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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 02:06    Post subject: The growing threat from Baby Boomers Reply with quote

Really scary article on Fox about the threat from the aging baby boomers to this country, and more particularly to us younger Gen X and Y's. The scariest thing is that the article, while full of hyperbole, is for the most part dead on accurate.

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The Boomer Bust

Thursday, July 31, 2003
By Radley Balko

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.” -- Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813), Scottish jurist and historian, professor of Universal History at Edinburgh University.

“Don’t trust anyone over thirty,” -- 1960s radical Jack Weinberg.


Message to my fellow Gen-Xers (search): Lace up your boots. Shave that God-awful dot-com goatee. And stop sulking about how you hung onto those stock options just a wee bit too long. It’s time for inter-generational war. We’re about to be blindsided, Pearl-Harbored, politically cold-cocked by our generational nemesis.

I’m talking about the baby boomers (search).

Don’t get me wrong, some of my best parents are baby boomers. But the most self-aware, self-congratulatory, and self-destructive generation in American history is aging. Boomers are catching faint glimpses of their own mortality. They’re beginning to see themselves in nursing homes, convalescent centers and retirement communities. And so the generation that introduced us to political identity groups (search) and the culture of victimization now sees itself as an identity group, and an aging generation of victims. And now they want entitlements.

Consequently, my fellow Gen-Xers, you and I will be footing the bill, for example, for an $800 billion prescription drug benefit egged on, voted on and signed into law by baby boomers. Soon we’ll be paying for the God-given right of our parents to, for example, get erections well into their seventies.

Funny how just 10 years ago, boomers roundly rejected Hillary Clinton’s (search) proposal for socialized medicine (search) -- senior citizens have a right to force taxpayers to buy their pills? Absurd. A decade later, as boomers themselves approach retirement, having someone else pay for their medicine doesn’t seem like such a bad idea.

And Washington Post columnist Robert Samuelson (search) points out that as boomers age, it’s inevitable that they’ll discover more “rights” they’re entitled to as well. Perhaps taxpayers should foot more of the bill for nursing home care, for example. Look for boomers to move for targeted tax breaks they can exploit as they start cashing out their retirement accounts. Subsidies for the applesauce, muscle ointment and shuffleboard industries can’t be far behind.

Then there’s Social Security (search), the massive ponzi scheme (search) that unless radically reformed, is certain to collapse by the time anyone under 30 reaches retirement age. But don’t count on any meaningful changes. The retirement age will stay put so long as we have free elections. And despite its pending collapse, Social Security won’t be going away until the last baby boomer goes away, too. What you can count on is the “FICA” (search) portion of your paycheck growing heavier and heavier to support a system slouching ever closer toward insolvency.

Sure, there’s talk of reform, of giving younger workers ownership of their Social Security taxes (and let’s call them what they are, they’re “taxes,” not “contributions”) to perhaps invest for better yields than the paltry returns we get from government.

But don’t count on it. Boomers run 75 million strong. They have more money than we do. They vote more than we do. And lest we forget, most of the people drafting, amending, passing and signing the laws are boomers, too. If there’s any -- any -- danger of Social Security privatization interfering with the hand-backs boomers feel they’re entitled too, it simply won’t happen.

And those are just the government programs that directly benefit boomers.

Boomers I think suffer from a natural inferiority complex. The generation just before them -- the World War II generation (search) -- saved the world, after all. And when your parents saved the world, what, really, can you do to better them?

So when boomers aren’t busy voting themselves entitlements to prolong their lives, they’re striving for immortality -- if not for “Greatest Generation” (search) status, which is taken, then at least for “The ‘Damn the Results, At Least We Tried’ Generation.”

So we can also thank well-meaning leftist boomers for the litany of social safety net programs that have resulted in, ahem, more people in need of government-funded safety net programs. We can thank boomer idealism for the wars on poverty (search) and drugs that gave us, ahem, more poverty and more drug use.

Our current boomer president wants to change the world, too. And like his leftist boomer cohorts, he too will be sending us the bill.

President Bush and his cadre of boomer advisors have committed to a “nation building” (search) project in Iraq that we’re told will cost us $1 billion per week, for a minimum of five to 10 years. And when the U.S. government says we’ll be present in a foreign country for a “minimum of five to 10 years,” you might look to Bosnia and Kosovo (search), where President Clinton promised the troops would be out “by Christmas” (Christmas when? In 2050?); to Kuwait, where we still have troops a decade after the war; to Korea, where we have troops 50 years after the war; or to Germany or Japan, where we have troops 60 years after the war.

And that’s assuming that the war on terror stops with Iraq. Who’s to say how many other $1 billion per week projects our boomer leaders will decide to take on after that?

If you’re not a boomer, you ought to be worried about all of this. Because you’re going to be paying for it. When the last boomer pops his last Viagra (search), or her last Valium, when the last Middle Eastern country flies the American flag, when the last child of the last World War II couple buys his ticket to that grand CSNY concert in the sky, it is us, Gen-Xers, who will be stuck with the bill.

And to that, I can only quote another boomer, the great Roger Daltry (search):

“I hope I die before I get old.”

Radley Balko is a writer living in Arlington, Va. He also maintains a Weblog at www.theagitator.com.


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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 02:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with a good majority of that article... This part kind of irks me.

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President Bush and his cadre of boomer advisors have committed to a “nation building” (search) project in Iraq that we’re told will cost us $1 billion per week, for a minimum of five to 10 years. And when the U.S. government says we’ll be present in a foreign country for a “minimum of five to 10 years,” you might look to Bosnia and Kosovo (search), where President Clinton promised the troops would be out “by Christmas” (Christmas when? In 2050?); to Kuwait, where we still have troops a decade after the war; to Korea, where we have troops 50 years after the war; or to Germany or Japan, where we have troops 60 years after the war.


Yes we have troops in different countries of the world, but it is not for the reason that he is incenuating. That is like saying our AF base in Iceland is there because we think they are a threat. Will we be in Iraq for the next 5-10 years? I honestly do not believe so. If we do stay, it will not be because of "nation building". We have bases in different parts of the world for certian reasons.... still trying to figure out why the hell there are 10 in alaska, but hey, they don't pay me to think about that.

As for us (our generation), I think that there is alot of potential for what we are going to do. We have sat back and watched what has happened with the boomers and I would say that most of us are just tired of it. We have seen the good and the bad of free expression, big government, and most of all, parenting. Why parenting? Because that is where it all has started. People get away with so much stuff just because they can blame it on abusive parents or neglectful parents. You know what? Get over it. It has gotten to the point where you are scorned for disciplining your child in other than kinder gentler means. I remember getting spanked when I was a kid, When I did something wrong (not cause my parents were sick freaks Wink ) and I am better for it. I learned what was right and wrong. Today kids are sent to "time out" and grounded for a week, doesn't really teach you shit. All we here is "Lil Johnny is such a good kid. He has only been suspended from school twice and it was only for a gun once!!" The media has went as far as blameing people other than the parents for what the kids do.

Honestly I think that the "funding" issues should be the least of our worries. You have to start at the very basis of our problems.
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 02:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dapht wrote:
still trying to figure out why the hell there are 10 in alaska


Most of them being built during the cold war I'd imagine as Alaska was seen as being under great danger from Soviet attack.
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 05:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dapht wrote:
incenuating


Shocked

Dapht wrote:

It has gotten to the point where you are scorned for disciplining your child in other than kinder gentler means. I remember getting spanked when I was a kid, When I did something wrong (not cause my parents were sick freaks Wink ) and I am better for it. I learned what was right and wrong.


So true.
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 05:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really shouldn't post/spell when I have worked 36 out of the past 42 hours. Me needs sleepy.
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 15:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 15:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you will feel the same way when you turn 64.
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PostPosted: 07/31/03 - 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soylent Green is made of 65 year olds...muhahahahaha!!!
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 02:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


To bad it can't really be like that. It would be so interesting to see who was left standing.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 02:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kbarr wrote:
Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


To bad it can't really be like that. It would be so interesting to see who was left standing.


not you, you old f**k
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 02:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dapht wrote:
I really shouldn't post/spell when I have worked 36 out of the past 42 hours. Me needs sleepy.


then why not just stfu
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 02:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrotum wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


To bad it can't really be like that. It would be so interesting to see who was left standing.


not you, you old f**k

You need to work on a new angle. I just don't think this one is working for you.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 03:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheresNWS wrote:
scrotum wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


To bad it can't really be like that. It would be so interesting to see who was left standing.


not you, you old f**k

You need to work on a new angle. I just don't think this one is working for you.


It warms my heart to have typed something at El scrotester that made him hate me so!!!

I just wish I knew what it was......

Tells us kid, what was it?
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 04:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrotum, I did not realize that me posting was causing you so much pain that you would have to tell me to "stfu". In that case I will continue to post until the point that you can no longer function as a worthwhile member of society.... Well since that was already accomplished, I will have to find a new reason to post.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 10:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, if they tried to kill Kbarr at 65 I imagine we'd get to see his phatty assault rifle in action ^_^
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 11:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


"Ding 65!!! Hey, what are you doing??! Get away from me!!"
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 11:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I'm Sixty-Four
(John Lennon, Paul McCartney)
Lead Vocal: Paul McCartney

When I get older losing my hair
Many years from now
Will you still be sending me a valentine
Birthday greetings bottle of wine

If I'd been out till quarter to three
Would you lock the door
Will you still need me, will you still feed me
When I'm sixty-four

You'll be older too
And if you say the word
I could stay with you

I could be handy, mending a fuse
When your lights have gone
You can knit a sweater by the fireside
Sunday mornings go for a ride
Doing the garden, digging the weeds
Who could ask for more
Will you still need me, will you still feed me
When I'm sixty-four

Every summer we can rent a cottage
In the Isle of Wight, if it's not too dear
We shall scrimp and save
Grandchildren on your knee
Vera Chuck & Dave

Send me a postcard, drop me a line
Stating point of view
Indicate precisely what you mean to say
Yours sincerely, wasting away
Give me your answer, fill in a form
Mine for evermore
Will you still need me, will you still feed me
When I'm sixty-four
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 11:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

That article is fucking horseshit. It's written to promote the allowance of continuing cuts to social spending programs that help keep people ALIVE AND ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. These people that the author speaks about are PARENTS and more importantly HUMAN BEINGS to which we all owe a RESPONSIBLITY of ENSURING THEIR CONTINUED WELLBEING as members of OUR COUNTRY and OUR SOCIETY. Fox News can SUCK A DICK, because its nothing but SLANTED RHETORIC of the political right that wants to continue REPRESSING THE MASSES in favor of INSULATING THE RICH from any shred of SOCIAL RESPONSIBLITY. The author of this JOURNOSLANDER is a LYING SACK OF MONEYWHORING FECES. Proof is right in the beginning, he calls his article a "Message to my fellow Gen-Xers" but no one that has a job at Fox News is a member of Generation X, they're a fucking CORPORATE LACKEY serving ON THEIR KNEES for a generous paycheck from some OPPRESSIVE PIECE OF SHIT FATCAT that doesn't want to PAY HIS FUCKING TAXES SO THAT OLD PEOPLE THAT LIVED AND BREATHED FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THIS SOCIETY CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT BESIDES FUCKING DOGFOOD, TYRANNIST PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT>>>>>>

also, Kudos to Vekril for the Beatles quote Wink
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RENEW!!!

Logans Run might work?
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 12:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see some valid points but the pharmaceutical industry is completely f****d right now. My grandmother, if she could actually afford all the drugs prescribed to her, would spend around $1,400 a month.

There are prescriptions that are vital to her health that cost 300ish a month.

Making the public foot the costs for all these drugs may not be the answer, but maybe some regulations on prescription drug prices may be in order.

The pharmaceutical companies are doing there best to block sales from Canada to the US of prescription drugs, which as of right now, is they only thing keeping many of the vital prescriptions in a lot of peoples hands.

It really is out of control.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 14:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pharmaceutical companies need to be put on trial for the white collar crime circuit that it is.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 15:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of reforms are needed and none of them will most likely see the light of day (Unless I'm voted as Supreme Overseer of the Known Galaxy Twisted Evil ) Here are my top issues needing resolved:

1) Welfare - Welfare should be calculated when it is first started and should not change. Welfare dividends should never rise per child over the course of you collecting of these public funds. In order to continue drawing welfare you should prove that you are attempting to better your financial situation, such as Furthering Education. Those on welfare should be visited randomly (but regularly) by public servants to check the quality of living conditions for the family AS WELL AS the parenting conditions for the children present. Grades should be counted in this, most cause for poor grades these days are lack of parenting and discipline (I will defend this one to my last breath)

NOTE: I am not against Welfare, just those that abuse it and have corrupted the original intent of a well intended program.

2) Disability & Unemployment - This system needs evaluated severaly. Currently West Virginia (among other states) is having a difficult time regulating unemployment abusers. There is an estimated 20+% of people currently drawing Disability or Unemployment that are working outside of the state and getting away with it. They are collecting government checks that taxpayers are providing and then going out of state and working, bascially collecting double pay. Unfortunately there is no current government agency setup to cross reference taxation and public assistance. This is a definate problem.

3) Corporate Overpricing Margins - I firmly believe that the government (since there is no other organization capable of implementation) should force a maximum product markup. The reason? It's rediculous that a company can, and does, charge in excess of 3000% markups on products so that the CEO and upper management can rake in the cash flow. This is a tough solution and will never appear in our age of the American Dream moving from *freedom* to *success and financial stability* to *whoever has the most wins*. There would only be two solutions to this corporate greed, the first would be to impose Upper Management Salary caps (dangerous ground to enter with government controlled salaries), or limit the markup percentage for products. Other than lowering the prices on products this would have two potential results, first being a lower in pay for upper management, or mass layoff's (though this would be desastrous as the Upper Management is not going to fill in for the increased workload) That's my thoughts on that.

4) Public Medical Programs - Government sponsored medical and health programs. I hate to give Canada credit for anything, but Public Health is a definate needed road for the US to walk. It's pretty rediculous when a person has to choose between paying bills or having some needed medical attention. Should I buy groceries or get glasses/contacts so that I don't have headaches every day? Pay rent or get my tooth pulled that's been aching for the last two months because it broke in half? I've had insurance for a grand total of one year since I turned 18 and was removed from my parents insurance policy. 1 year. I know quite a large amount of people in the area around me and of those people I know two with any sort of medical insurance, and even then it's $100 out of EACH paycheck (paid every two weeks). 90% of the places that I've worked haven't even HAD insurance available for employess, full time or not. There's a real problem with healthcare in this country and that's a SERIOUS issue that needs addressed, though in all fairness I know that if it's implemented it will simply be all jacked up an not worth it... that's how our politicians are (on both sides, I have very little faith in ANY politician).

5) Child Care / Parenting - "Spare the rod, spoil the child" I was spanked furiously when I was a child when I did something bad, did I learn to be abusive from that? No, not anymore than anyone else. Granted I did spend 6 years working in bars as security, but that was about the money mostly (I will admit that I did enjoy beating on loudmouth drunken rednecks with a penchant for smacking their women folk in public). IMHO parents trust computers/video games/television to raise and babysit their children while they pursue their own interests, at the cost of their children. Friends of mine are no exception to this, this fact aggravates me to the point that I have ceases contact with friends who neglect their children in such a fashion. I have a very active roll in my neices and nephews upbringing since I have no children of my own, thankfully my sister has some pretty similar views as I do. In my case, I buy books for my neices and nephew, and if they don't read them by the time that Christmas comes around... they get more books. If they don't read them by the time their birthday's roll around (all in the same month) they get nothing. They generaly read them because I go all out and get them the presents that their mother is too cheap to buy them. Nice bargain we have there. The also know that if they get lippy, they are getting busted. Last time my nephew decided to get ballsy (he's 11) and tell me that he's not going to do anything I tell him cause I'm just his uncle, he got slapped in the mouth. I know... I know... quit your gasping, I would never slap him like I would a grown man, it was just enough to startle the shit out of him and let him know that he crossed the line. He does what I tell him now though, not that I boss him around and jump around like a tyrant or anything... mostly involves him keeping his room clean and helping his mother around the house. Do I have poor parenting skills? I certainly don't think so. My neices and nephew all get 4.0 grades and miss one to three days of school per year. Wonderful kids they are, ages 8, 11, 14, and I love them to death. That's why I'm firm with them, and they know that I love them. How to do anything about this though? How to spread good parenting skills? First one would have to agree what good parenting skills are... how to properly raise children is and will forever be an issue... though looking at the degrading school programs and lower test scores in various parts of the country... what they have now sure isn't working. Once good parenting skills are decided upon, you would still have to distribute that to the public... unfortunately this problem in society will NEVER be resolved.

6) Rights/Discrimination/Minorities - Here's a touchy one, that's why I saved it for last... it's also one that will never be solved until Americans GROW THE f**k UP! Everyone is screaming rights this, rights that, blah blah blah. Just recently I saw a segment on the news about "Should White teachers be allowed to teach Black history?" Why shouldn't they? What would the public response be if that title was reversed? "Should Black teachers be allowed to teach White History?" Pretty f*****g absurd isn't it? Of course they should, in either angle. What's going to be next... "Should White teachers be allowed to teach Asian History?". Grow the f**k up and quit living off excuses. The slavery/minority angle will only get you so far. Nobody living has ever known a relative that was a slave and sure as hell nobody currently living was ever a slave. YOU DO NOT DESERVE ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT. Same thing applies for all minorities. New all gay public school in NY? b******t! How many people fought to have schools desegregated and the children of, or the same, f*****g liberal assbiscuits are moving to create a NEW segregated school? AND IT COSTS MORE TO MAINTAIN!?!?!?!?! What kind of hypocrisy is this? This is laughable... how many of you folks that are reading this, who are gay, think that this school is a good idea? Seriously? What's going to happen when a straight kid goes there (no idea why he would) and get's harrassed or hazed? Are the punishments delt out to the gay kids hazing the straight kid going to be of equal severity or are they acting out of equality... does that make those gay students hypocrites? Seriously people, wake up and get some f*****g self esteem for f***s sake. Who gives a rats ass what some sweaty redneck thinks about you? Who cares what some little spoiled rich kid thinks about you? Be you, have fun out of life, quit f*****g crying. I've had my low esteem moments... then the sudden realization that other peoples opinions don't really matter for shit settled in and it was over. Everyone gets teased, I'm 31 f*****g years old and my friends still accuse me of being gay.... why? Because I dress decently (in other words, I match), I cut my own hair (because I'm cheap and the cut isn't complex... it's spikey for christ sake, doesn't matter if it's nice and cut evenly), I'm polite (in other words, I don't try to pick up chicks by asking if I can eat them out and other sundry vulgarities), I'm soft spoken (how I was raised around my former military/parapalegic grandfather that didn't like a lot of noise), I'm always trying to learn something new and I don't speak like I was an extra in Deliverance, and even more damning.... I'm artistic. OMG! I can make pretty things so I must be gay! Yeah... jeeeezzzzz.... I have simple minded redneck fuckwits forfriends, I know this...that's why I let them continue to live. Nevermind the fact that I date 10:1 more females than even the most social one in the lot... but then I'm just compensating. Do I let this bother me? No. Do I let it bother me when folks assume that I'm a redneck because I live in WV? No. Does it bother me when people refer to me as *chubby* or *plump*? No. Why? Cause I grew up a long time ago, I just wish the rest of Amercian adults would catch the f**k up. I DESPISE people that live off excuses and try to gain preferential treatment for it. Okay... this has turned into a rant... must be the fact that I have to p**s real bad and I've been talking to inbreeders for the last nine hours.

Have fun with all that, I'm here for your amusement.
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 16:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silvermouse wrote:
Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


"Ding 65!!! Hey, what are you doing??! Get away from me!!"





haha sm that is the second time you cracked me up today! *not as easy a task as normal since im having a very sad day*
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PostPosted: 08/01/03 - 20:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

sornlia wrote:
Silvermouse wrote:
Vekril wrote:
the solution is to kill everyone when they hit 65


/nod


"Ding 65!!! Hey, what are you doing??! Get away from me!!"





haha sm that is the second time you cracked me up today! *not as easy a task as normal since im having a very sad day*


Ack! Why are you sad???
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PostPosted: 08/03/03 - 03:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

a recent law to drug screen those on wellfare was overturned on grounds of 'privacy issues'. Complete b******t
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PostPosted: 08/03/03 - 07:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauren000 wrote:
a recent law to drug screen those on wellfare was overturned on grounds of 'privacy issues'. Complete b******t


I agree
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Rennol wrote:
Heh, if they tried to kill Kbarr at 65 I imagine we'd get to see his phatty assault rifle in action ^_^


The year before 65 would be spent bunkering up my house:)

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PostPosted: 08/03/03 - 21:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

About public health care.

I believe that it is not the responsibility of the populace to keep people alive. It is their own.

Social Security is also a scam. People should have put back enough money during their first 64 years to have a nest egg to rely on. It's their responsibility for their well being, not the governments.

We are quickly becoming more and more of a welfare state. People feel they are entitled to everything.

Noone should be entitled to anything.

Public Health care is b******t. The quality of medical care and the waiting lists in countries with socialized medicine are horrid. Not to mention what that plan would do to our economy. If you want to fix that, put a limit of malpractice liabilities. That would lower the cost of malpractice insurance, thus lowering the cost of medical treatment.
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