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 Posted: 03/19/03 - 15:36 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | We were talking about polls conducted by reputable sources. It goes without saying that you shouldn't trust a poll you read on Joe's Bring Down America 2003 Militia Fiesta Site. |
And where do you think these polls were held? Their internet websites.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 15:45 Post subject:
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Yeah the quickie crap like 'ESPN's all-time favorite NHL jersey' is, but official polls you see reported on the news? Those aren't anonymous 'net votes.
Trust me, if you know those can be faked... reporters and everybody else does too.
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 16:07 Post subject:
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There really isnt much of an "honest" poll anywhere about that topic. Everyone who makes the polls have a bias towards one side or the other. The media is notorious for this.
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Frax
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 16:11 Post subject:
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Polls are generally biased in one form or another, despite the best intentions of the creator.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 16:17 Post subject:
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Yeah, you can aim for specific answers if you word your poll a certain way too... but read enough polls and you can figure it all out as far which are good and bad.
This is a fun website to look at, it compiles polls from a wide array of groups and it'll give you a good idea of what's up:
http://www.pollingreport.com/
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 16:17 Post subject:
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Here's Gallup's polls on the subject. I guess you can trust them as much as anyone, since accurate polls are their business. They show US support running 2 to 1 in favor of invasion:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030317.asp
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Arinwulf
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 17:14 Post subject:
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The problem with this whole situation is that there are so many conflicting truths:
1. Saddam Hussein is a vicious murderer with designs on the middle east with no concern for anyone but himself.
2. George W. Bush is a ignorant trust fund brat whose neo nazi christian texas oilman ties make him impervious to considerations of anyone's concerns but his.
3. Jacques Chirac is a arrogant french hypocrite who has been buddies with Saddam since the '80s and will do anything to keep his oil/arms/ nuclear contracts with Iraq intact in the hopes of collecting all the money that Iraq still owes.
4. Vladimir Putin is an ex KGB officer who only stayed in government because he wasn't smart enough to be in the Russian mafia, hence the reason he risks losing further economic aid from the US by backing the French.
5. Gehardt Schroeder (sp?) is a german bureaucrat whose ancestors are in Valhalla cursing his lack of testosterone to take part in a war.
6. Kim Jong Il is a psychotic son of the last psychotic leader of North Korea who has admitted to kidnapping Japanese civilians, breaking nuclear non-proliferation treaties, building ballistic missle capability and demonstrated same by launching one over Japan and who represents the biggest danger to peace the world has seen in a long long time.
7. Hollywood stars have a right to voice their opinions even though no one really cares.
8. Bill O'Reilly is a republican w***e who's commentaries are fed to him
by the Republican National Committee (btw, he has a right to voice his opinions too, as I'm sure he will do as soon as the RNC approves them).
9. Osama Bin Laden is somewhere in the tropics, getting drunk on rum and laughing his ass off.
10. Humanity's only hope is that aliens from outer space attempt to take over the planet.
Edited to fix some spelling errors
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Aviger
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 10:15 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Listening to the replies of the European realpoor'ers to U.S. posters' views is quite comical. Do people actually think that way? If half the people in Holland think the way Cuddle does, then I can see why the world doesn't like us or what we're doing. However, it also vindicates us, because we know they are wrong about everything they say.
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It's just as comical for me to hear the patriot zealots of america spout of about how much like god they are to be right in deciding what's good for the rest of the world..cuts both ways..
And this "because we know they are wrong about everything they say".
Holy crap rennol, i dont claim i am right about everything i say. I'm just giving my opinion. Can it be wrong? sure can.
When you are so set in your ways that you believe anything you (or your country) does is the "right" thing you are entering the real of fairytales.
No one is 100% right, no one knows 100% what is the best course of action.
To claim you do is showing how ignorant you really are.
Personally i like the U.S a lot, i like (most) of the people, their way of life and their ideas/philosofies on life.
There are just some i disagree with and the bigget one is the idiocy you have elevated to patriotism or doom.
It's insane and MORE dangerous then any dictator with some terrorists on his payroll in my eyes.
dont have to agree with it, that's just how i feel.
Do i hope kicking saddam of the planet fixes a lot of the problems going on? sure as hell i do.
They guy is f**k Top..he needs to die.
I just dont like the way it's being done.
Oh and that b******t about assasination being "illegal" for 40 years.
Do you honestly believe that?
You know SPYING on people is illegal to...yet the CIA is one of the biggest spy rings in the world.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean the good ole rightous and godfearing nation of the US doens't do it.
Get of your high horse smartass.
Oh and "only 5% of oil" being fact or not ( i dont know, i think that's rather low for a country that has THAT many cars etc) but still, have oyu any idea how much money 5% of iraq oil is worth?
Billions..enough to fight wars over. They been fought over less
In regards, I'm not anti-american, i'm anti-idiot 
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 10:53 Post subject:
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Iraq holds 22% of the world-oil reserves at this moment
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Fluxus the Rogue
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 11:23 Post subject:
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It's just as comical for me to hear the patriot zealots of america spout of about how much like god they are to be right in deciding what's good for the rest of the world..cuts both ways..
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I believe we're doing this for us. We're not doing it for France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. The U.S. has a right to protect itself from its perceived enemies. After 9/11 we decided it was better to hunt down terrorists and nations that harbor them instead of being caught unaware and vulnerable. This policy of pre-emptive warfare will p**s others off. BUT, it's in our best interest and that's what we're going to do. I live here in the U.S. and I'm glad we're invading Iraq.
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No one is 100% right, no one knows 100% what is the best course of action.
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The point is moot. The United States has determined what is "right" and decided on the "best" course of action. Any chance other nations like France or China had to influence this event passed about a month ago. They might be p****d off after we're finished in Iraq, but they can't stop our course of action now.
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Personally i like the U.S a lot, i like (most) of the people, their way of life and their ideas/philosofies on life.
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Then you should understand that as much as you like our way of life, we treasure it even more. We value this nation so much that we're willing to hunt down enemies even before they strike out at us. Again, that policy will p**s others off, but it's our country and our right to defend it as we see fit.
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Oh and that b******t about assasination being "illegal" for 40 years.
Do you honestly believe that?
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In 1981, Ronald Regan enacted a prohibition stating "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in or conspire to engage in assassination." To date, that order still stands, despite debate during the Clinton and current Bush Administrations to rescind it.
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You know SPYING on people is illegal to...yet the CIA is one of the biggest spy rings in the world.
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In the U.S. it is illegal to spy against us for another country. Those people are called traitors. However, I think what you meant was that spying was illegal on some international level. Not true. Not even close to being true. We recruit, train and use spies all the time. Always have and always will. Every nation on the planet does it and it's not "illegal".
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Oh and "only 5% of oil" being fact or not ( i dont know, i think that's rather low for a country that has THAT many cars etc) but still, have oyu any idea how much money 5% of iraq oil is worth?
Billions..enough to fight wars over. They been fought over less.
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The point was that THIS war was not being fought over it. If we wanted to fight a war over oil, we'd send the military to South America and make their Unions stop striking and start pumping more oil. Iraq's chief export could be green bananas and it wouldn't change the motivation behind the war for the U.S.
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In regards, I'm not anti-american, i'm anti-idiot |
Me too.
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Oozibax
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 11:28 Post subject:
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In 1386, a pig in France was executed by public hanging for the murder of a child
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and had only ONE testicle.
More people are killed each year from bees than from snakes.
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Celestra
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 11:45 Post subject:
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[quote="Fluxus the Rogue"]I believe we're doing this for us. We're not doing it for France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. The U.S. has a right to protect itself from its perceived enemies. After 9/11 we decided it was better to hunt down terrorists and nations that harbor them instead of being caught unaware and vulnerable. This policy of pre-emptive warfare will p**s others off. BUT, it's in our best interest and that's what we're going to do. I live here in the U.S. and I'm glad we're invading Iraq.
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I believe the US is doing it for the US too.
If so, I wish Bush would stfu about how the US is defending the world, and how they are liberating the Iraqi people. b******t. The US is defending itself. Why include the rest of the world, if we're obviously not needed? The US will do what the US wants anyway. Fine. So then be upfront about your ambitions instead of the rhetoric b******t. THAT is what a lot of Europeans do not like. The attitude. The big talk. As for the Iraqi people, they can only liberate themselves in the end. And when they will, they won't need the US and the rest of the world for anything but humanitarian help.
I don't really have all the answers here and I won't pretend to. I'm not against this *war*. I just hope it will be over soon and a new regime will make Iraq a better place to live. Not for us, not for the US, but for the people there.
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Fluxus the Rogue
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Posted: 03/20/03 - 12:15 Post subject:
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[quote="Celestra"][quote="Fluxus the Rogue"]I believe we're doing this for us. We're not doing it for France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. The U.S. has a right to protect itself from its perceived enemies. After 9/11 we decided it was better to hunt down terrorists and nations that harbor them instead of being caught unaware and vulnerable. This policy of pre-emptive warfare will p**s others off. BUT, it's in our best interest and that's what we're going to do. I live here in the U.S. and I'm glad we're invading Iraq.
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I believe the US is doing it for the US too.
If so, I wish Bush would stfu about how the US is defending the world, and how they are liberating the Iraqi people. b******t. The US is defending itself. Why include the rest of the world, if we're obviously not needed? The US will do what the US wants anyway. Fine. So then be upfront about your ambitions instead of the rhetoric b******t. THAT is what a lot of Europeans do not like. The attitude. The big talk. As for the Iraqi people, they can only liberate themselves in the end. And when they will, they won't need the US and the rest of the world for anything but humanitarian help.
I don't really have all the answers here and I won't pretend to. I'm not against this *war*. I just hope it will be over soon and a new regime will make Iraq a better place to live. Not for us, not for the US, but for the people there. |
We are most certainly doing it primarily for ourselves. However, you can't deny that there will be a positive side effect of liberating Iraq for its citizens. You know politicians aren't going to be able to say things like we say things here.
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