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 Posted: 10/04/05 - 13:21 Post subject: Things Creationists Hate
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http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/thingscreationistshate.htm
Only part way through, but I liked this one:
| Quote: | Thermodynamics according to Isaiah
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26, describing Heaven: Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, Heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the Earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty-nine) times as much as the Earth does from the sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the moon is 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stephan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation, we have (H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the Earth, 300 K (27 C). This gives H, the absolute temperature of Heaven, as 798 K (525 C)! (For old-fashioned Americans, that's close to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Your kitchen oven won't get nearly that hot.)
The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed. However, Revelation 21:8 says: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. A lake of molten brimstone (or sulfur) means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6 C (above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake). We have, then, that Heaven, at 525 C, is hotter than Hell, at less than 445 C.
So who says that the Bible has no accurate and useful scientific data? |
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 13:57 Post subject:
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Awesome. Does the bible explain why men have nipples?
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 16:50 Post subject: Re: Things Creationists Hate
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| Samiam wrote: | http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/thingscreationistshate.htm
Only part way through, but I liked this one:
| Quote: | Thermodynamics according to Isaiah
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26, describing Heaven: Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, Heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the Earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty-nine) times as much as the Earth does from the sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the moon is 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stephan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation, we have (H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the Earth, 300 K (27 C). This gives H, the absolute temperature of Heaven, as 798 K (525 C)! (For old-fashioned Americans, that's close to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Your kitchen oven won't get nearly that hot.)
The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed. However, Revelation 21:8 says: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. A lake of molten brimstone (or sulfur) means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6 C (above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake). We have, then, that Heaven, at 525 C, is hotter than Hell, at less than 445 C.
So who says that the Bible has no accurate and useful scientific data? |
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wow you are confused...if you read the entire chapter of Isaiah 30, you will see God is talking about the rain of fire upon the unbelievers. The old testament declares He is a jealous God, and His fury will come down iupon those who do not believe:
Then you will defile your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, "Away with you!"
23 He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows. 24 The oxen and donkeys that work the soil will eat fodder and mash, spread out with fork and shovel. 25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.
27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar,
with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke;
his lips are full of wrath,
and his tongue is a consuming fire.
28 His breath is like a rushing torrent,
rising up to the neck.
He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction;
he places in the jaws of the peoples
a bit that leads them astray.
Get your scriptures straight before leading others astray. Even Satan himself knows you are wrong on this one.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 16:57 Post subject:
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"lol, I know you're busy, but could you sign this for my kid?"
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Booker
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 16:58 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | "lol, I know you're busy, but could you sign this for my kid?"
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 17:11 Post subject: Re: Things Creationists Hate
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/thingscreationistshate.htm
Only part way through, but I liked this one:
| Quote: | Thermodynamics according to Isaiah
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26, describing Heaven: Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, Heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the Earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty-nine) times as much as the Earth does from the sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the moon is 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stephan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation, we have (H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the Earth, 300 K (27 C). This gives H, the absolute temperature of Heaven, as 798 K (525 C)! (For old-fashioned Americans, that's close to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Your kitchen oven won't get nearly that hot.)
The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed. However, Revelation 21:8 says: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. A lake of molten brimstone (or sulfur) means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6 C (above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake). We have, then, that Heaven, at 525 C, is hotter than Hell, at less than 445 C.
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wow you are confused...if you read the entire chapter of Isaiah 30, you will see God is talking about the rain of fire upon the unbelievers. The old testament declares He is a jealous God, and His fury will come down iupon those who do not believe:
Then you will defile your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, "Away with you!"
23 He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows. 24 The oxen and donkeys that work the soil will eat fodder and mash, spread out with fork and shovel. 25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.
27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar,
with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke;
his lips are full of wrath,
and his tongue is a consuming fire.
28 His breath is like a rushing torrent,
rising up to the neck.
He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction;
he places in the jaws of the peoples
a bit that leads them astray.
Get your scriptures straight before leading others astray. Even Satan himself knows you are wrong on this one. |
My scriptures? I didn't write these nor the page they came from and I don't (as yet) have any scriptures of my own.
Hmm, maybe I'll dream up a few. Is there a WikiScripture site? Well there ought to be.
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 17:31 Post subject:
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yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. 
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Aviger
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 18:24 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
you choose your realpoor name well 
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Devook
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:09 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
Sorry but one does not gain possession of a thing until one accepts it as his own. So that makes you completely wrong.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:18 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
Who are you to say that your beliefs apply to me? It's your delusion, not mine, so you keep 'em. 
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:21 Post subject:
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Hmm ill stick with the Old Ones.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:41 Post subject:
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| icebreaker wrote: | Hmm ill stick with the Old Ones.
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ALL HAIL CTHULHU!!!
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:49 Post subject:
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| Samiam wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
Who are you to say that your beliefs apply to me? It's your delusion, not mine, so you keep 'em. |
Some things apply to all of us whether you believe them or not. In the same way, some things are true whether you believe them or not. The world IS full of absolutes whether we accept them or not. I'm not preaching to anyone here, nor am I suggesting you SHOUL believe as I do. Its a personal choice, end of story. In regards to the original scripture posted, therein lies the truth that many choose not to believe. Thats fine-I dont have a problem with anyone excercising their choices. But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not.
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Frehya
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:55 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | I dont have a problem with anyone excercising their choices. But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Yeah, I've heard that karma can be a b***h, whether you believe it or not.
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 19:59 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | I dont have a problem with anyone excercising their choices. But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Yeah, I've heard that karma can be a b***h, whether you believe it or not. |
/agree
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Booker
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 20:33 Post subject:
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anyone ever read that hp lovecraft story where there was an expedition to antartica and they discover an ancient city?
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 20:47 Post subject:
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| Booker wrote: | | anyone ever read that hp lovecraft story where there was an expedition to antartica and they discover an ancient city? |
I love Lovecraft...havent heard of it...whats the name of the book? Sounds interesting
And before I get bashed anymore, my comments werent so much to preach as they were to correct the OP for misquoting a book. If I misquoted the Koran, I would expect a believing Muslim to correct me. Or if I said it was ok to kill a grizzly and lop off its appendages because the constitution says I have the right to bear arms...well, I'm sure I would get corrected. OK? OK.
Peace-
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 20:49 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
ya, and im sure you would be happy nailin people to a tree or pullin out their entrials with a hot poker to prove it to em.
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 20:52 Post subject:
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| lotek wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
ya, and im sure you would be happy nailin people to a tree or pullin out their entrials with a hot poker to prove it to em. |
Nope. If you read my full post, I am very anti-preaching about spiritual beliefs. I dont condone or condemn what others believe. Its all your choice. Do I care? yeah I do, but not so much I would use any kind of force or trickery to make a point. I guess you could say I'm indifferent.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 21:41 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Huh? The 'absolute' you're talking about is one that is probably the furthest thing from an 'absolute' as can be.
-Nah-
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 22:11 Post subject:
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| Booker wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | "lol, I know you're busy, but could you sign this for my kid?"
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i hate "believers" in all thier idiotic forms with all of my little black heart.
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
Who are you to say that your beliefs apply to me? It's your delusion, not mine, so you keep 'em. |
Some things apply to all of us whether you believe them or not. In the same way, some things are true whether you believe them or not. The world IS full of absolutes whether we accept them or not. I'm not preaching to anyone here, nor am I suggesting you SHOUL believe as I do. Its a personal choice, end of story. In regards to the original scripture posted, therein lies the truth that many choose not to believe. Thats fine-I dont have a problem with anyone excercising their choices. But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Actually you were preaching, to some extent, when you said your scriptures applied to me, and by implying that I am arrogant and disobedient for not believing what you believe. (Jihad's get declared using your reasoning).
I'd suggest my karma is probably pretty good. One thing it is completely unaffected by is your belief system.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 23:18 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Prove it.
EDIT: I wish I could see the days when the ideas behind organized religion are widely accepted as outdated fabrications created by human ignorance and/or used for controlling the masses.
Definitely won't live that long.
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omfg sir, yes!
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 23:39 Post subject:
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| Samiam wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | Samiam wrote: | | myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
Who are you to say that your beliefs apply to me? It's your delusion, not mine, so you keep 'em. |
Some things apply to all of us whether you believe them or not. In the same way, some things are true whether you believe them or not. The world IS full of absolutes whether we accept them or not. I'm not preaching to anyone here, nor am I suggesting you SHOUL believe as I do. Its a personal choice, end of story. In regards to the original scripture posted, therein lies the truth that many choose not to believe. Thats fine-I dont have a problem with anyone excercising their choices. But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Actually you were preaching, to some extent, when you said your scriptures applied to me, and by implying that I am arrogant and disobedient for not believing what you believe. (Jihad's get declared using your reasoning).
I'd suggest my karma is probably pretty good. One thing it is completely unaffected by is your belief system. |
Well, you and I can agree to disagree. IMHO "preaching" means I'm trying to convince you that my beliefs > yours, and trying to win you over. As I have previously stated on another thread, I have never stated what my beliefs actually are-so you have no clue. I intentionally write vaguely so as -not- to come across as a fanatic, one way or another. As I stated previously in this thread, "I am not preaching to anyone here, nor am I suggesting you SHOUL believe as I do. Its a personal choice, end of story." Thats it. Just because I corrected you on your incorrect interpretation of a book does not mean I think I am better or holier than you. Quite the opposite actually. I was simply stating you took scripture out of contrast, and failed to include a few important verses that go along with it. I will quote again what I said before: "And before I get bashed anymore, my comments werent so much to preach as they were to correct the OP for misquoting a book. If I misquoted the Koran, I would expect a believing Muslim to correct me. Or if I said it was ok to kill a grizzly and lop off its appendages because the constitution says I have the right to bear arms...well, I'm sure I would get corrected. "
Thats it. Not preaching, just correcting a false statement.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 23:43 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | yeah, YOUR scriptures. They are all of ours. Whether we choose to heed or ignore is a personal choice, but they were written for us. |
GOD ISNT REAL. Jesus? He tried to f**k me so I kicked him in the balls and laughed... what a f*g.
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Posted: 10/04/05 - 23:44 Post subject:
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[quote="Xenden"] | myndwarrp wrote: | | But there is consequences to a life of arrogance and disobediance...whether you believe it or not. |
Prove it. - You really need to read more in regards to science. You are aware that Stephen Hawking, one of the highest regarded scientists in the last 100 years, has changed his stance on creationism? Read up a little. Science is proving more and more every day that the wacky spitual people actually *may* be right.
EDIT: I wish I could see the days when the ideas behind organized religion are widely accepted as outdated fabrications created by human ignorance and/or used for controlling the masses. - Well, that day *will* come as soon as science proves religion is actually wrong. Dont hold your breath.
Definitely won't live that long - Nope you wont
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