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Docter
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Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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 Posted: 05/07/04 - 01:31 Post subject: The polyamory movement has reached Sweden
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http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200405040841.asp
| Quote: | We'll go to Sweden for a final look at how gay marriage is undermining marriage. While advocates like Sullivan argue that marriage isn't about children, Nathaniel Frank takes the opposite approach. Since some gays have children, says Frank, formal gay marriage would unite — not separate — the ideas of marriage and parenthood.
That misses the point. Ideally, biological parents ought to be married to each other. Since no gay couple can get a child without the intervention of a third party, gay marriage cannot help but undermine the idea that parents ought to marry each other.
You can see the process playing out now in Sweden, which is on the verge of turning its system of registered partnerships into formal gay marriage. The big step on that road came in 2002, when Sweden removed that last real difference between registered partnerships and marriage by allowing gay partners to adopt. Has that move brought the ideas of marriage and parenthood closer together?
Not at all. The National Swedish Social Insurance Board recently convened a panel in which two legal experts recommended changes in Swedish family law. One invoked same-**** parenting to argue for legal recognition of three- and even four-parent families. According to this scholar, the antiquated two-parent standard virtually forces l*****n couples to find anonymous sperm donors, rather than form a more complex family with, say, gay sperm donors to whom they feel close.
The polyamory movement has reached Sweden, and there are now Swedes who would seize on triple or quadruple parenting to usher in legalized polyamory. By the way, this conference invoked the well-known fact (the one Spedale denies) that families with unmarried parents dissolve at higher rates. Yet here the figures on rising family dissolution were used to justify the rejection of traditional dual parenthood. With so many dissolved cohabitors and gay parents, why not do away with the two-parent standard altogether? So as Sweden combines formal gay marriage with adoption rights for same-**** couples, the dawn of quadruple parenting and polyamory looms. So much for Frank's claim that formal gay marriage will reinforce the link between marriage and parenthood.
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Nahualli
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 04:26 Post subject:
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I dont understand what's surprising about this. I don't think anyone ever claimed it would never come up.. I just think everyone agreed this would never pass as a law.
-Nah-
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atarom
Dalai Lama of RealPoor
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: 375th st. Y
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 06:03 Post subject:
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doesnt surprise me a bit. it's always been a common debate between most of the people i know. we're going to ask the government to define love, and it's not going to work.
it's not going to come anywhere close.
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Paco
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
Posts: 12940
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 11:06 Post subject:
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I really wonder what other europeans think about sweeden. Zwad..Cel, and anyone else living overthere..do you view sweeden as a f****d up place, even by your standards? or am I missing some sort of point here?
to me, sweeden is a pretty f****d up place to live unless if you're a freak to begin with...
notice how there are no swedes here to post, as they're all busy getting jiggy with it
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