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Sabathius
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I still think this would rock 
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Eduin
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 14:26 Post subject:
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You people are so f*****g stupid it makes me sick.
A Dragonlance movie with anything like the budget to make it work will never be made because it is not popular enough to provide the necessary return at the box office. Now, don't get me wrong, a $100m Dragonlance movie might get the audiences in but the level of "might" is so large that the gamble just isn't worth taking.
Dungeons and Dragons had a budget of $35m and it looked *SHIT*. Utterly shit - no fantasy setting has ever looked sumptuous and expansive except LotR and that had a budget of $300 for the three films, which in normal terms is $200 to make the first one look as it should (then economies of scale make the second and third work). And that's really the benchmark - if you can't stake $200m on a fantasy epic, don't even try - it will look shite.
No-one is going to stake $100m let alone the $200m LotR required to make fantasy look acceptable. That's why Comic Book adaptations are in favour - they get the geek crowd and look good enough for the mainstream audience because the budget requirements are so much lower when you can use real world sets and backdrops. Without insane budgets you cannot get that in fantasy pictures.
I don't believe there is any set of novels out there with the necessary fan base to have a studio throw $100m at it, let alone the $200m that would make it *work well*.
You know, I'm trying *really* hard to think of any work out there that might get adapted with the necessary budget. I know His Dark Materials has been optioned and script work begun but that is going to be pretty marginal even on a $80m budget (I doubt they would stake higher and that's going to be the budget for *two* movies). You could probably get a Hobbit movie made off the back of LotR if Jackson gave his DP or 1st AD the chair but the rights for a Hobbit movie are not currently optionable.
Face it, fantasy just isn't mainstream enough or at least while it has a relatively large audience, it is far too fractional. There might be a chance of live action Discworld on the horizon but that will be crippled when Terry "Why does no-one give me the necessary budget" Gilliam falls over Good Omens.
Personally i'd love to see Chyna Meiville's Bas Lag novels made into movies or but it's never going to happen not when the budget requirement makes it such a large gamble.
There is nothing out there with the base readership required to justify the budget apart from Harry Potter and LotR, I'm sorry, genuinely, I would love to see high production values fantasy put out just like the comic book geeks are getting fed at the moment. But the reality is economic andit just isn't going to happen in anything but the very long term.
You know, it is now 2003 and we are *still* waiting for a Neuromancer movie, Sci Fi has the same drawback - Star Wars was an utter fluke, and it has never actually been repeated (in terms of how it came about, how well it looked and how well it sold) despite many attempts.
Regards,
Eduin
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Tav
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 14:32 Post subject:
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Too true...
No money = no movies.
I personally love the Drizzt series of books.
Hell, something that would cost less would be CG Animation of the movies.
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Kendolekk
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:17 Post subject:
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The Belgariad and The Mallorean by David Eddings were both pretty good. Each were 5 book series. If you like both of those, they also have two "Biographies" so to speak of 2 of the main characters(Belgarath and Polgara).
I enjoyed them.
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Silvermouse
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Joined: 12 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:25 Post subject:
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"No-one is going to stake $100m let alone the $200m LotR required to make fantasy look acceptable. That's why Comic Book adaptations are in favour - they get the geek crowd and look good enough for the mainstream audience because the budget requirements are so much lower when you can use real world sets and backdrops. Without insane budgets you cannot get that in fantasy pictures."
Exactly. Sure, it would be neat to see a 150 million dollar Dragonlance movie, but it would be hard to generate buzz outside of the target crowd, UNLESS you had a really good story, good acting and doable special effects. Then, hopefully, word of mouth would bring in the outsiders.
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Stixl
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Joined: 05 May 2003
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:34 Post subject:
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I have a really nice camera, telescopic lense, and a bit of CG Experience. I also own a bunch of land that is literally exactly the type of terrain featured in the opening for the Wheel of Time. Who wants to be in a movie?
1 book at a time 
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Braid
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Joined: 01 Jan 2003
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 15:46 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | "No-one is going to stake $100m let alone the $200m LotR required to make fantasy look acceptable. That's why Comic Book adaptations are in favour - they get the geek crowd and look good enough for the mainstream audience because the budget requirements are so much lower when you can use real world sets and backdrops. Without insane budgets you cannot get that in fantasy pictures."
Exactly. Sure, it would be neat to see a 150 million dollar Dragonlance movie, but it would be hard to generate buzz outside of the target crowd, UNLESS you had a really good story, good acting and doable special effects. Then, hopefully, word of mouth would bring in the outsiders. |
I have a stack of old Dragonlance comics. I think they were from marvel, its been a while since I looked at them. So you *could* call it a comic book adaptation.
My favorite DL book was "The Dragons" by Douglas Niles. Along with the Kagonesti, Dargonesti, The Irda, and a few others, they tell about the history of different races in the dragonlance world, and each one is a stand alone storyline, so you dont have to worry about getting several books at once.
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Buntz
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Joined: 13 Oct 2002
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Location: Banner Elk, N.C.
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 20:27 Post subject:
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| halfbent wrote: | omg... hobbet... go stab yourself in the eye right now...
Lord Soth must be present or I will kill whoever directs... Knights of the Black Rose shall own you all. |
stuf..Lord Soth sucked..he cheated on his wife with some gay skinny Elf w***e who was about to be raped by ogres
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Frax
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 20:35 Post subject:
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neuromancer sucked.
A Song of Fire and Ice is probably the best fantasy series out there, only problem is at this rate it's going to take GRR Martin like 20 years to finish the next couple of books..
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Alerik
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 22:32 Post subject:
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I remember 3 years ago mentioning those books and you said you didnt like the first one Fraxy. Glad you changed your mind!
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Frax
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Posted: 10/13/03 - 22:49 Post subject:
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| Alerik wrote: | | I remember 3 years ago mentioning those books and you said you didnt like the first one Fraxy. Glad you changed your mind! |
I'm finding a lack of interesting stuff to read..
started the WoT.. and found out it is just a lame tolkein rip-off for the most part
Reading "Steel My Soldiers Hearts" right now, pretty good read bout Vietnam.
After that I think i'm going back and re-reading SoIaF before the next book comes out
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Herbgotti
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 00:29 Post subject:
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| Gato wrote: | Dragons of autumn twilight
Dragons of winter night
Dragons of spring dawning
Time of the twins
War of the twins
Test of the twins
I cannot remember which trilogy is first. Guess thats a sign I can read them again. The trilogies can be found in two 20.00 books.
Movies ideas I would love to see in theaters:
Dragon Lance (the ones listed above)
Dark Elf trilogies (Drizzit pwns)
Several of the Harpers Series Books
Iron Man
Alpha Flight
Starcraft
X-men (pheonix saga)
X-men (brood invasion) |
Alpha Flight sux ass.... Pansy canadians ..
x-men (phonix saga) is what xmen 3 will be about ... I mean isn't that why they show the phoenix in the water at the end ?
I would like to see X-men : Age of Apocalypse
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Paco
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 07:17 Post subject:
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| Eduin wrote: | You people are so f*****g stupid it makes me sick.
A Dragonlance movie with anything like the budget to make it work will never be made because it is not popular enough to provide the necessary return at the box office. Now, don't get me wrong, a $100m Dragonlance movie might get the audiences in but the level of "might" is so large that the gamble just isn't worth taking.
Dungeons and Dragons had a budget of $35m and it looked *SHIT*. Utterly shit - no fantasy setting has ever looked sumptuous and expansive except LotR and that had a budget of $300 for the three films, which in normal terms is $200 to make the first one look as it should (then economies of scale make the second and third work). And that's really the benchmark - if you can't stake $200m on a fantasy epic, don't even try - it will look shite.
No-one is going to stake $100m let alone the $200m LotR required to make fantasy look acceptable. That's why Comic Book adaptations are in favour - they get the geek crowd and look good enough for the mainstream audience because the budget requirements are so much lower when you can use real world sets and backdrops. Without insane budgets you cannot get that in fantasy pictures.
I don't believe there is any set of novels out there with the necessary fan base to have a studio throw $100m at it, let alone the $200m that would make it *work well*.
You know, I'm trying *really* hard to think of any work out there that might get adapted with the necessary budget. I know His Dark Materials has been optioned and script work begun but that is going to be pretty marginal even on a $80m budget (I doubt they would stake higher and that's going to be the budget for *two* movies). You could probably get a Hobbit movie made off the back of LotR if Jackson gave his DP or 1st AD the chair but the rights for a Hobbit movie are not currently optionable.
Face it, fantasy just isn't mainstream enough or at least while it has a relatively large audience, it is far too fractional. There might be a chance of live action Discworld on the horizon but that will be crippled when Terry "Why does no-one give me the necessary budget" Gilliam falls over Good Omens.
Personally i'd love to see Chyna Meiville's Bas Lag novels made into movies or but it's never going to happen not when the budget requirement makes it such a large gamble.
There is nothing out there with the base readership required to justify the budget apart from Harry Potter and LotR, I'm sorry, genuinely, I would love to see high production values fantasy put out just like the comic book geeks are getting fed at the moment. But the reality is economic andit just isn't going to happen in anything but the very long term.
You know, it is now 2003 and we are *still* waiting for a Neuromancer movie, Sci Fi has the same drawback - Star Wars was an utter fluke, and it has never actually been repeated (in terms of how it came about, how well it looked and how well it sold) despite many attempts.
Regards,
Eduin |
Funny. Is it me....but I can't seem to recall a movie made in Scotland, by Scots, ever.
f**k off Ed. You suck at life.
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