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Frostkiss
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| Confused wrote: | [1) You're neglecting the fact that he hated secular jews as much as religious jews so OBVIOUSLY to anyone with half a brain (i.e. not eurotrash) he was after the jewish race.
2) The invasion of Poland was a result of the way your people treated Germany after WW1 (way to go!).
3) Even though he targeted jews, he targeted all leftists. It was always political, not religious in nature.
4) get a clue. |
1) Define "jewish race"
2) How we treated Germany? The Versailles threaty? Are you serious with this BS?
3) You sir, are an IDIOT
4) Read it, and while you're at it, read up on Apartheid too, since you're so sure this was a "race" war only.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:09 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | I'm going to give this a stalemate because both have valid arguments seeing as Jewish is both a heritage and a religion.
But to say religion didn't have anything to do with it would be a huge misnomer.
You could also say the war between Ireland and England was a religious war, so I think Confused is just confused. Most wars use religion as a tool to drum up support even if they are about property or resources or influence or power or whatever.
Religion is the opiate of the masses and is exploited to manipulate the weaker minded who allow themselves to be used as such. |
I disagree with the Irish thing. Northern Ireland wanted independence from Britain. They're Catholic and the Catholic church discouraged the war. So really it was fought for other reasons. It might appear to be religious, but that's only because those fighting were of different religions. That's like saying everytime a black guy and a white guy get into a fight that it's race-based. |
Dude you will disagree all day instead of back peddle.
You made an incorrect or at the very least ambiguous statement. I know it. You know it. Just deal with it and get over the fact your not infallible.
No one is perfect so stop pretending. |
Wrong. I am perfect. The Catholic church is headquartered in Rome and Norther Ireland is strongly catholic. There may have been religious hatred, but the war was one of independence.
I will correct myself and say that the wars between india and pakistan were religiously-based. |
I'm so done with you. |
Can't you back up your erroneous claims? I guess not...since they're erroneous.
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:10 Post subject:
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I'll say it one last time then I suggest you all to go read.
Hitler was about to get in power, the main generals wanted him dead but could'nt kill him cause he already had too many supporter.
Then most leftist *thats the correct word* turned out as being Jews, Now I cant remember it but he also had another reason to hate them that has something to do with his life as a child. Then he was able to convince all those behind him that the Jews were not helping the country with their view..that they were a treat to Germany etc..etc... To make sure that those who were supporting him didn't had any doubt he then started showing differences between the Jews and the other people of Germany, like their way of living, religion, and everything you want. So since the country was all going to shit people all started beleiving in Hitler and bashed the Jews for this.
I wont use the word Religion but mostly a cultural difference and a divergence of opignon that was at the base for the hate of the Jews...rest like the religion was just another point to increase the hate.
I could miss a few key facts but Ive read enough books about this war when I was a teen that I do know that religion was not the main factor.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:13 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Confused wrote: | [1) You're neglecting the fact that he hated secular jews as much as religious jews so OBVIOUSLY to anyone with half a brain (i.e. not eurotrash) he was after the jewish race.
2) The invasion of Poland was a result of the way your people treated Germany after WW1 (way to go!).
3) Even though he targeted jews, he targeted all leftists. It was always political, not religious in nature.
4) get a clue. |
1) Define "jewish race"
2) How we treated Germany? The Versailles threaty? Are you serious with this BS?
3) You sir, are an IDIOT
4) Read it, and while you're at it, read up on Apartheid too, since you're so sure this was a "race" war only. |
Germany was highly contained after WW1. It's economy was left in ruin. Hitler came to power and actually built it into an economic powerhouse. Hence his popularity. It's nice how you eurotrash dug your own graves. No wonder you didn't want us invading Iraq. You like to keep countries under your feet.
Please enlighten me as to how Apartheid wasn't a race war. Did a Catholic get killed and that makes it a religious war? Idiot.
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Tura
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bring it on.
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Ikkan
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Hitler was first popularized from the speeches he would give at local taverns and other places, mostly worker's union-esque meetings. There he would make radical claims such as the fault of everything wrong with Germany was due to the Communists, Jews, etc. At first, people would merely laugh at him and not take him seriously, but after a while he began to get a following of some size.
A few years after he began he took a small troop of what he called "Storm Troopers" and tried to take control. He failed and was imprisoned. In prison he wrote Mein Kampf a highly anti-communist, anti-semetic book. This became a recruitment tool for the Nazis in later years.
But after Hitler was released, the majority of his speeches which gained him popularity were his anti-communist ones, the Jewish wars began after he had a substantial foothold in the German government.
Everyone with half a brain should know that he used the Jews as a scapegoat, there was no real holy war. In fact a holy war, in essense is composed of two religious groups fighting one another. Hitler and his army were in fact an Aethist group for the most part. Hitler had churches as well as synagogues burned down, because in the eyes of Hitler, God and Jesus were two beings who might hold a better control over the minds of the German people rather than himself. In fact in one speech by one of his top Generals, he said something to the extent of "How can you even compare God to Hitler? When looking at the two, it is a discredit to Hitler to even put him close to the low level of God."
Holy War? Nothx.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:20 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | Germany was highly contained after WW1. It's economy was left in ruin. Hitler came to power and actually built it into an economic powerhouse. Hence his popularity. It's nice how you eurotrash dug your own graves. No wonder you didn't want us invading Iraq. You like to keep countries under your feet.
Please enlighten me as to how Apartheid wasn't a race war. Did a Catholic get killed and that makes it a religious war? Idiot. |
Every country was highly contained after WWI, ALL of Europe was in ruins. What he built up, is war.
The position the Catholic church had in the "apartheid" was quite significant, read about it
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Luthar01
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:23 Post subject:
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Religeous war or not...damn good Soviet Union marched in and stopped that guy....
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Confused
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:24 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Confused wrote: | Germany was highly contained after WW1. It's economy was left in ruin. Hitler came to power and actually built it into an economic powerhouse. Hence his popularity. It's nice how you eurotrash dug your own graves. No wonder you didn't want us invading Iraq. You like to keep countries under your feet.
Please enlighten me as to how Apartheid wasn't a race war. Did a Catholic get killed and that makes it a religious war? Idiot. |
Every country was highly contained after WWI, ALL of Europe was in ruins. What he built up, is war.
The position the Catholic church had in the "apartheid" was quite significant, read about it |
Apartheid was not a war. The Catholic church has a significant position in just about everything. I guess I hit the nail on the head with that one! lol.
Yes, Hitler built up a nice little war machine. Why? Because you kept Germany down. His anti-semitism did not have much at all to do with him claiming or maintaining power. It came late in the game and he never started any war based on it. His wars were started based on his belief that Germany (not Christianity) should rule the west. Why would he invade Christian nations on a religous premise? Dumb b***h.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:25 Post subject:
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| Luthar01 wrote: | | Religeous war or not...damn good Soviet Union marched in and stopped that guy.... |
Well, technically Germany marched into the Soviet Union but whatever 
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:25 Post subject:
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| Ikkan wrote: | | Luthar01 wrote: | | Religeous war or not...damn good Soviet Union marched in and stopped that guy.... |
Well, technically Germany marched into the Soviet Union but whatever |
You beat me to that one. 
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:26 Post subject:
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Well if it was hard to understand let me refrase:
Damn good Soviet Union stopped that guy
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:26 Post subject:
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| Ikkan wrote: | | Holy War? Nothx. |
No one mentioned a Holy war. Religion was a huge factor in WWII is all I said. Hitler never made a secret of that.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:27 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Ikkan wrote: | | Luthar01 wrote: | | Religeous war or not...damn good Soviet Union marched in and stopped that guy.... |
Well, technically Germany marched into the Soviet Union but whatever |
You beat me to that one. |
aw
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:27 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Ikkan wrote: | | Holy War? Nothx. |
No one mentioned a Holy war. Religion was a huge factor in WWII is all I said. Hitler never made a secret of that. |
If it was religion, then why did Hitler pursue atheist jews???
Damn, you're stupid.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:28 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Ikkan wrote: | | Holy War? Nothx. |
No one mentioned a Holy war. Religion was a huge factor in WWII is all I said. Hitler never made a secret of that. |
But you're wrong, as has been stated multiple times.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:31 Post subject:
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| Quote: | "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 |
*cough*
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Confused
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:32 Post subject:
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| Luthar01 wrote: | Well if it was hard to understand let me refrase:
Damn good Soviet Union stopped that guy |
Interesting perspective. I thought it was the allied forces. I guess I just don't have a f****d up view of history.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:33 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Quote: | "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 |
*cough* |
Look at the date, April 1922. Do you know how much Hitler's views, or apparent views, had changed in 15 years? Do you know how exponentially worse he got in his radicalist views?
f*****g idiot.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
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| Quote: | The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) |
Idiot huh?
You want some more rope friend? I got tons.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Quote: | The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) |
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Hitler hated Jews??? No....
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:36 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Apartheid was not a war. |
hahahah
| Confused wrote: | | Yes, Hitler built up a nice little war machine. Why? Because you kept Germany down. |
Kept Germany down? How, please explain me
| Confused wrote: | | His anti-semitism did not have much at all to do with him claiming or maintaining power. It came late in the game and he never started any war based on it. His wars were started based on his belief that Germany (not Christianity) should rule the west. Why would he invade Christian nations on a religous premise? Dumb b***h. |
Late into the game? Himmler and Hitler started their series of death camps in '33. He was convinced the "arien" race should rule the west, and he started that by weeding out the "black stain" on Germany (as HE called it): The Jews!
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:37 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Quote: | The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) |
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Hitler hated Jews??? No.... |
I'm not talking to you brick wall boy.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:37 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Quote: | The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) |
Idiot huh?
You want some more rope friend? I got tons. |
You obviously suck at Scrabble. It's an 8 point word but say it with me: Propoganda.
Don't just read shit, think about what it actually means, and WHEN it was written, and for what purpose, d*****s.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:39 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Apartheid was not a war. |
hahahah
| Confused wrote: | | Yes, Hitler built up a nice little war machine. Why? Because you kept Germany down. |
Kept Germany down? How, please explain me
| Confused wrote: | | His anti-semitism did not have much at all to do with him claiming or maintaining power. It came late in the game and he never started any war based on it. His wars were started based on his belief that Germany (not Christianity) should rule the west. Why would he invade Christian nations on a religous premise? Dumb b***h. |
Late into the game? Himmler and Hitler started their series of death camps in '33. He was convinced the "arien" race should rule the west, and he started that by weeding out the "black stain" on Germany (as HE called it): The Jews! |
Explain to me how "Apartheid", which was NOT a was but the system of suppression installed after S. Africa was occupied was in any way religious. Explain your insane comments you stupid b***h!
And please look into what a "jew" is. It's not just a religion and was targeted by hitler as a race. Please. Look into it. I beg you.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:39 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Quote: | The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.
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I'm not talking to you brick wall boy. |
You're so easy to discredit.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:42 Post subject:
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Hahaahahahaha
faced with direct quotes, not once but twice, directly from the source and you call me a “d*****s”.
Wars are waged on the machine of propaganda. The seed of this argument was that religion didn't "incite" a war for centuries.
You are seriously becoming my favorite comedian.
You both need to start a political posting clown collage because you are both masters of making fools of yourself.
I enjoy the show, don't get me wrong. But if you think you were even close to winning this thread you are smoking some chronic dope.
My work is done here for brick wall number 2. 2 more of you guys and you make a nice house.
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You guys are still missing some points.
People will use religion to justify their own personal means. That does not mean the religion caused the war, and in fact, it was the people themselves that started the war for their own purposes.
These people will say, "I do this in the name of allah" but in reality, the reason they are doing this is selfish.
Just like Hitler in that speech Banzai just quoted, he used Christianity as a base to convince people that fighting eradicating the Jews was the right thing to do. Different time, same application, same effect. People would fight under the notion that it is ok to do so, because the enemy is doing something extremely foul, or because their religion wills it.
In truth, Islam the religion does not teach people to go out and kill people indiscriminately for the "greater purpose" or whatever it is these terrorists are saying they are trying to accomplish. That is why you don't have every f*****g arab-whoever who is islamic trying to blow up our country. You only have a small group of radicals that have nothing better to do than to fulfill their own saddistic purposes. You have a group of radicals who were convinced by some a*****e b*****d that if they kill enough Americans, they will get thousands of virgins in heaven.
I love how you guys poke the religion rather than looking at the people themselves.
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Posted: 05/26/04 - 18:45 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | Hahaahahahaha
faced with direct quotes, not once but twice, directly from the source and you call me a “d*****s”.
Wars are waged on the machine of propaganda. The seed of this argument was that religion didn't "incite" a war for centuries.
You are seriously becoming my favorite comedian.
You both need to start a political posting clown collage because you are both masters of making fools of yourself.
I enjoy the show, don't get me wrong. But if you think you were even close to winning this thread you are smoking some chronic dope.
My work is done here for brick wall number 2. 2 more of you guys and you make a nice house. |
Your quotes are 11 years off and I never said that he wasn't an anti-semite. I said that anti-semitism was not the primary reason he rose to power and WWII was not started based on anything religious. Besides that fact, he hated secular jews which meant that this wasn't even a religious issue to begin with. I'll address you when you actually argue the topic, not some tangent that we never disagreed on. Moron.
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Ikkan reminds me of that kid who always try to get into the gang by saying stupid things...and no matter how hard he tries he always end up head first the garbage.
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