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Tamena
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 Posted: 01/27/04 - 08:39 Post subject: This sums up Realpoor perfectly!! *sorry if it's old*
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How many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?
1 to change the light bulb.
1 to post that the light bulb has been changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.
53 to flame the spell checkers.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct.
156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy".
109 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please takethis discussion to a lightbulb forum.
203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb forum about changing light bulbs be stopped.
111 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty.
27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.
14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URLs.
27 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.
33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three".
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
44 to ask what is a "FAQ"?
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
143 to say "do a search on 'light bulbs' before posting questions about light bulbs".
and 1 new forum member to respond to the original post 6 months from now and to start it all over again.
*edit to get rid of the excess spacing.*
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 08:50 Post subject:
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I use long lasting light bulbs whenever possible.
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Celestra
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 08:53 Post subject:
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you forgot:
3 to post "repost" with relevant links to older threads
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NickPSH
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 09:29 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | I use long lasting light bulbs whenever possible.
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The bulb package should have an average life expectancy printed on it. The typical light bulb is good for roughly 900 hours. At 10 hours a day that's three months. At 24 hours a day it's a little more than a month. If you have 25 bulbs in your house burning an average of three hours each day, a bulb will burn out every twelve days, on average.
If you compute the average life of your bulbs and discover it's clearly less than the manufacturer's rated life, then you may have:
You may have over-voltage in your house. Occasionally this causes more serious problems. You can get a cheap multimeter at Radio Shack. If the voltage is 125V or higher, talk to the power company about it. 7 or 8 extra volts on a 120V line will cut the bulb life expectancy in half. If it's a slight over-voltage, you can buy special 125V or 130V bulbs, though sometimes they're hard to find.
Too high a wattage bulb in too small an enclosed fixture (such as a globe), the heat can't get out--the bulb burns too hot, leading to short bulb life.
Recessed lighting fixtures often get covered by attic insulation. This blocks the intended ventilation method--heat can build up around the bulb, causing short bulb life.
A vibration problem. Such as, bulbs under a heavily used stairway, on or near an out of balance bathroom or ceiling fan, near a door that gets slammed, kids upstairs jumping, etc. You can buy special shock resistant, also called "rough service" bulbs, for this situation, or try one of the new miniature s***w-in fluorescent bulbs.
Flickering. Intermittent electrical contact can cause flickering. It's like turning the light on-and-off constantly, and will reduce bulb life. It can be caused by a bad light socket, or a poor electrical connection somewhere in the wires leading to the light (most likely right at the fixture). Flickering can cause the bad connection to get hot and possibly start a fire. If you don't locate the cause of the flickering and it affects all or many lights, you could have a bad neutral connection -- a dangerous situation. Have either the electric company or an electrician check it out.
Trivia Break
Most lights flicker all the time but you don't realize it because of a psychological phenomenon called 'flicker fusion frequency.' The flicker fusion frequency is usually about 25 hertz (cycles-per-second). A light that turns on-and-off (flickers) faster than 25 times per second will appear to be on, steady. Your home's 60 cycle AC turns on and off 120 times a second, though it is only off momentarily, it's increasing or decreasing the rest of the time. If you use a dimmer switch it turns the power to the light completely off for a while 120 times a second. Of course, incandescent lights don't have time to cool down to dark during these brief off times but, they dim and brighten. Early movies were too few frames per second, that's why they flicker. Whereas, later movies are frequent enough; so, though there are totally black moments between each frame, you don't see any flicker.
Note: The 25Hz is an ordinary/average value. It varies based on the brightness/intensity of the source and can go as high as 50-60Hz for very bright sources.
Some people sell 130 volt bulbs as 'long lasting.' If you have proper voltage, they will last longer, but they're not a good deal -- they cost more per unit of light overall. Click here for an explanation. If you want long lasting buy a compact fluorescent. Not only will it last longer you'll probably save a little $$ too.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 09:30 Post subject:
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| Tizitchy Tinkergnome wrote: |
The bulb package should have an average life expectancy printed on it. The typical light bulb is good for roughly 900 hours. At 10 hours a day that's three months. At 24 hours a day it's a little more than a month. If you have 25 bulbs in your house burning an average of three hours each day, a bulb will burn out every twelve days, on average.
If you compute the average life of your bulbs and discover it's clearly less than the manufacturer's rated life, then you may have:
You may have over-voltage in your house. Occasionally this causes more serious problems. You can get a cheap multimeter at Radio Shack. If the voltage is 125V or higher, talk to the power company about it. 7 or 8 extra volts on a 120V line will cut the bulb life expectancy in half. If it's a slight over-voltage, you can buy special 125V or 130V bulbs, though sometimes they're hard to find.
Too high a wattage bulb in too small an enclosed fixture (such as a globe), the heat can't get out--the bulb burns too hot, leading to short bulb life.
Recessed lighting fixtures often get covered by attic insulation. This blocks the intended ventilation method--heat can build up around the bulb, causing short bulb life.
A vibration problem. Such as, bulbs under a heavily used stairway, on or near an out of balance bathroom or ceiling fan, near a door that gets slammed, kids upstairs jumping, etc. You can buy special shock resistant, also called "rough service" bulbs, for this situation, or try one of the new miniature s***w-in fluorescent bulbs.
Flickering. Intermittent electrical contact can cause flickering. It's like turning the light on-and-off constantly, and will reduce bulb life. It can be caused by a bad light socket, or a poor electrical connection somewhere in the wires leading to the light (most likely right at the fixture). Flickering can cause the bad connection to get hot and possibly start a fire. If you don't locate the cause of the flickering and it affects all or many lights, you could have a bad neutral connection -- a dangerous situation. Have either the electric company or an electrician check it out.
Trivia Break
Most lights flicker all the time but you don't realize it because of a psychological phenomenon called 'flicker fusion frequency.' The flicker fusion frequency is usually about 25 hertz (cycles-per-second). A light that turns on-and-off (flickers) faster than 25 times per second will appear to be on, steady. Your home's 60 cycle AC turns on and off 120 times a second, though it is only off momentarily, it's increasing or decreasing the rest of the time. If you use a dimmer switch it turns the power to the light completely off for a while 120 times a second. Of course, incandescent lights don't have time to cool down to dark during these brief off times but, they dim and brighten. Early movies were too few frames per second, that's why they flicker. Whereas, later movies are frequent enough; so, though there are totally black moments between each frame, you don't see any flicker.
Note: The 25Hz is an ordinary/average value. It varies based on the brightness/intensity of the source and can go as high as 50-60Hz for very bright sources.
Some people sell 130 volt bulbs as 'long lasting.' If you have proper voltage, they will last longer, but they're not a good deal -- they cost more per unit of light overall. Click here for an explanation. If you want long lasting buy a compact fluorescent. Not only will it last longer you'll probably save a little $$ too. |
I got lost at "The Bulb"
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Paco
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 09:51 Post subject:
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no shit, lol
but yes, that's RP to a T
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NickPSH
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 09:53 Post subject:
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"Trivia Break
Most lights flicker all the time but you don't realize it because of a psychological phenomenon called 'flicker fusion frequency.' The flicker fusion frequency is usually about 25 hertz (cycles-per-second). A light that turns on-and-off (flickers) faster than 25 times per second will appear to be on, steady. Your home's 60 cycle AC turns on and off 120 times a second, though it is only off momentarily, it's increasing or decreasing the rest of the time. If you use a dimmer switch it turns the power to the light completely off for a while 120 times a second. Of course, incandescent lights don't have time to cool down to dark during these brief off times but, they dim and brighten. Early movies were too few frames per second, that's why they flicker. Whereas, later movies are frequent enough; so, though there are totally black moments between each frame, you don't see any flicker. "
You think I even understand this ?
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Tamrissa
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 10:03 Post subject:
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haha thanks tam, and tiz hun ... get out more, please. 
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Cryz
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:12 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | I use long lasting light bulbs whenever possible.
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not only longer lasting but more power efficent saving you money and the world power
good job...
this is all trew
go for the flurescent (spell check)
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(SP on flurescent.. not trew... i knew i mispelled true... that was totaly intentional.. im just to lazy to look up flurescent at dictionary.com.... dont flame please.. just get the light bulbs and save the world...)
EDIT: side note for caution... before handling these mircale bulbs please make sure you are informed about the dangers, and neccessary steps you need to take if a bulb breaks in your possession... for the magic inside them that makes them so great is harmful to living creatures... maybe cancer related... been awhile since 8th grade science class 
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NinjaBurger
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:14 Post subject:
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First Whineplay, then Fires of Heaven's Retarded Rickshaw forum, now here!
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NickPSH
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:26 Post subject:
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| Tamrissa wrote: | | haha thanks tam, and tiz hun ... get out more, please. |
Yeah, I know. Copying/pasting something taking all of five seconds means I really need a life change.. woe is me.. my life .. so horrid.
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Tendias
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:30 Post subject:
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farming that non-existent post count
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NickPSH
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:35 Post subject:
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| Tendias wrote: | | farming that non-existent post count |
Yeah, I was going to say.
WTS 65 Ranger
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kickass!
Then I decided on the light bulb article.
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atarom
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 20:18 Post subject:
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hahaha kikcass!
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Tendias
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Posted: 01/28/04 - 11:45 Post subject:
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| Tizitchy Tinkergnome wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | I use long lasting light bulbs whenever possible.
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The bulb package should have an average life expectancy printed on it. The typical light bulb is good for roughly 900 hours. At 10 hours a day that's three months. At 24 hours a day it's a little more than a month. If you have 25 bulbs in your house burning an average of three hours each day, a bulb will burn out every twelve days, on average.
If you compute the average life of your bulbs and discover it's clearly less than the manufacturer's rated life, then you may have:
You may have over-voltage in your house. Occasionally this causes more serious problems. You can get a cheap multimeter at Radio Shack. If the voltage is 125V or higher, talk to the power company about it. 7 or 8 extra volts on a 120V line will cut the bulb life expectancy in half. If it's a slight over-voltage, you can buy special 125V or 130V bulbs, though sometimes they're hard to find.
Too high a wattage bulb in too small an enclosed fixture (such as a globe), the heat can't get out--the bulb burns too hot, leading to short bulb life.
Recessed lighting fixtures often get covered by attic insulation. This blocks the intended ventilation method--heat can build up around the bulb, causing short bulb life.
A vibration problem. Such as, bulbs under a heavily used stairway, on or near an out of balance bathroom or ceiling fan, near a door that gets slammed, kids upstairs jumping, etc. You can buy special shock resistant, also called "rough service" bulbs, for this situation, or try one of the new miniature s***w-in fluorescent bulbs.
Flickering. Intermittent electrical contact can cause flickering. It's like turning the light on-and-off constantly, and will reduce bulb life. It can be caused by a bad light socket, or a poor electrical connection somewhere in the wires leading to the light (most likely right at the fixture). Flickering can cause the bad connection to get hot and possibly start a fire. If you don't locate the cause of the flickering and it affects all or many lights, you could have a bad neutral connection -- a dangerous situation. Have either the electric company or an electrician check it out.
Trivia Break
Most lights flicker all the time but you don't realize it because of a psychological phenomenon called 'flicker fusion frequency.' The flicker fusion frequency is usually about 25 hertz (cycles-per-second). A light that turns on-and-off (flickers) faster than 25 times per second will appear to be on, steady. Your home's 60 cycle AC turns on and off 120 times a second, though it is only off momentarily, it's increasing or decreasing the rest of the time. If you use a dimmer switch it turns the power to the light completely off for a while 120 times a second. Of course, incandescent lights don't have time to cool down to dark during these brief off times but, they dim and brighten. Early movies were too few frames per second, that's why they flicker. Whereas, later movies are frequent enough; so, though there are totally black moments between each frame, you don't see any flicker.
Note: The 25Hz is an ordinary/average value. It varies based on the brightness/intensity of the source and can go as high as 50-60Hz for very bright sources.
Some people sell 130 volt bulbs as 'long lasting.' If you have proper voltage, they will last longer, but they're not a good deal -- they cost more per unit of light overall. Click here for an explanation. If you want long lasting buy a compact fluorescent. Not only will it last longer you'll probably save a little $$ too. |
Me too.
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