek to be friends and depend on people who you dont understand, you want to be friends with people you do understand and who are like you. A bond of trust which exists is hurt by having an openly gay person in a unit, you see examples of this in lots of social situations, you dont generally hang out chattin with the gay guy at the party.
By the time your wounded or under fire i doubt that kind of thing is on your mind. but I think you fail to grasp the mental preperation that is required before going into such a situation, you want to enter into a fight wondering if you can depend on a person or not fully trusting the person next to you. Whether the feeling of non trust is right, accurate, or logical does not matter, the fact is that it exists and must be addressed. |
But if the guy next to you in your unit is gay, you wouldn't know about it.
Don't ask, don't tell. |
and as long as you dont know the system works... but as soon as you find out the system no longer works. Your arguement will be 'but they treated him good before they knew he was gay but he was still gay and is the same person so they shouldnt worry now that they know' sadly this is not the way the human mind works and finding out something that big leads to a sense of betrayal.. which effectively knocks out the trust the person had built up before, and now because the unit knows the person is gay they no longer look at the guy the same way anymore and he is unable to build the trust he lost back up again. Which in effect makes him a liability.. unfortunately most people do not have enough control of there emotions and enough of a grasp of logic to realize and actually believe that the person they knew before and the person they know now are in fact the same except for the fact that they know more about the person now.
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| Krumble wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Krumble wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | i know for a fact i dont feel comfortable around gays and i think a good portion of guys dont either, the arguement for keeping blacks as cooks was probably valid at the time but times change, people no longer feel that way about blacks and maybe someday people will not feel that way about gays, if that time occurs then i would suport getting rid of the policy, but as of the current momeny that is simply not the case and getting rid of the majority to save the minority is retarded, you cant adapt on a whim.
Anyway your view of the situation is not valid because you do not have the perspective of the average soldier nor do you choose to look through that perspective in order to evaluate the least costly course of action. You simply want fairness for people you view to be like yourself (outcast), which makes you biased. This arguement is not about fairness, its about effectiveness. |
Tolanin, you're like 17 years old and attend an upper scale private school in southern-most Alabama. Do you even know a gay person? |
I don't know any gay people and I live in the second gayest city in the country. |
Eh, I'm from the same city as Tolanin and went to a high school that was part of the same social circle. I know for a fact that the town, and especially these 2 schools in particular, are not even on the map in terms of gay population (besides reports of drunken girl-on-girl action at parties).
Now that I've thought about it, I don't think I know a gay person either. Though our 8th grade art teacher was always a little suspicious.. |
so krumble please inform me where you think i am from, i would enlighten you right away but I want to play this out a little bit.
and xion the answer to your question doesnt really exist except to say that whether its right or wrong or not depends on your point of view, you would need to add context for the question to be answerable otherwise its just a discussion of 'is anything actually right or wrong?'
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