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asdasdasd
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Mostly because of their parents. They were raised to believe in God. Most are even baptized when their a baby.
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asdasdasd
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(Please note i am not a Nazi, the observation is that with WWII, and countless wars in the past related to religion have reached millions dead.)
If God doesn't exist. How could he give revenge?
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Odus
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Posted: 06/24/08 - 10:48 Post subject:
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| asdasdasd wrote: | | If God doesn't exist. How could he give revenge? |
Because of the amount of crap raised over the jews killing jesus, its theorised that one of the many reasons that Hitler killed jews was because of this. But there are so many reasons why they did it so its not an accurate reason. If there was no religion, there would be no judaism, over 6 million people (not even including the undocumented deaths) would most likely have been killed. I cant even begin to estimate how many have been killed because of religion, it dates back well further than The Crusades and ranges from a person being stabbed to death to mass genocide for their religion.
Without religion the world would be completely different today, for better or worse i dont know.
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coinshopcollector
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Posted: 06/29/08 - 18:10 Post subject:
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There will never be solid proof. If you do believe in god that's your call, if you don't that your call too. tbh, i don't like talking about religion on anywhere because it usually resolves to a argument. No one can prove god existence.
I believe in god. There has to be something someone that made a cell to start lifes. Fact: there are over 3 million cells in one human body. But the question is can you prove that their isn't a god?
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Kalashnikov
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Posted: 06/30/08 - 07:55 Post subject:
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| coinshopcollector wrote: | odus
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There will never be solid proof. If you do believe in god that's your call, if you don't that your call too. tbh, i don't like talking about religion on anywhere because it usually resolves to a argument. No one can prove god existence.
I believe in god. There has to be something someone that made a cell to start lifes. Fact: there are over 3 million cells in one human body. But the question is can you prove that their isn't a god? |
Pretty much this. You can do the 'prove God exists, ha: I win' line pretty easily, but then it's easy to throw the 'prove God doesn't exist, ha: I win' as well. You're to tell me that the 'Big Bang' theory suddenly spawned life on our planet with the exact mixture of oxygen to support life, the correct make-up of cells in order to form the human body, life outside of the human race which supports the human race and every other living organism on this planet? I'm an engineer and all, but even I have a hard time believing humanity is a 1 in a trillion odds, you know: considering how badly we seem to be f*****g it all up to be THAT lucky.
I believe in God, but I agree that any kind of discussion will simply devolve into argument as no one can prove anything. I believe that organized religion is terrible, which is why I do not attend: but I still believe there to be a higher power and an afterlife as it gives people hope of a better life after this one. And if you don't got hope, what do you have?
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Angry Rabbit
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I've read it, definitely makes for an interesting read but most of what he says has been said many times before.
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Odus
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| coinshopcollector wrote: | odus
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There will never be solid proof. If you do believe in god that's your call, if you don't that your call too. tbh, i don't like talking about religion on anywhere because it usually resolves to a argument. No one can prove god existence.
I believe in god. There has to be something someone that made a cell to start lifes. Fact: there are over 3 million cells in one human body. But the question is can you prove that their isn't a god? |
Of course. Look at it this way, new strains of bacteria are created regularly when conditions are right and multiply into more sophisticated bacteria. The most logical outcome is when the conditions were right, organisms evolved (woops, don't say that in front of a christian, hissy fit incoming) into more complex structures and over time evolution took its course and here we are. Perhaps it was natural selection that gave us the edge and we now dominate this planet at the top of the food chain, maybe it was our ability to develop language, i don't know.
What i do know is that logic & solid evidence is alot more trustworthy than The Bible's story of talking snakes, the world created in 6 days, sea's parting, water turning to blood, frogs falling from the sky, scriptures sent by god telling people how to lead their life, Jesus resurrecting, the holy grail and so forth.
In my first paragraph i began to talk about why we are here - natural selection. Because of our higher intelligence (well, in most cases) than animals, maybe this is why religion exists. Humans fear death, and as a result the outcome may well be that people created this sort of escapism that when they die, their life will be a paradise. As likely as it is, this is not what i believe to be the source of religion.
The theory, or belief should i say that i see as the most logical outcome is as follows. Our society needs to be controlled in order to preserve its future. If there were no consequences for our actions, we would murder, steal, rape and basically act like savages. Granted this was the case back when lets say The Bible was "written" by an authority figure. The Bible & Christianity was then preached among the poor, giving them an ultimatum - live as you are told and you shall go to heaven, if not you will burn in hell. From there it snowballed among the peasant's, more followers joined, their children were raised as christians until we got to this point today. On the other hand, it could be as simple as a book written by someone which others read and then assumed it was the truth and spread the word.
This is a far more effective way of controlling a society through fear than by direct punishment, it would lower crime rates rather than spend more hours punishing those caught committing crimes. The sad reality is that people still need this to tell the difference between right and wrong and how they should live their life's. I am not a religious man, i came to my senses at a young age but i do not need a book to refer to on how to make choices in my life. I know the difference between right and wrong, its called common sense.
While i could flame religion all day on its contradictions and lack of evidence, i understand that people are going to believe in God no matter how much evidence that is thrown at them. I've never meant this seriously in the past, but i really do pity those who believe in religion. Living your life in fear and missing out on so much life has to offer must deep down be a horrible life to be leading, but you can't stop this lifestyle because it has been drilled into your head that this is the truth and believing anything else will end up with you burning in "hell" for all eternity.
The question i have to ask at the end of the day is how dumb do you need to be to believe in religion?
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