Star Wars (possible spoilers)

Metzger wrote:

But instead they show this kid in the darth vader suit, and hes obviously much shorter than the original guy in episode 4.

do you always b***h about things you didnt pay attention too?

yea haden may be shorter than david prowse... but the costume at the end of the movie was the same f*****g size... i mean after all the special effects you had seen so far you dont think lucas had a pair of platforms or a camera trick for our young vader to make him an accurate f*****g hieght?

shit bag

a few years ago, right about the time of episode 1 still in production, maybe it was around the time that the new trilogy updates were being done, David Prowse was doing signings in one of the malls we had a store in. He had mentioned that he had just filmed a scene again that he believed was going to be at the end of episode 2 (which episode 1 was still all in speculation), in which he was in the Vader outfit. His scene was to walk forward and cross his arms. That was it. Sounds like that's what they used at the end of episode 3. (I havent seen it yet)

imdb says its actually Hayden Christensen in the Vader suit at the end and because he was 4" shorter than the original Vader, they used camera tricks to make him the exact same height to match up with the original films. So what exactly are you guys debating here? =P

Omol wrote:

Oggabish wrote: So it's ok with the great and all-powerful Light side to leave your "brother", your best student, the one you love and respect, to die a horrible death, burning alive, reaching out for your help...... after you've cut off his legs and an arm. If it was anyone, it was Obi-Wan who betrayed the Light side. I would have pushed his a*s in the lava if it was me.

If it were you, you'd have done nothing of the sort. You'd have looked around in confusion and said, "wtf where the hell am I? Is this Skyfire??"

Nahualli wrote:

Silvermouse wrote: Nahualli wrote: Silvermouse wrote: Nahualli wrote: In any case it doesn't matter.. Hayden Christenses is still ridiculously hot. -Nah- There's a kid at work that looks exactly like Anakin, but shorter! Anyway, he's 16, so stay away... Also, Anakin killed the younglings, and that makes him a bad person. He can't blame anyone except his own weakness. That's pretty much exactly what I was saying at the beginning of this thread, where Oggabish says Obi-Wan is a b***h for letting Anakin suffer and die. I don't see where that fits in here at all. Anakin got his just desserts. -Nah- Anakin was weak, but we feel sorry for him...and Yoda proved that the Light side of the force was just as powerful as the dark. Question: What the hell is Yoda, anyway? Is he like 800 years old? Is there a race of Yodas running around? He's a Whill. Very little is known about them, but there have been other Whill Jedis. The Whills are extremely force-sensitive and it was they who discovered the method of keeping one's corporeal shape after death, which is why he appears to Luke after he died. He teaches Obi-Wan this secret which is why Obi-Wan appears to Luke after his death as well. -Nah-

Im sorry but your wrong on every count here. He is not a Whill, he is unkown, there are no others like him, so there are no other jedi of his race. They did not discover how to stay alive after death, Qui-gon did. They mention that last fact right at the end of 3.


As for the rest. Obi Won not saving anakin was a verry jedi thing to do. The jedi were too good. Yoda was exactly like the emperor except he didn't use the dark side. The jedi lied and toyed with just as many peoples lives. Anakin had to destory the jedi to bring balance to the force, they were too good.

1) Lightsabre weight: They were not described as being particularly heavy. The physics of the lightsabre creates a gyroscopic effect, and if you have ever played with a gyroscope, they resist motion in certain ways. Thus originally all of the lightsabre fighting was very much slash slash in rounded, fluid motions, and the reason only Jedi used them was without the force you could not be fast enough with it, for the most part.

I dont recall which book(s) this information was given in, I have read a f**k ton of Star Wars books.

The laser portion of the weapon is focused thru a particular kind of gemstone, and in order to set this gemstone at the precise angle or whatever, you had to use the force. This is why a Jedi making their own lightsabre was a big deal...it was a test...if you f****d up it could blow up in your hands when you flicked the switch.

2) They had Hayden in platform shoes, he mentioned this in an interview, so he WAS actually about the same height once in the Vader costume. Way to pay attention.

3) One could hold Obi Wan responsible for NOT killing Vader (because at that point he was way, way evil) when he had the chance, and certainly in SW4, he could have defeated Vader aboard the Death Star. There are many reasons over a couple books which touch on why Obi Wan chose to die and leave Vader for Luke...part of which had to do with securing Luke's resolve to fight the empire and 'learn the ways of the force and become a jedi...LIKE MY FATHER...' which of course is exactly what Obi Wan was afraid of...

There were other Sith existing in other parts of the universe, and other force sensitives who had power but were untrained, which also are touched on in several books.

The biggest gripe I have about the entire series is never seeing Grand Admiral Thrawn in action.

If Thrawn was in charge instead of Vader, the rebellion would have had its a*s handed to it, Luke or no Luke.

Good movie, but I have some complaints. I thought the action sequences were just too busy. I couldn't wait for the Obi-Wan vs. Grievous fight to be over, it was giving me a headache.

I thought Grievous was a dumb character, they killed Dooku far too quickly and introduced the General to sell more toys, obviously. I also have no idea how Darth Maul fits into the story anymore. Why did Palpatine replace him with the ancient Dooku after he died? Or was Dooku always around? Blah, Maul was another sell-more-toys character.

Also, Leia stated she remembered her real mother ('she was a sad woman'), but she died when she was very young. Well Leia has a sharp memory, 'cause she wasn't more than a minute old when Padme kicked!

On Yoda being the only one of his kind, I give you Yaddle:

Yaddle & Yaddle Again

She was breifly shown on the council in ep1 or 2.

My take on the whole "balance in the force" issue is that the Dark Side is akin to a cancer in the force, born out of the innate good and just of the Light Side by Jedis not being satisfied and wanting more. Balance = restoration in order = eliminating the Dark Side.

Anakin did fulfill the prophecy, he stopped the Emperor. If Obi-Wan had killed him or if Anakin never existed, who would have been able to stop the Emperor?

ONG! saph sighting! /tackle hugs

Hiyas Tam

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George Lucas has intentionally kept Yoda's race a secret. Yoda and Yaddle are sometimes referred to as Whills, but this species designation has not been pronounced canonical. In fact, very little is known of Yoda's life before the events of Episode I. It is known that he was one of the Jedi Masters who ran the mobile academy aboard the starship Chu'unthor, and that he left the ship's data tapes in the care of one of the natives when the ship crashed on Dathomir.

Akronn wrote:

Also, Leia stated she remembered her real mother ('she was a sad woman'), but she died when she was very young. Well Leia has a sharp memory, 'cause she wasn't more than a minute old when Padme kicked!

Are you sure she wasn't confused into thinking that Mrs. Organna was her real mother?

Wasn't Admiral Thrawn briefly shown in Clones (although not named)? Im sure I saw a blue skinned commander in one of the prequels. Wedge was in Ep 3, yay!

If the prophecy means eliminating the Sith then Anakin does fulfil the prophecy, it just takes another 20 odd years. If it means balancing the sides, that happens due to him too - you end up with one Master and Apprentice on either side - Yoda and Luke vs Palp and Vader.

BTW, the theory that Playgus is Vader's pop is interesting. I'm pretty certain it's Palp that kills Playgus too given the smirk on Ian McDiarmid's face.

Also, after becoming a cyborg does Vader become less powerful in the force - no longer a direct threat for the Emporer (like in Shadowrun when you cyber up a mage and he loses dice in magic skillz). That could also be part of Palp's plotting.

All in all the three prequels work well together, I was one of the few who quite liked Ep 1. The Phantom Menace being the Emporer all along, finally coming to power in 2 and 3. It was a decent arc for three films with good individual stories and well watchable action (although perhaps the sabre fights are a bit against continuity as they are more complex than anything you see in Ep 4 to 6).

Good also to see the technology bridge, Organa's snub Blockade Runner, the Star Destroyers with a bit clipped out capital ships, the Jedi's driving proto-Tie fighters was ace.

Regards,
Eduin

They had a yoda type char in KOTOR whch of course wasnt made by lucas but was sabctioned by thm and they knew full well the cast of characters im sure.

Silvermouse wrote:

Akronn wrote: Also, Leia stated she remembered her real mother ('she was a sad woman'), but she died when she was very young. Well Leia has a sharp memory, 'cause she wasn't more than a minute old when Padme kicked! Are you sure she wasn't confused into thinking that Mrs. Organna was her real mother?

I'm sure if you asked George Lucas, his answer would be "It was the Force!" Anything that can't be explained in common terms or would seem to be a plot hole or could only be justified by claiming deus ex machina is "the Force."

Also, did anyone else crack up during Vader's angry dance after he was in the suit and found out that Padme was dead? It was basically him standing with his arms in an awkward position and bending at the waist while yelling "NOOOOOOOOOO" really melodramatically.

Who noticed "the scream?" That one sound effect that they put in like eighty million movies. It was during the opening star battle; right after one of the mounted guns gets blown up you can distinctly hear the "Aaaaaaaooowwww!"

One last thing, the word "ironic" was used once in the movie. But what it described was not irony. Palpatine says that it's ironic that Lord Plagueis has the power to keep others from dying, but can not save himself. Why would this be a variation from the expected truth? If we expect him to save others there's no irony in the fact that he can not save himself; it was never assumed that he could. Is it ironic that with all the instances of irony existing in the Star Wars series, incompetant script-writing points out something that isn't?

Devook wrote:

I'm sure if you asked George Lucas, his answer would be "It was the Force!" Anything that can't be explained in common terms or would seem to be a plot hole or could only be justified by claiming deus ex machina is "the Force."

Pregnancy empathy is thought to exist *without* the force. Remembering a mother who was sad during pregnancy as being sad even if they died in childbirth is not considered beyond the scope of probability *without* the Force.

But sure, Leia is Force sensitive, so why quibble.

Regards,
Eduin

Well, just to set a couple of things straight here... this sort of self-created mythology surrounding the SW universe is the same thing that surrounds LOTR mythology, or hell, ANY mythology. There are different versions of everything. It's been written and re-written so many times that there are 5 explanations for everything in the story.

In the script that appeared for Ep III many months ago, it was said that Yoda went seeking the Journal of the Whills which contained the secret to preserving one's form after death. While he's looking for this journal, he is ambushed by Palpatine who was waiting for him to come back to the Jedi Temple. In the movie things happen differently and it's Yoda who goes to the Senate seeking Palps out.

As for his race, in the SW databank, there are several records of the entire race of Whills, so as for which one is "true", well only Lucas would know for sure since he invented them all. Granted neither the script that came out nor the SW Databank are "official", but for not being official they certainly seem to hit damn close to the mark on most counts.

In the movie it's revealed that it was Qui-Gon who learned the secret of keeping one's form after death and he passed it on to Yoda. Why? I don't know.. honestly it doesn't make very much sense. Qui-Gon was a powerful Jedi but I can't really imagine what he could know that Yoda wouldn't, but oh well. Yoda is hundreds of times older than he is and infinitely wiser and more powerful in the Force, arguably one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

Also in that script was a better explanation of why Leia remembers her mother. In that telling, Leia is born first and is held by Padme who looks into her eyes for a long while and then dies. This is why Leia remembers her mother as being "very beautiful but very sad", while Luke has no memories of his mother at all.

The movie is kind of bleh about the whole event, it was a bit rushed, especially considering it's brought up later in the series, it would have been nice to place a touch more focus on that one event.

-Nah-

Bait Masterson wrote:

They had a yoda type char in KOTOR whch of course wasnt made by lucas but was sabctioned by thm and they knew full well the cast of characters im sure.

I could be wrong on this but I believe Lucas Arts created the storyline for both KOTOR 1 and 2 which would make it 'official.'

If that is true, Palpatine would be the most successful Sith lord but not anywhere close to the most powerful. It would move Yoda, Luke, and Anakin a bit further down the list of powerful Jedi as well...

Devook wrote:

Who noticed "the scream?" That one sound effect that they put in like eighty million movies. It was during the opening star battle; right after one of the mounted guns gets blown up you can distinctly hear the "Aaaaaaaooowwww!"

hahaha, I pointed that out to my buddy. That scream has become a tradition for sound guys.