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Toomuchtimeonhands
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 Posted: 06/03/03 - 08:09 Post subject: Stanley Cup Playoffs - Anaheim and New Jersey
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What f*****g great hockey.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 08:19 Post subject:
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I haven't wasted my time, everyone I know said the series blows.
Doesn't much matter to me, I couldn't care less who won.
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compusmack
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 08:34 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | I haven't wasted my time, everyone I know said the series blows.
Doesn't much matter to me, I couldn't care less who won. |
same here.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 08:59 Post subject:
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Btw, most people feel as I do too. Stanley Cup finals ratings in Canada are down %36 to only 1.29 million viewers (!) and US ratings are down nearly %50.
That's awful, if hockey were a regular television series it would be cancelled. Way to impress the networks heading into the last year of your contract!
That's ok, though. Real hockey returns in 4 months!
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Goraz
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 09:05 Post subject:
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are you kidding me, that game last night was pwnage. 30 seconds into First OT and anaheim scores. But the ducks are coming back, Gigure is insane with his saves and you got Sykora with incredible offense. Devils do have more playoff experience so its going to be a close game on Wed
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Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 09:29 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Btw, most people feel as I do too. Stanley Cup finals ratings in Canada are down %36 to only 1.29 million viewers (!) and US ratings are down nearly %50.
That's awful, if hockey were a regular television series it would be cancelled. Way to impress the networks heading into the last year of your contract!
That's ok, though. Real hockey returns in 4 months! |
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Akronn it is people who feel the way YOU do who don't give it a shot is WHY the viewers are down, the hockey has been great - especially the last 2 games.
If you cared about hockey and where it may or may not go you would watch it for the sport and not just because YOUR team isn't there
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Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 09:31 Post subject:
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| Goraz wrote: | | are you kidding me, that game last night was pwnage. 30 seconds into First OT and anaheim scores. But the ducks are coming back, Gigure is insane with his saves and you got Sykora with incredible offense. Devils do have more playoff experience so its going to be a close game on Wed |
Was awesome hockey and then some, some of the best hockey in the playoffs period this year
Game is Thursday in Jersey
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 09:54 Post subject:
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I watched the first game and it literally put me to sleep. The parts that I saw of the second were no better.
It's no surprise the first team that scores has won every game so far. These teams just completely lock down once they have a lead, any lead. Doesn't the fact that Brodeur faced 32 shots total in the first two games clue you in just a little?
And one goal in overtime hardly redeems an entire game. There were 51 shots total last night, so it's not like the goalies were tested all game and came up big constantly to keep it close.
You like it because the media calls these two teams 'underdogs' (NJ? underdog? that's a laugh) and think it's benefical for the league to 'spread the wealth' a little. Well it can be, but only if the product is interesting. All this does is turn more people away.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 10:18 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | I watched the first game and it literally put me to sleep. The parts that I saw of the second were no better.
It's no surprise the first team that scores has won every game so far. These teams just completely lock down once they have a lead, any lead. Doesn't the fact that Brodeur faced 32 shots total in the first two games clue you in just a little?
And one goal in overtime hardly redeems an entire game. There were 51 shots total last night, so it's not like the goalies were tested all game and came up big constantly to keep it close.
You like it because the media calls these two teams 'underdogs' (NJ? underdog? that's a laugh) and think it's benefical for the league to 'spread the wealth' a little. Well it can be, but only if the product is interesting. All this does is turn more people away. |
WTF are you talking about - 51 shots in a game isn't too bad at all, hell the overtime ended like 39 seconds into it so hardly cound that as a period at all. I never called Jersey and underdog at all, they had the easiest ride to the finals, nor have I heard any media comment on them as being an underdog.
Guy you need to open your eyes a little wider then well there was only 1 goal so the game sucked ass. Anaheim was very flat the first two games and hell they had almost 2 weeks off
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compusmack
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 11:56 Post subject:
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This kind of hockey is about as interesting as WNBA basketball. Watching underhanded layups at the net every time they get into paint gets pretty boring pretty fast.
People want excitement, and good offense means good excitement.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 12:20 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | This kind of hockey is about as interesting as WNBA basketball. Watching underhanded layups at the net every time they get into paint gets pretty boring pretty fast.
People want excitement, and good offense means good excitement. |
I hardly see how you honestly feel that way, exciting isn't seeing 10 goals a game, if you like a lot of points per team go watch Baseball or basketball.
If you are someone who enjoys that really you are watching the wrong sport. Last night's game was beyond exciting, what difference does it really make if the game was won 5-4 or 1-0 with the same result.
The crowd was insane last night at every chance and such that too me is MUCH more enjoyable and on the edge of your seat then winning blowout games like 5-1 or whatever in playoff hockey - these two teams should have VERY tight games. f**k it is the finals and they have great goaltending. How can you expect ANY teams in the finals or for that matter even want there too be high scoring games!?
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 12:23 Post subject:
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Playing the "trap" style defense is and always will be the most BORING form of hockey. I'm a die hard hockey fan and I can say that watching Anaheim and NJ play is like watching 2 geriatric men with alzheimers playing golf. Noone is watching or enjoying the series as much as past Cup Finals because who likes to watch 20 minute periods with 5 shots on goal and endless dump and chase tactics to try to negate the "trap." The best offense is a good defense can be said, but as true as that statement may be, it doesnt change the fact that the games are putting people to sleep. Whoopty doo, the game went to OT for the 5 thousandth time. They should've implemented the shootout in OT like they were trying in the pre season. Atleast then you're guaranteed some entertainment after watching 60 minutes of no forechecking, no offensive flow, and the continual dump and chase scenario played over and over.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 12:56 Post subject:
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| Vio wrote: | | I hardly see how you honestly feel that way, exciting isn't seeing 10 goals a game, if you like a lot of points per team go watch Baseball or basketball. |
There's the slippery slope again. More offense doesn't necessarily equate to 10 goals a game. Hell, I'd be happy with seven. This past year the average was 5.2.
| Vio wrote: | | If you are someone who enjoys that really you are watching the wrong sport. Last night's game was beyond exciting, what difference does it really make if the game was won 5-4 or 1-0 with the same result. |
Odd, the hockey I grew up with was exciting enough. If YOU want 1-0 games, perhaps YOU'RE watching the wrong sport. Stick to soccer, please. The average 5-4 game is much more exciting than 1-0. There's alot more flow and typically alot of back-and-forth jockeying.
| Vio wrote: | | How can you expect ANY teams in the finals or for that matter even want there too be high scoring games!? |
Teams with talent prefer to play higher scoring games. What a concept, players that are able to score want to. However, Anaheim in particular is chock-full of bush leaguers a step away from the UHL that can't allow that. What a surprise they're not interesting to watch, not by a longshot.
You're a big soccer fan and quite biased to the style of play here.... but please recognize that you're well in the minority. The numbers speak for themselves. More people watch Enterprise on UPN than NHL playoff hockey, 2003 style.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:18 Post subject:
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I am a bigger hockey fan then soccer but I disagree with some of your comments, for one not everyone prefers a 5-4 score over a 1-0 score, not even close. Maybe you American's do. That is all anyone was talking about this morning around here at work how great of a game it was.
As far as the numbers speaking for themself the biggest reason for that is the markets NOT watching the game, the BIG hockey markets are out of the playoffs therefore the numbers drop drastically - that doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out. General public doesn't care to watch it because of WHO is in the finals without giving it a chance and thatg is why I disagree.
The flow of the past two games were great, so there wasn't 80 shots on net, there sure as hell were a lot of chances but a lot of them were missed, hell Anaheim alone last night hit 3 posts alone.
There is a lot more to the game then goals and shots on net, the missed chances also put the excitement factor into the game. We can argue forever that you like more goals and I like less but regardless you are missing some very crucial reasons too why the viewing is down.
Saying that neither team Anaheim or Jersey have talent is way out in left field as well, just because they don't stack their team with goal scorers such as Detroit who MORE then had the shots on net and couldn't finish and it looks damn good on them too they aren't there.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:27 Post subject:
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Its an intense series, both teams are so evenly matched. I love to watch close games, especially low scoring ones like last night. Its a shame the Ducks are so good in OT, think last nights win makes them 10-0 in playoff OT games?
But now, time to brag..I got tickets for Thursdays game, Go Me!
to bad they lost, or they could have clinched at home 
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:28 Post subject:
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Sounds like Akronn is feeling like I do about hockey. Maybe I've never seen exciting hockey, and that's my problem?
What makes for exciting hockey?
Not being antagonist, in case it comes off that way.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:30 Post subject:
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Well, if we Americans are the only ones that prefer more scoring... then why are CBC's ratings down by nearly 40%?
It's not like Canada had a large stake in the Carolina/Detroit series either. Maybe because it was more exciting last year? I'm sorry, but Detroit's absence alone isn't going to hurt the ratings that much lol!
Oh well.... I enjoy watching sports for the athleticism. If I want a chess match, I'll log onto Yahoo games.
Like I said, I gave the series a chance and those two teams just aren't dynamic enough. NJ never was, and I'm really ashamed of what's happened out there in Anaheim. It's just.... boring.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:33 Post subject:
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I don't disagree with some of the comments but I don't think the answer to all the hockey problems is lets make the nets bigger and such.
Basically more and more teams are going to go towards this trap setup because it works. However they should take out the red line too open things up a bit, but still not a solution too what you want in the game
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:40 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Well, if we Americans are the only ones that prefer more scoring... then why are CBC's ratings down by nearly 40%?
It's not like Canada had a large stake in the Carolina/Detroit series either. Maybe because it was more exciting last year? I'm sorry, but Detroit's absence alone isn't going to hurt the ratings that much lol!
Oh well.... I enjoy watching sports for the athleticism. If I want a chess match, I'll log onto Yahoo games.
Like I said, I gave the series a chance and those two teams just aren't dynamic enough. NJ never was, and I'm really ashamed of what's happened out there in Anaheim. It's just.... boring. |
Easy answer to CBC being down and the same answer applies, Detroit is and has a huge following in Canada. Is it solely the reason for viewrs being down - no but you think that because there isn't 7 goals a game it is!?!? f**k hardly. If any Canadian team were in the finals that % would be nowhere even close too that, if it were Toronto or Montreal in the finals it would be much higher then last years or any previous for that matter - again you need too look at markets you are speaking about
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:44 Post subject:
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I don't want the net bigger either, and I don't want the NHL to adopt Olympic size ice.
I want:
A.) Smaller goalie equipment
B.) Elimination of the 'sacred cow' rule (read: if the goalie wants to leave his crease to play/cover up the puck, he's fair game like everyone else)
C.) Refs to enforce the obstruction rules for more than the season's opening weekend.
D.) Ignore the red line for 2-line passes
E.) Players assessed a 2 minute penalty will serve the full 2 minutes, powerplay goals will not end the penalty.
Oh and Vio... there isn't much of a market size difference between Carolina/Detroit and Anaheim/NJ. The two teams playing now aren't exactly in the back 40.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:51 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | I don't want the net bigger either, and I don't want the NHL to adopt Olympic size ice either.
I want:
A.) Smaller goalie equipment
B.) Elimination of the 'sacred cow' rule (read: if the goalie wants to leave his crease to play/cover up the puck, he's fair game like everyone else)
C.) Refs to enforce the obstruction rules for more than the season's opening weekend.
D.) Ignore the red line for 2-line passes
E.) Players assessed a 2 minute penalty will serve the full 2 minutes, powerplay goals will not end the penalty. |
Smaller goalie equipment is coming and next year - this has already been stated months ago there will be sizes announced the goaltender has too abide by.
I disagree on the fair game on the goalie thing, simply for many reasons, a goaltender can't move as easy/fast as a player, a goalie is generally out of the net to come out and play the puck too safety therefore getting rocked by an oncoming player lining him up does nothing. Yes some contact should be ok but very minimal.
Obstruction rules maybe a bit more strict but both teams do it on the ice just as much as another, so this for the most part is a wash in the end, hence you prefer more powerplays for more goals - understood
Redline I agree needs too go.
I disagree on the powerplay 2 minute rule, the penalty is simply to give the other team the advantage man wise for the infraction, if a team scores on said powerplay they have been rewarded enough, 5 minute powerplay already has the rule to the full five minutes and that is enough, maybe also include that rule for 4 minute penalties but not on a regular basis. There is enough b******t calls that should never have been called for a team too be scoring say 2-3 goals in 2 minutes is nuts
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 13:54 Post subject:
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Well, in my mind that's the only way you're gonna get the knuckleheads to stop the obstruction. They'll always trade 2 minutes for that possible scoring chance it seems.
In all honesty, you don't see many multiple goal 5-minute powerplays.
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 14:00 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | I don't want the net bigger either, and I don't want the NHL to adopt Olympic size ice.
I want:
A.) Smaller goalie equipment
B.) Elimination of the 'sacred cow' rule (read: if the goalie wants to leave his crease to play/cover up the puck, he's fair game like everyone else)
C.) Refs to enforce the obstruction rules for more than the season's opening weekend.
D.) Ignore the red line for 2-line passes
E.) Players assessed a 2 minute penalty will serve the full 2 minutes, powerplay goals will not end the penalty.
Oh and Vio... there isn't much of a market size difference between Carolina/Detroit and Anaheim/NJ. The two teams playing now aren't exactly in the back 40. |
C & D should be implemented.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/03/03 - 19:25 Post subject:
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Here's something to consider: Adam Oates, a sure hall-of-famer and one of the few quality players on the Ducks, played for 4 years on the Red Wings' 3rd line before getting traded to St. Louis. The 3rd line! And the Wings weren't even that good!
I feel bad for younger hockey fans today that have no memory of the league 10-20 years ago. It was glorious.... guys like Adam Oates, making plays on the 3rd line. You just don't see that anymore. Our heroes like Messier, Mario, Yzerman, Hull, MacInnis, etc. are all getting old, and sadly, not being replaced. Instead, we're left cheering Patrick Elias, Scott Gomez, and Steve Rucchin. And that is why nobody is watching.
You maintain it's the Wings that draw people... but ask yourself why. Everybody wants to see those guys play, they're fast, they're skilled, they're exciting. Every team can have that, you know, the NHL can still get people interested again...
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