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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 16:08    Post subject: Starbucks Economics Reply with quote

From - http://www.slate.com/id/2133754/?GT1=7641#ContinueArticle

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Here's a little secret that Starbucks doesn't want you to know: They will serve you a better, stronger cappuccino if you want one, and they will charge you less for it. Ask for it in any Starbucks and the barista will comply without batting an eye. The puzzle is to work out why.

The drink in question is the elusive "short cappuccino"—at 8 ounces, a third smaller than the smallest size on the official menu, the "tall," and dwarfed by what Starbucks calls the "customer-preferred" size, the "Venti," which weighs in at 20 ounces and more than 200 calories before you add the sugar.

The short cappuccino has the same amount of espresso as the 12-ounce tall, meaning a bolder coffee taste, and also a better one. The World Barista Championship rules, for example, define a traditional cappuccino as a "five- to six-ounce beverage." This is also the size of cappuccino served by many continental cafés. Within reason, the shorter the cappuccino, the better.

The problem with large cappuccinos is that it's impossible to make the fine-bubbled milk froth ("microfoam," in the lingo) in large quantities, no matter how skilled the barista. A 20-ounce cappuccino is an oxymoron. Having sampled the short cappuccino in a number of Starbucks across the world, I can confirm that it is a better drink than the buckets of warm milk—topped with a veneer of froth—that the coffee chain advertises on its menus.

This secret cappuccino is cheaper, too—at my local Starbucks, $2.35 instead of $2.65. But why does this cheaper, better drink—along with its sisters, the short latte and the short coffee—languish unadvertised? The official line from Starbucks is that there is no room on the menu board, although this doesn't explain why the short cappuccino is also unmentioned on the comprehensive Starbucks Web site, nor why the baristas will serve you in a whisper rather than the usual practice of singing your order to the heavens.

Economics has the answer: This is the Starbucks way of sidestepping a painful dilemma over how high to set prices. Price too low and the margins disappear; too high and the customers do. Any business that is able to charge one price to price-sensitive customers and a higher price to the rest will avoid some of that awkward trade-off.

It's not hard to identify the price-blind customers in Starbucks. They're the ones buying enough latte to bathe Cleopatra. The major costs of staff time, space in the queue, and packaging are similar for any size of drink. So, larger drinks carry a substantially higher markup, according to Brian McManus, an assistant professor at the Olin School of Business who has studied the coffee market.

The difficulty is that if some of your products are cheap, you may lose money from customers who would willingly have paid more. So, businesses try to discourage their more lavish customers from trading down by making their cheap products look or sound unattractive, or, in the case of Starbucks, making the cheap product invisible. The British supermarket Tesco has a "value" line of products with infamously ugly packaging, not because good designers are unavailable but because the supermarket wants to scare away customers who would willingly spend more. "The bottom end of any market tends to get distorted," says McManus. "The more market power firms have, the less attractive they make the cheaper products."

That observation is important. A firm in a perfectly competitive market would suffer if it sabotaged its cheapest products because rivals would jump at the opportunity to steal alienated customers. Starbucks, with its coffee supremacy, can afford this kind of price discrimination, thanks to loyal, or just plain lazy, customers.

The practice is hundreds of years old. The French economist Emile Dupuit wrote about the early days of the railways, when third-class carriages were built without roofs, even though roofs were cheap: "What the company is trying to do is prevent the passengers who can pay the second-class fare from traveling third class; it hits the poor, not because it wants to hurt them, but to frighten the rich."

The modern equivalent is the airport departure lounge. Airports could create nicer spaces, but that would frustrate the ability of airlines to charge substantial premiums for club-class departure lounges.

Starbucks' gambit is much simpler and more audacious: Offer the cheaper product but make sure that it is available only to those customers who face the uncertainty and embarrassment of having to request it specifically. Fortunately, the tactic is easily circumvented: If you'd like a better coffee for less, just ask.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 16:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starbucks is OK, but there's something not quite right about them. I was thinking about the difference between them and a good chain of coffee stores around here called Coffee Connection that got bought out by Starbucks a few years ago and is largely forgotten now. I decided that the old chain loved coffee, while Starbucks loves selling coffee.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

We in a small defense it's hard for a big chain to beat a small local shop, with a big chain everything has to be the same each time each customer.

A local shop can add or take away per sale per customer.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 16:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this like going to taco bell or any place that has shredded cheese and ordering extra cheese on the side instead of on the item, you get 2-10x as much cheese for the same price
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 16:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plat4PoP wrote:
Is this like going to taco bell or any place that has shredded cheese and ordering extra cheese on the side instead of on the item, you get 2-10x as much cheese for the same price


I do remember when the "As for no ice" thing hit the major news outlets. People began ording drinks with no ice. You see the soad was cold anyway and when they did a test it was something like if you got a 20 ounce soda with all the ice the put in you get like 6 to 8 ounces of liquid.

People began asking for no ice or ice on the side, then the companies battled back by not cooling the soad or making it barley cool. Then charging for cups or for ice or for both.

Then it died down and now only some people ask for no ice or ice on the side. There are always little tricks like that.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 17:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have made me crave Starbucks now. Thanks a lot Sad.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 19:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starbucks sucks because the people who are making your espresso open the steamer for too long and it creates a slight 'burnt' flavor.

There is a skill to making stellar coffee beverages, and it is not learned in a 5 minute 'here let me show you how to make a frappadingdong' class.

Also, you will never find a mass roasted bean that is as good as small batch hand selected roasts. Their shit is better than Folgers, but not by much.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 19:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love coffee and dislike the people who listen to Dave Matthews. I also greatly dislike people who take their $3000 laptops into Starbucks so they can use Notepad to write, "The Night is Dark, A Rebuttal"
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sulawesi is the shit
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reebo wrote:
Plat4PoP wrote:
Is this like going to taco bell or any place that has shredded cheese and ordering extra cheese on the side instead of on the item, you get 2-10x as much cheese for the same price


I do remember when the "As for no ice" thing hit the major news outlets. People began ording drinks with no ice. You see the soad was cold anyway and when they did a test it was something like if you got a 20 ounce soda with all the ice the put in you get like 6 to 8 ounces of liquid.

People began asking for no ice or ice on the side, then the companies battled back by not cooling the soad or making it barley cool. Then charging for cups or for ice or for both.

Then it died down and now only some people ask for no ice or ice on the side. There are always little tricks like that.


At Taco Bell I always order a water, and then go over to the self serve thing, and get mountain dew, lemonade, pepsi, whateve rI am wanting at the moment. Am I a bad person? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 20:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ishmael wrote:
Reebo wrote:
Plat4PoP wrote:
Is this like going to taco bell or any place that has shredded cheese and ordering extra cheese on the side instead of on the item, you get 2-10x as much cheese for the same price


I do remember when the "As for no ice" thing hit the major news outlets. People began ording drinks with no ice. You see the soad was cold anyway and when they did a test it was something like if you got a 20 ounce soda with all the ice the put in you get like 6 to 8 ounces of liquid.

People began asking for no ice or ice on the side, then the companies battled back by not cooling the soad or making it barley cool. Then charging for cups or for ice or for both.

Then it died down and now only some people ask for no ice or ice on the side. There are always little tricks like that.


At Taco Bell I always order a water, and then go over to the self serve thing, and get mountain dew, lemonade, pepsi, whateve rI am wanting at the moment. Am I a bad person? Crying or Very sad


Yes but not because of that.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 20:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reebo wrote:
Ishmael wrote:
Reebo wrote:
Plat4PoP wrote:
Is this like going to taco bell or any place that has shredded cheese and ordering extra cheese on the side instead of on the item, you get 2-10x as much cheese for the same price


I do remember when the "As for no ice" thing hit the major news outlets. People began ording drinks with no ice. You see the soad was cold anyway and when they did a test it was something like if you got a 20 ounce soda with all the ice the put in you get like 6 to 8 ounces of liquid.

People began asking for no ice or ice on the side, then the companies battled back by not cooling the soad or making it barley cool. Then charging for cups or for ice or for both.

Then it died down and now only some people ask for no ice or ice on the side. There are always little tricks like that.


At Taco Bell I always order a water, and then go over to the self serve thing, and get mountain dew, lemonade, pepsi, whateve rI am wanting at the moment. Am I a bad person? Crying or Very sad


Yes but not because of that.


Really? What else have I done? Question Question
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good buddy of mine owns a coffee shop. His shit is way better then Starbucks.

I like Starbucks and will get it when I am not near his place, but if I have a choice I go there. Not because he is my buddy, but because his shit is just better.

I am not one of those people who will be loyal to a friend if their shit sucks. I have, on many occasions, went with services and products from elsewhere even if I have a good friend in that business. I am all about quality. If something is better then it is just better.

Small coffee shops are win most of the time.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starbucks is good, but does frequently taste burned. The coffee shops in Borders Books are tops, though.
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PostPosted: 01/13/06 - 23:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some kona or whatever you like, learn how to use this thing and you can make better coffee that the shops 90% of the time.

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PostPosted: 01/14/06 - 00:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate Starbucks. I prefer 7-11!
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PostPosted: 01/14/06 - 12:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

motherface wrote:
I hate Starbucks. I prefer 7-11!


Woot Slurpees!

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